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Ok guys I am fully reconciled with this city, even though it is still ugly, but I had a great 24 hours. I spent Saturday morning visiting the Porto Alegre cathedral, the market (nothing to buy, but it is good to see how people live here, and what they eat), and the rest of the city center. By 11:30, it was getting too hot for me, so I went back to my hotel to enjoy the gym, the pool, and a take a nap. I left at 3:30 pm for mezzaninu, but I arrived 10 minutes early: they only open at 4, so I had to hang around with GPs who didn’t feel like talking to me much. I have not yet mentioned the quality of the premises. It is very large, very clean, very well organized and probably expensive for the locals. Clearly the best setup of all the saunas I have seen. Because of the party, there were many hot guys tonight, plus all the ones that I saw yesterday and many others. I started by sitting down and getting a drink, but the boys don’t come an sit with you naturally as they would do in 202 or in 117, they stay in the corridor, where you can’t miss them when you are walking around. So I got up and found myself Bruno #1 who is gay and a bottom and knows a few words of English, and when he doesn’t, he makes a special effort to articulate his Portuguese so I can get it. He is 29, but in very good shape. I thought he was 25 before hiring him. Even before he bottomed for me, I had a really good vibe about him, like I could trust him. The sex was very good, so in the cabin I offered him to leave with me later on, for the night with me. I told him he was free to get some other clients, in the meantime, but he said there are too few clients, you are the most I can get, so I’ll stay with you. I had noticed Bruno #2, very muscular, angelic smile, dark Italian hair. Unfortunately he was only top. After consideration since I was satisfied with my topping of Bruno#1, I hired Bruno#2 for muscle worship, cuddles, kissing and sucking only. It was a good time, not something I’ll will remember forever though. He was worried that I might come on his stomach’s skin, I mean wtf? I suspect he is the one that @PopeFrancis warned me about privately , but I could not not worship this! Around 6 pm Guilherme arrived, and everyone was all over him! Such a perfect face and body! 23 yo but looks 20. I was having trouble catching his attention, and that is where having Bruno#1 at my table was so useful. He got him to come over and Guilherme explained he was top only (I do know otherwise, but anyway). I didn’t want to bottom that night, so we negotiated 100 per boy and that he would fuck Bruno. That was great, I will remember for a long time a moment where I had a very close view on Guilherme’s dick repeatedly entering Bruno, while he was fingering me and I was sucking Bruno. I also fucked Bruno some more, and came while Guilherme was kissing me. Sorry, I am getting more and more graphic. If you think that reduces the appeal of the posts, i’ll tone It down. The client that I met last night was there too, and he said that he thought I could trust Bruno#1 for the night. I am so glad about that. Bruno was great company, not just sexual or sensual, but actually romantic the whole time. That is what I call good acting. We went to my hotel’s rooftop which is higher than most buildings in this city and we did the “KING OF THE WORLD!!!!” Titanic joke/thing against the terrace balustrade. He laughed at every one of my jokes. We went to a high-end churrascaria, with amazing service. We spent a lot of time cuddling at the hotel. We didn’t have sex, but I was spent anyway. Unfortunately between 6:30 am and 7am, he had 6 or 7 phone calls and 20 texts about a problem he didn’t want to tell me about, and after that he said he had to go home. So I didn’t get to have breakfast with him (although that was part of the original deal). I paid him for the night as agreed and didn’t add a tip. Sunday morning. Before the sun got too hot, I went for a walk in the big park called farroupilha. I have to say several of the P.A. parks are actually the residence of many homeless people, so I find it hard to enjoy them at all. Don’t come here for the parks. The Museum of Arte of the state of RG do Sur opened at 10 am. There are only local artists but I have to say those paintings by Rossini Perez resonated with me for some reason. Oh, and there is a beautiful coffee shop on the main floor from which I wrote most of this. I now have to withdraw cash for the boys. Oh and earlier I have managed to rent an SUV to go to Gramado, and Canela tomorrow. I am taking Bruno#1 with me, he makes a good temporary boyfriend. Health update: my feeling of burn on my lip has disappeared completely and did so right away. Not sure if it is the Zovirax or it was just a false alarm, or my immune system was ready for it. I am still applying Zovirax, just in case. My primary bank’s automated fraud system has freaked out (it was more or less expected) and has blocked card payments from both my credit card and my debit card. So I am using set of cards from backup bank #1. If they freak out as well, I have a 2nd backup, and then a 3rd backup set. This is happening although I have warned their system, online, that I was going to be in Brasil for these dates. They still freaked out. Maybe the shadyness of the places I am paying makes it more likely. I could call them and go through the painful process to get this unblocked, but I am on holidays! This can be dealt with from home later on. The heat is getting too much again, most likely I will spend the afternoon at the hotel again, using the gym and pool, and maybe today get ready to bottom at Mezzaninu. I enjoy your attention and reactions guys, which is mostly why I write, I am not going to hide it. Next update will probably be Tuesday from the airport lounge.

I will not let you have the last word. I agree with you. Fact: we will never agree, we all are placed in different ranges in the anti/pro bargaining continuum. Let me add a second fact, that makes @axiom2001's over reaction completely unjustified: whether or not you like bargaining, it is an institution in some cultures, including most South American countries. Bargaining is often not only tolerated, but expected.

I have been to Mexico and several Central and South American countries, but this was my first foray into Cuba. I spent 6 days in Havana and the surrounding area. This report encompasses my impressions of the city and the scene in Havana. There are still many beautiful men in Havana. There are MANY guys trying to make money by having sex with tourists. The scene is mostly on the street, but also at the bars, and there are some peculiarities that I have not experienced elsewhere. On my first night, I strolled down to the base of “La Rampa”, or The Ramp, which is a five-block-long incline that leads from the high point at Ave 23 and L Street down to the Malecon on the oceanfront. I noticed many guys sitting around on the raised wall of some planters along the route. The wifi in Cuba at this point is very difficult and glitchy—you must buy a wifi card for 2 CUCs ($2) and go to a public park to log in to the wifi signal, which is often weak, or which may disappear entirely at points. For this reason, apps like Grindr and Scruff and Planet Romeo are of limited use—I got many messages on them, but the guys often did not respond until hours later or the next day. In this way, Cuba really is a face-to-face cruising environment, which is fine with me. The very first time I sat down and tried to log onto the wifi, a guy sitting about 10 feet away from me moved over and said hello. He was clearly a young gay guy, and he pulled out his phone to help him translate, since I couldn’t understand all of his rapid Spanish. I almost choked when he showed me the translation, which was “do you want a child?”—until I realized that he had typed chico, which is really just slang for boy, or (more accurately), “guy”. I laughed and told him that the translation was NOT a good translation, and explained a bit, and he immediately pulled out his ID (which all Cubans are very conscientious about carrying on their person at all times—in case it is needed), to show me that he really was 18 years old. He was friendly, but not exactly my type, and we chatted for a bit and I moved off to seek out some more fun. I discovered during my trip that the Cuban gay nightlife is very organized, almost as if all the bars were owned by the same person, and the bars often cross-promoted with other bars (the most popular bar during the week, Club Las Vegas, which is standing room only on Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday, does not even open on Saturday, just as an example—can you imagine a gay bar in the US voluntarily closing on a weekend night, just because that night was more popular at another bar?) A sidenote about the gay bars: the entertainment is extremely uniform across the bars. Wherever you go, there are drag queens, followed by a few group dance routines (including some professional dancers), followed by more drag queens. On the night of my arrival, on Tuesday night at Club Las Vegas, I was told that I needed to buy a bottle of rum for $25 if I wanted a table (it came with three colas as mixers), or I could simply pay a $10 per table fee. I opted for that. The show was capped off by the drag queen IMPERIO “El Icono Trans de Cuba”, and she sang (lip-synced) 8 fucking songs in a row as the finale. I have never seen a more self-indulgent display. She has her fans, but she’s her own biggest fan. The scene for rentboys is this: along La Rampa from dusk until around 8 pm, guys gather to socialize and see if they can make some money. After sundown, many move to a restaurant called Toke, on the corner of Calle 25 and Infanta (a decent restaurant that makes good cocktails and offers cheap and totally acceptable food, but which only has seating for around 30 people, half indoors and half in front). That occupancy is if all the tables are occupied by the full complement of two or four guests, but the Cubans seated me by myself at a table for four, and many of the other tables were occupied by single guys, so the actual occupancy is more frequently limited to around 15 people. There were something like 30 to 50 boys hanging out on the street in front, trying to make some money. They will walk right up to you as you eat (if you are in front), and ask if you will allow them to sit and buy them a drink. This arrangement took place every night I was there, with the single exception of Saturday night, when the crowd gathered later in the evening, around 9 or 10 pm. When the bars open (around 11 pm, truly “night” clubs), much of the action moves inside. I had several guys beg me to pay their cover or take them in and buy them a drink. If you go in alone, you will continue to be hit up aggressively by the guys who are already inside the club, for drinks and sex. At this point, it becomes necessary to mention one of the peculiarities of Cuba—even though it was clear these guys had almost nothing, and they really wanted to make some money, none of them wanted to come out and give a price. They responded with simple assurances such as, no, whatever we do is fine with me, and if you like me and wish to give me a gift, that is fine. They may express boundaries such as “I don’t get fucked”, but across the board, they were willing to suck dick (if, as it turned out on my first choice, somewhat amateurishly), but they were otherwise genuinely friendly and eager to please. My type could be described as adorable masculine guys with (most important) a cute face, a nice body (which could be naturally muscular due to genetics and age, or could be a gym body), FRESH BREATH (this killed many of the otherwise beautiful guys I met in Brazil), nice dick, and friendly. I found this the first night with a 21 year old that I picked up on the street after leaving the bar. When we got back to the place, we made out for quite a while, and he was an eager kisser and not at all squeamish. When it came to sucking dick, though, he was turned off by the obvious precum that I was producing. Still, he attempted to suck my dick (never suggesting a condom), while still stopping frequently to spit out the precum/quickly wipe his tongue. It was fun, but it was not really getting anywhere, and he had agreed to come with me based on whatever I wanted to pay, so I wasn’t too upset, partially because I have encountered this reaction many times before (it really is copious), and partly because he was such a nice guy and so eager to please. We ended up just shooting on each other’s tongues. I paid him $30 CUCs, and he seemed extremely happy, saying “thank you!” enthusiastically. Afterwards, he was enthralled by my NastyPig hat, and wanted me to take photos of him modeling it, so I have several photos, even though he never requested that I send a photo to him—I guess it just made him happy that a photo of him wearing that hat existed. He did want to see the photo, and he smiled when he saw it. I went to the beach twice while I was there—Mi Cayito, which is the “gay” beach. It is a 30 minute cab ride from Havana—and all of the cab drivers I spoke to quoted me a price of $25 CUCs for the ride (taxis were the only expensive thing I encountered in Havana). The first cab driver offered to wait for me for several hours, rather than wasting gas back to the city, and I said yes. This arrangement isn’t a bad idea, but you will be able to find a taxi later on, so you shouldn’t worry too much about this point. If there are no taxis immediately available at Mi Cayito when you decide to leave, a 5 minute walk will bring you to a more populated area. The scene on the beach was laid back. You can rent a chair and umbrella for 2 CUCs each. The stand is run by the government, and they close precisely at 5 pm on weekdays and 6 pm on weekends. There is a little restaurant/bar over the dune, near the parking lot, and they offered drinks for around $2.25, plus food, and they were very friendly. I did see one older guy running food back-and-forth from the food stand, but he never approached me or my end of the beach, so I’m not sure if he was a freelance person who just showed up to offer his services as a waiter or what. That may well have been the case—there was a guy in La Habana Vieja who makes his living telling tourists on the street that there is a bar on the top of Hotel Ambos Mundos (something not immediately apparent), and then hoping for tips from grateful patrons who appreciated his assistance. Havana was full of people who had apparently carved out a similar extremely tiny niche for themselves. The second boy I picked up was an 18 year old that I also met on the street. He had said hi to me the day before, but we finally connected on my second night in town. He was a darker guy with more African features, a large cock, and a wicked smile. He was also very dirty. He was conscientious about telling me that he need to take a shower before we could do anything. He also left my bar of soap covered with a dark film, so it was clear that he had needed the bath. He turned out to be less squeamish about sucking dick than my first guy, but he did quote a price to me: $25. He offered to let me fuck him bareback for an additional $5, but I skipped that option. A last note: the first boy that I met on the street, the 18 year old who I had passed over, primarily because he was a little femme for my tastes, followed me for several days and kept trying to say hi, before simply telling me that he is great at sucking dick, and he swallows, and he would do it for whatever I wanted to pay…$10, or $15. So if you aren’t picky, it would seem that Cuba still offers many eager guys who are willing to do most anything you would want.

Yes, I have a simple rule which is more than 1600 years old: “When in Rome, do like the Romans”. That rule has worked for me extremely well everywhere, no exception (and I have been to a lot of places) for any aspect of life. It does mean you have to spend a lot of time observing, though. So, @axiom2001, I have no issues with your post, but yes I haggle down to 100 in PA, because that is the minimum haggling expected. The locals certainly often haggle further down. I would not haggle with an escort in the US or in Europe, simply because “that isn’t done”. Also, you will notice, in the US, if you reject a high price from an escort, the conversation simply politely ends there. Here in Brasil, you immediately get a lower offer from the guy, which is a clear indication that haggling is normal.

Hahahaha ... some of you caught on to there being no clear point in my attempts to contribute to the payment topic. Could anybody really sum up and knit together the many, often disparate, pieces of thought put forward here? I could give a rat's ass about anyone's opinion on this subject because I don't need to have an opinion of my own about this subject. I think this makes me the most sane or insane person in the thread. That is how nutty it is. I must admit, though, there is an obsessionality about it and we we will see it played out in interminable groundhog day style. I find myself drawn to the posts like a moth to flame. You can almost time to the minute when money will inevitably come up. Once introduced into a thread it becomes like a fast-spreading weed choking out the topic's purpose. It can never be shut down because too many posters need to have the last word, and too much attention span is required. I hope mine is not the final word that shuts it down. Who could tolerate such omnipotence? I find the whole thing incredibly amusing as a kind of collective character trait, ideas defying meaningful integration while colliding off each other. Then me unwittingly putting myself out there as a whipping boy, offering the one opportunity for unification among those polarized in their futile attempts to give readers a true roadmap for the topic of money. Interestingly, I think this topic should never be shelved because it cannot be put to rest. It is immortal and beloved. I think we should just resign ourselves to living with it, stockholm syndrome style. I get a kick out of it, while kicking myself for it.

we have had this discussion several times before. yes, i will defenitely bargain, if they offer me something what is out of market. so, i will not bargain, if they say 100 or 120. but if someone offers 200, i will try to bring price down to normal range. on the other hand, i will always tip, if service is good. i will always give 50 reais more, than what was negotiated, but only if the service was good. mostly is. but i would not pay if if someone, was combing his hair, while fucking me. it maybe sound stupid to negotiate from 150 to 100, and then pay 150. but protects the uality of service. and i think the boys know and expect that.

"I'm looking to book flights to Brazil (from Los Angeles) for early next year." You might not know that American Airlines is the only carrier that has non stop flights to Sao Paulo from Los Angeles. A non stop flight removes the concern of possibly missing a connecting flight. It also removes several hours from a trip. American Airlines is not always the cheapest way to go but, as I wrote, it is quicker and less stressful than when a connection is involved. Occasionally, you will find a bargain fare to Brazil on their website. I once got a business class fare for around $1,300.00. However, I do not expect to see that low business fare at any time in the near future, but it could happen. Another thing with the American Airlines non stop flight is on departure day. If you have a regular coach ticket and if there are empty seats in business class (just before boarding time), American Airlines will let you "buy up" for around $500 - $600 dollars in addition to what you already paid for your original ticket. The agent will tell you the amount if and when there are unsold business class seats. On the other hand, if you do not mind a connecting flight, you can look at the constantly fluctuating fares of LATAM.

I think that the ethernal fight (which i probably accidentally brought up with my yesterday's post) between those who negotiate to the lowest price possible and those who actually have an orgasm by overpaying GPs, (and those "who sit" between the 2 maximums) in this forum is quite old, and the past experiences have proven that there's no solution, and there's no need to find one. A lot has been told, even from the people who kept this forum's section active and alive for years (tomcal, Oz...and many more)...no need to repost the same things for the 24583th time. This a Tartegogo's topic, where he is putting effort in telling with the deepest detail what are his adventures in Brazil to provide updated info to the existing community and for those which maybe will become new users...I don't want to say that this kind of reports lately has became quite rare to find in this forum. I just did. Just relax people...too bad to see people getting so mad and so personally touched by the suggestions or the ideas of a user...just do whatever you want and believe to whatever you want to believe (even to fairy tales about escorts love or flying donkeys or the non-existence of the "stupid tax" in brazilian saunas), nothing of catastrophic will happen...you will still have fun and the saunas will still be there. Probably they will just shut down 1 or 2 months before their expiry date, which has already been set by "The Internet". Waiting for your next update Tarte.

I have always found the best deal on brazilianexpress.com. You need to make an account(free) and log in to see the best fares. I just booked my flight for Carnival on them using Delta and saved $300 on the best fare that was published on Delta's own website, kayak, etc.

As mentioned, Chaturbate is an amazing source of incredibly hot guys, many of whom will happily discuss escorting in a private (but never publicly as it can get them banned). I found Instagram to be the most reliable source of contact with the best Russian fitness models. But I would avoid anyone repped by ES Models. The agent is both greedy AND psycho (according to the models I have spoken with who no longer work with him but still escort privately). He charges a LOT for his guys and takes a large cut of course. There's plenty of amazing models to choose from privately outside of working with an agency like that. Russian tourist visas are so unbelievably annoying, so I arranged for a very, very hot model from Moscow to meet me for travel (easy enough to find destinations that don't require tourist visas like Thailand) and we spent an incredible week together for a very, very reasonable price ($1500, plus expenses). Russians are far more passionate than Eastern Europeans IMHO, and having had such a positive experience, I would do it again. But make sure to cam or FaceTime to assess compatibility and English speaking levels. Traveling together wouldn't be nearly a enjoyable if you have to pass your phone back and forth with google translate.

Check brokers to see if they do economy along with business and first class. Do a google check: cheap/inexpensive coach fares to Rio de janeiro or to wherever you're traveling in that country. Because Rio is a long distance from where I am, California, I have to fly business class. A few weeks back- I noted the fare to be under $1000. Remember you'll be flying during the high season since it'll be summer there.

I had posed a question on the status of Sauna Adan but just returned from Madrid and can give an update myself. I think some of the negative reviews here were a little exaggerated. The sauna is located a few blocks off one of the largest streets in the city and is an easy and safe walk from anywhere in central Madrid. I found the individuals working at the front desk perfectly polite (nothing like some previous posts). The facilities were fine (definitely not as nice as Thermas in Barcelona with a much smaller bar area but nothing so horrible that it should deter anyone from going). There were usually about 20+ guys working when I went (around 6:00 in the evening). It is definitely not anything like the numbers at 117 on a Tuesday night (I have never seen a selection like that!) but I think most people will find someone to their liking. Everyone with whom I had a programa or with whom I had a conversation (during 3 visits) was from South America. Lots of Colombians but also Brazilians and Venezuelans. Others had reported meeting Eastern Europeans but strangely I never met a person from that region. A few were a bit long in the tooth maybe but I think you get that anywhere. Here was something I found a bit unique about the experiences. It seems 50 euros is a set price and no one really tried to haggle over the rate at all. Many guys at Thermas tend to first give a higher price and I was quoted outrageous “gringo”prices at first in Brazil. Here it is just assumed that everyone pays 50 euros. On the negative side, the programas seemed a bit shorter than perhaps ones I have had at Thermas or in Brazil. Maybe longer sessions could have been up for negotiation but I actually enjoyed the elimination of haggling and worrying if I was paying more than others! Also, the guys all seemed willing to be versatile. I only bottom myself but I have the “curse” of being a bottom who is rather well-endowed. Some of the guys definitely seemed interested in bottoming for me but didn’t happen! In summary, I don’t think Adan is quite as good as the experiences in Barcelona and Brazil but anyhow me in Madrid should check it out as it works fine and there are so few places in the world where you can have this experience.

Tartego, can I suggest one thing? STOP ASKING THE PRICE! Avoid punctuating any sentence about cost with a question mark. You tell the guy the price early in the exchange and, before he can respond, hightail it out of his space and make like you are moving on to tell the next guy what the price you pay is. No fiagling, no negotiating, no offer/counteroffer, etc. Avoid setting yourself up for a dynamic of coming down in price. A depreciation in a utility always feels psychologically worse than an equal appreciation. The guy is then always put in the position of getting less than he might have. If he accepts your offer, that is to say I mean if he accepts your bottom-line, without pouty-frowny-face, the dynamic is more about hope, hope that he will receive more than your price following the service. Hope is more potently incentivizing than any arbitrary amount of money. That said, do not enter into a discussion about tip prior to the encounter. Let the hope/ambiguity dynamic drive his service. Being in PA, you might consider this strategy as experimental, trying on for size, and the roster of guys does not likely intersect with Rio. That's all ... R out.

I got a puppy and am trying to train it. What about you dudes?

Unfortunately, no face pics with Bruno#2 and Guilherme. I couldn’t convince them. They are very worried about it spreading, which is their right to be.

Anyone with mileage programs on their mind should avoid Latam at all costs, this past summer they were demanding 150.000 miles for a NY/ Rio round trip, or about double of what other airlines were demanding at the time. I don't know how it is right now, but I've checked at other times and was always the highest by far. If luggage is an issue, American allows more free pounds than all others.

Back now from a week-long romantic getaway in Gramado and Canela with my new boyfriend LOL. Thanks Ferrar for the recommendations. Will post in greater detail after I finish recovering here in boring PA.

" Mississippi?"

Here's a free ticket rt on American. Their credit card with no annual fee 1st year. 60K miles after spending $3000 on it. https://citicards.citi.com/usc/LPACA/AA/AAdvantage/Platinum/PS_LTO/index.html?BTData=O07.B.gAB4f.J.Bsh.SBeZ.ayw.kMf.vlV.Bj.Q3.yO.E&m=X4K8111111W&B=null&cmp=KNC~01~110901~CRDACQXX~Google&ProspectID=DD9B013A6E0F4C2AB6BE901C194831B7 United has similar card offers but it's a transfer in Houston. I got stuck there on a 24 hour delay once--not a pleasant place. American Express has similar card offers and their points transfer to many airlines including British which can be used on LaTam or American. There are so many credit card offers with enough miles for a rt to Brazil and seats are fairly easy to get.

OZ needs to lean heavily on his cheap India software sherpas to get their act together here.

Yeah...what he said.

One interesting little note: despite pornography being illegal in Cuba, I saw Michael Lucas there on the street cruising boys, clearly looking for his next new porn star. Or maybe just a fuck.

This current version of the forum software is VERY VERY BUGGY under my Windows 10 laptop FireFox. Works fine on my iPhone Safari. WTF??

If you have frequent flyer accounts, South America is very easy and cheap to get with miles, especially from CA. I think 60,000 miles roundtrip peak is normal for economy and you can usually get 50K or 60K opening a credit card. There's little or no fees to SA. And many credit cards waive the $95 fee first year.

Never? I take it to mean: "Whatever" for those who keep dictating what SHOULD be paid to a guy in Brazil. As if, someone who pays one cent more is an idiot, and is ruining it for everyone else (tourists AND locals). Your own posts, Tartegogo, reveal that you frequently pay MUCH MORE than the going rate. And that's your prerogative. I fall in line more with you than with the guys who think they are being ripped off if a garoto tries to make one cent more than his minimum. I don't mind a guy being ambitious or trying to make more money. I can always just say "Nao, obrigado". The guys usually realize pretty quickly that I'm not going to accept an inflated rate, and they adjust accordingly. I cannot find it in my heart to hold it against them. In their situation, I would also want to make as much money as I thought might be possible. It doesn't mean they think you are a stupid gringo (although...in some cases, that might be the case). It means they are looking out for themselves. I don't have a problem with that.

I appreciate these tips. When I was trying to purchase a ticket about 6 months in advance last April, the tickets were around $1400 roundtrip. I went to Google Flights and set a tracker on the flights I wanted. For several months, the price was very steady. Then, suddenly one day, it dropped to $700 RT. I purchased my tickets, and it was back to $1400 plus the next day. Out of curiosity, I left the tracker, and it never fell again. Those trackers can really help you. On my first trip the year before, I learned that roundtrip is not always the best option. It often pays to seek out two one-way tickets.

When an escort in Europe or in the United States quote his price, do you try to bargain ("haggle)? R$100 is very low. Remember many of the guys whom you meet in the saunas or bars or elsewhere are fucking and sucking or getting plowed,m etc. to earn money to initially support or to complement their earnings. Also, remember these guys have feelings, too. If a straight guy is uncomfortable being in your company for hire and is out with you at a restaurant, accept it and try NOT to make too much out of it. Are you there to make friends for life, or to get laid? I've always treated escorts with the utmost respect from all angles and desire the same in return. Lastly, I KNOW very LITTLE Brasilian Portuguese, a beautiful but rather difficult language to learn, especially at my current age. So with the language barrier-- again, try to make do and laugh when you're having difficulty. I know you would prefer to converse, but if it's difficult as it apparently seemed to have been as it was with me-- enjoy the guy's company in bed-- treat respectfully, and try not to make too much out of it. I was reluctant to post, but what I read really bothered me personally. Treat others as you wish to be treated. I've been there and understand!

Tartegogo, thank you SO much for your trip diary, it's been incredible to read! Very inspiring.

Jeezus Christ almighty!!! I give up. This is the worst software on the planet. I mean if it takes 10 minutes to insert a freakin GIF, and then the GIF posts as an image only. Seriously what's the fucking point. AND the software won't even allow me to delete my post. So I'm going back to bed. But I liked your post Lars. This is where you can imagine me walking away shaking my head...

I think it is the result of his Convoluted Reasoning & Anti-intellectual Pomposity (CRAP) meter, which for no reason, flipped off the charts.

Ok, then. Kkkkk. One zero-sum game console play per port.

But, but.... haggling is fun!

I am in Porto Alegre and this is hard guys. Here not speaking Portuguese is a real issue. Because it is not a tourist spot, people don’t bother learning any English, at least in Rio people understand we can meet half way, here it is all portuguese and “I just told you something in rapid Portuguese, why are you holding you phone like you want me to type?” I mean I can still hire boys, that is never an issue, but I do feel a lot lonelier than in Rio where I had a kind of social life from the first night, and a very busy one from the 4th night. In hindsight I should have stayed in Rio. My other mistake was to go to mezzaninu. Tonight there was a party night at plataforma, so all the boys were there. But I didn’t know! Among those boys who were at mezzaninu, nearly all were bearded and not one of them knew more that “good evening” in English. So google translate all night. That should be fine, but it makes you even more of a walking ATM to them. I hired 3 times, though. Let me go through it. Rodrigo. Twink type, very good bottom, asked 150, negotiated back down to 100. Nice Gozada which he timed exactly at the same time as mine, no complaint. Afterwards he only let me take a picture after I offered an extra 20. Michael, met in the sauna room, he worked so hard to entice me, I could not say no. Straight guy, has a family so did not let me take a face picture. Was a really good bottom. Paid 100. Kauan, top only and insisted that he would not bottom for me. I was happy to just enjoy the outside of his body so we started talking details and we came to an agreement on what would happen, and then I asked the price and he said 300. Lol. I told him I knew that the price was around 80 in PA. After much reluctance and quoting me 200, then 150, then 120, he finally agreed to 100. He wasn’t good. Only sucked me reluctantly and was trying to finish as quick as possible. He is an outlying data point, though, all the others were happy to close the session only when I initiated the closure. Paid the agreed 100. When negotiating with me, Kauan brought in another customer who spoke good English. So when that was done, i asked that customer if I would take any of the boys for dinner, which one he thought would be safe and a nice companion. He said “definitely not Kauan, but there is a guy that I would trust with my life, hIs name is ... Michael”. Turned out to be the same Michael. The client explained Michael had limitations: “he is only top” (Lol I just came in his ass less than an hour ago) “and he had to be home by midnight because he had a family”. I said, great, it is not for sex anyway, Cinderella comes with me. So Michael took me out to a churascaria, but it turned out to be a flop. I mean the food was very good but the boy was uncomfortable to even look at me in the eyes, clearly worried for us to be seen as anything but some sort of weird business arrangement. He also didn’t like talking to me through my phone. We really only talked about his family a bit, he has a 7 yo girl and a wife. He is also a motorbike mechanic during the day. So, even though I was paying him 100 an hour, he didn’t try to make it last any longer than strictly necessary to eat and put me into a Taxi for my hotel. There is a party at mezzaninu today, so it should be a big night.

This ended up to be a tldr post... So sorry. I agree but there is one fundamental thing on which I disagree... Which is the reason why I felt the need to update the usual warning I tell to new newbies things which I believe must be 100% clear. As tomcal said, saunas still exists thanks to local customers. The average GP market price is 70 reais in saunas. Gringos paying gringo rates are paying 70/100% more of the standard price. Not viceversa. When they ask us to pay 150 is because they know that we are the usual "stupid gringos" and that since we are unaware of the going rate, we will pay just because of it's still cheap (which is true). They try to get the most out of us. That's why they will still go for 100 or even 70. And that's why most of them will never ask you anymore for 150, since they talk to each other and they don't want to piss you out. They are smart... Even if sometimes they forget that commenting the tips they receive at a high voice, thinking that your Portuguese is so bad... While I do have no problems to pay 1000 reais in Europe for an hour with a Brazilian escort, I don't like to get "scammed" in Brazil just because I am a tourist. If I wanna pay more, I will tip you...no reason to inflate the price for me. Same reason why you do not want and like taxi drivers to charge you 400 reais a ride to Copacabana from GIG, just because it would still be cheaper than NYC or Rome. Of course I am not saying that paying 150 will get you bankrupt (it happens many times especially when my smaller brain kicked in, and I am no fun of negotiations below 100 reais) , but newcomers must know what the price of the things in Brazil really is, to avoid stupid surcharges reserved for gringos. Then everyone is free to do whatever it is preferred. Just to talk about the different meaning of money... a quick OT: I do have a friend who gets excited to literally be the cash slave of 2 hot guys....the world is good because it's big and various. One other likes to thrash the 5 euro notes just because he doesn't like them. I am one of those people working for a IT company which ends the year with 10 digits account balances and that while the payroll is still good, doesn't pay me a cent more than what the contract says for what I do.

Ty for your Rio reports. Tarte you brought up something for which I would like to do a disclaimer. I know that you don't need me to tell you this... That's why I will write it as a sort of disclaimer /reminder for newbies. This can happen... Do not "fall in love" with guys and do not expect any kind of true love or appreciation in change of high payments or gifts. For all of them we are walking ATMs and what they're doing is just their job. Their real friends, loves and sexual orientations are fare away from the saunas. Remember that R$1000 per month is the average net income in Rio... (which is also pretty close to minimum wage) especially for young people. And remember that every GP in Rio will go for 70 or 80 reais, which is what locals pay. Those who ask u more than 100 as a first price, are just trying to exploit their new potential gringo-living-ATM. Promise them 100 and in case they deserved it... make a small tip after.

Thursday, last day in Rio, met with Felipe at 10:00am on Praça XV and we travelled to Ilha de Paquetà, the ferry ticket was 2 dollars each, Lol, this country can be so cheap. It very quiet there, especially weekdays, and so the island’s beautiful beaches are deserted. That is convenient if you want to fondle your boy on a beach (I did), but you can’t do that on Copacabana or Ipanema beach, because it isn’t acceptable to Brazilian society. But don’t expect high-end restaurants and souvenir shops, it is not that sort of island pleasures! Felipe told me a bit about his life, he had a boyfriend at some point and a girlfriend at some other point. He now lives with a girl, who is only his roommate. He is trying to get a regular job, since the sauna competition with the other boys is not working in his favour. He also said he had never gone to either Cristo Redendor, nor to Sugarloaf mountain, because it was too expensive for him. To give you an idea of what he can’t afford, the tickets are R. 60 and R. 80 respectively. That is US$18 and US$24. And we have many escorts in NYC that are asking for $1,500 for a single night! Since the boat dropped us at Praça XV, I thought we should walk to Meu Mundo just for the sake of knowing what I am talking about. It is a construction site. I would not go back until it is fully redone. I checked one of the cabin and It smelled badly of mould. There was only one boy i could have hired, the few others were too old for me. The only thing it has for itself is the cheap entrance fee (R. 5 for boys, R. 20 for clients). So we left just after I saw the place, and took a cab at 18:15 (first time I was stuck in bad traffic) to go to 117. Such a difference from Meu Mundo! Also very friendly 117 staff at the entrance today, I guess they have more time since itis a much slower day. They helped me recharge my phone as I needed it for pictures. Among the usual suspects there, we found Vinicius, Pablo, Bruno, Fernando. But it is a slow night. Pablo came to tell me that I was unfair because on Sunday, I had paid him less than what I gave to some other boys thisweek (I think I gave 200 to a guy when I was a bit drunk on Tuesday and Pablo heard about it). He made his beautiful Italian eyes look like begging puppy-eyes, and I couldn’t resist him. I topped him, this time without erection issues and it was soooo good. This guys is so beautiful, if only he spoke English, I would have hired him to stay with me the whole week, I would have fallen in love and then bought him crazy presents like an iPhone X or something like this. He also confidently told me he was gay, which I found refreshing. He left right after we were done. There were several new and very sculpted black boys that interested me. Nicolas was one of them, a bit shy and unlike many other boys he didn’t try to grab me, but later on I approached him and found him to be compatible with my needs. He looks like a Greek god, his body is perfectly proportioned, his muscles very salient. Oh, and that perfectly small muscular ass! There was a guy called Max which I had noticed on Tuesday but i had never got to him. Huge guy, with kind of a baby face. I hired him for “cuddles and sucking only”, and he was so good at this! He licked and kissed me everywhere! At this point (9:00 I think) people were leaving and so did I. I had run out of cash in my wallet anyway, and I don’t think the boys open a credit line. I was thinking of taking one to my hotel, but I knew I would have to spend the rest of the evening packing, and in the morning I was checking out early, so it would not be much fun. So, a slow night, only 3 orgasms. My recommendation for Rio is to stay 2 weeks if you want to try every guy that you like. If you hire a lot the first week, and reward fairly the hard work, you will be their hero before the beginning of the second week and I think you will have a blast. Also get a nice hotel room, my hotel was nice and cheap (US$61 per night), but wasn’t quite up to my standard and I think the boys will appreciate the better bed and shower. Overnights are great, and very cheap as long as you offer dinner and buffet breakfast and a good night comfortable sleep. Also this way, if there is a long line for cabins on the “free cabin days” at the sauna, and you don’t want to wait around, just grab a boy (or 2) and take him with you. But use the room safe for any sort of valuable: A wallet full of dollars, or an iPad, or a nice watch, would be incredibly tempting for a guy that cannot even visit his own city’s main monument, because he can’t afford $18 for a fun afternoon. Even if you know the guy is a good person, there are things that are just too tempting when life is difficult. Health update: this morning I have a little sensation of burn on a part of my lower lip. Nothing visible, but it feels like it could be a viral infection. Let’s face it, I kissed over 40 different Cariocas, and sucked 18 different dicks, it would be surprising if I hadn’t caught a little something. I’ll have to explain that to the hotel Doctor in Porto Alegre, that is going to be fun. Written on Friday morning from SDU airport lounge. Tonight: Mezzaninu in Porto Alegre.

Ok, so much happened, I don’t know if My writing can give credit to this day. First I whatsapped Vinicius for a 2 hour session at my hotel starting 3 pm. I thought that I could go to one of the clubs at 5 pm. Then I left early for the Christ the redeemer monument, and that was done and dusted by 11 am or so, so got a taxi to sugarloaf. Also done quickly By 2 pm I was ready to go back to hotel, I just withdrew my escort fees for the day, and used my bathroom to get ready to bottom, in case Vinicius arrived bang on time. He realised he was going to be late if he searched his way on foot to my hotel, so he grabbed a taxi from the metro station. That is what I call initiative! Then went through hotel guest registration nightmare, they really are not making it easy for us! The staff were painful and not friendly. He was great, first he topped me, and given how large he is, that should have been a difficult and painful operation, but the boy knows how to do it! I really enjoyed having his massive muscles on top of me. Orgasm #1. He simulated an orgasm inside me. That was very good simulating, because I believed him. But later I checked the condom in the bathroom bin and it was empty, lol. We cuddled a long time and then it was my turn. @tele5b, you were right, he can’t handle it well, this time we tried 3 different position and it hurt him every time. So I finished on his incredible torso. What I found funny is that he put on some straight porn for him to watch on my phone while I was fucking him. It was still hot, though. We talked through google translate about his girlfriend. He is a footballer which explains his massive legs. He didn’t short me on time, I kicked him out at 4:50. I wanted to prepare for point 202 as Wednesday is their biggest night because free cabins. The funniest thing is that I entered pint 202 exactly at the same time as him! We could have shared the taxi ride! He explained he needed to be here because he needs the cash to repair his car. He introduced me to Luis, a blond 20 yo with and incredibly smooth skin but also a beard. I was going to say no, and then they offered a double (Luis and vinicius) for 240. I wanted to see Vinicius fuck someone else so I said yes. We did so many 3some positions, I won’t bore you, but in short, orgasm #3 and got Vinicius’ load all over my face. I came out of the room and realised I knew half the population there now. There was Vinicius , Luis, Nathan, Victor, Felipe, Enzo (the black boy that I have been missing since Sunday), Pablo, junior, @pauleiro, David, Jeferson, Everson, Ricardo, Wellington, etc. All the boys are becoming quite friendly with me and not just sexual and they try to help me (and help each other at the same time) by recommending their friend. I said hi to @pauleiro and we exchanged tips on boys most of the night. He also got quite busy. He told me about his time with David a beautiful very white guy only very slightly chubby. I only had to say, “yes I think I want to try him” and 5 minutes later, David was all over me. It was a bit to early after Luis and Vinicius so I asked him 15 minutes to recover and we talked in his reasonably good English. Then we got a cabin and he was a great bottom! Orgasm #4 After that I was considering an overnight so I started to thing about who. Jeferson was there and he speaks quite good English too which was essential for a nice dinner, so I offered and asked how much he would want. The boy quoted me R200 I couldn’t believe him. I thought he was trying to ask for 2000 and had made a mistake, but no, I showed him 200 and confirmed that is what he wanted! So he was hired (I paid 400, I would have felt really guilty with giving him only 200), I asked him to wait for me as I had to get more boys before taking him home. So he recommended me Henrique, his friend, another twink, 20 yo, very lean, who was only average in bed compared to what I am now used to. Lol. We had to wait about 20 mins for a cabin, but he fondled me and kissed while we were waiting, so I was happy enough! His dick was very long! He came, I didn’t though. Finally Pablo and Enzo, the black boy I have missed twice turned up and I booked Enzo right away. Long wait for the cabin again, but he made sure I was not getting bored by kissing me in all the (publicly at least) appropriate places. In the cabin, he was amazing, he smelled clean but no perfume, I was quite a good musky masculine smell, yet very clean. Hi dick was huge and he was a very good bottom. Orgasm #5 Felipe redeemed itself once again by giving me a whole heated apology and refusing a free drink from me, by saying “I don’t deserve it”. So I told him, tomorrow 10:00am, Praça XV, if you are there, I take you to ilha de paqueta. if you are late, I take the boat without you. Finally I took Jeferson out to churrascaria palace in Copacabana and he was so thankful. He also has a girlfriend but lives with 4 other boys in a 2 bedroom apartment in Copacabana. That explains why he is so keen to come with me, my hotel bedroom is probably an improvement on his place, even with me in it. I asked him if it was ok for guys to kiss in public in Brasil and he said “no but I will kiss you right now if you want”. Lol. At the hotel he was great he gave me a back massage with some moisturiser that I had ( note to self, bring your own massage oil when traveling, for overnights). Then I rode his (comparatively to the other boys) small dick and he came (for real). I did too all over his hairless torso. Orgasm #6. We fell asleep in each other’s arms, I didn’t remember how good it feels to do that with a 22 yo hottie ( I have not done that for 20 years!). In the morning he was in great, we had the hotel breakfast and he left. he is a genuinely nice guy. By the way, there were another 5 guys at pint 202 that also were incredibly hot to me and that I happily would have taken for a ride last night if only I could handle more than 6 orgasms per day! Anyway, leaving this city Friday morning, so my recently acquired fame with the boys will soon be useless to me. I hope Porto Alegre is quieter, or these boys will kill me. I have written most of this on a deserted beach in paqueta island between kisses from Felipe. He will finally get paid. Photos in the club later.

I started the day at the “museum of tomorrow”. It was ok, but not mind-blowing like many of the mall museums in DC. I then walked to Praça VX and there are several beautiful buildings to take pictures of. I went back to the hotel for rest and to use the gym. 5 pm, arrived at Club 117, free cabins, so naturally, biggest night of the week. I jumped on a bottom guy before anyone could get him, Everson. I found him incredibly handsome. He said he was 25, but he looked 20 to me. He was so good, so passionate! They all are very passionate, to be honest. I never had a bad experience like in NYC where sometimes the guy does not even want to kiss. I came out of the cabin and started waking around, looking for even better, (if at all possible) and I saw @pauleiro waking into the smoking bar. We chatted and he was great! He introduced me to several guys, we talked about boy preferences, language learning, Prague, etc. I am especially happy that he introduced me to Vinicius, a short guy, real muscle hottie, who does everything in bed! I liked him so much that I got his WhatsApp and started texting him about arranging another meet at my hotel with him. I also met Matteus a really nice guy who spoke descent English but was bearded, so not for me. i asked him for recommendation of the cutest but not bearded guys, so he introduced me to... Fernando, who he said is the hottest in the club tonight. Yes, the same Fernando we heard of. He only tops so I didn’t go with him. But I can see why he is recommended, huge amount of muscle mass, and such a cute face. Much better in real than the pictures I have seen here. Finally 7 pm I found that black boy that I saw on Sunday, but by then, I had to go as I have booked Felipe for the night and it was an 8 pm appointment. I also saw again Bruno, he always makes me laugh, I found it hard to say no to him actually. I did manage, though Of course Felipe was so late (1 h 45 mins) that I gave up on him and went for dinner on my own. So I could have had this black boy actually. Why did I trust Felipe again? I have written him off completely, he needs to learn a lesson, for his own good: be on time or you won’t get paid. He came all the way from zona nord to Copacabana for nothing. From his latest WhatsApp texts, he seems to have understood. I feel sorry for him now, I think the money of an overnight would have really helped him.

Today I had a slow day, I only visited the beach in Ipanema. Yes, there are some hot guys (especially one or two of the black twinks who are renting out the chairs and umbrellas, wow, yes I need that umbrella but I also would like to rent something else, Baby!) But most beach users around noon seem to be straight couples, even (especially?) where the rainbow flags are flying. Felipe tried to redeem himself and said he would pick me up from my hotel and take me to pointe at 6 pm. We grabbed some dinner together before going, and it was nice to have some company, and someone to speak to, while at Pointe. But clearly the boy cannot read a map or be on time, so he is not a great idea for a guide through the city. He is such a nice guy though. At pointe, I have seen seen Ricardo again (the guy who fucked me on Saturday night), still very hot and very pushy, but there was no point hiring him tonight, I had to chose between 10 other guys that I liked more and really wanted. So I went for the short guys, I just can’t refuse them. My first was Wellington a black boy that had a body and a smile to dream for. He was a good bottom but my complaint is that he didn’t suck me. So I paid him only 100. After that Immediately I realised I was getting into trouble, stamina-wise. I liked what I was seeing on the floor, but there was no way I could get hard for quite some time. So instead of waiting an hour, and doing not much, I went with one of the masseur guys, Victor. He is from Venezuela. He is formally trained as a masseur, that was a good thorough massage! I would say Babylon-August level. And he is very handsome, muscular, short, everything I like. I do recommend him. One thing I didn’t expect is that during the massage he did offer sex for extra money. I refused, at that moment, that was exactly “not the point”, but so, that massage activity isn’t quite as legit as they make it seem downstairs. Finally, I had Nathan, a cute twink from Fortaleza. 22 yo, gorgeous! And he was good, he kissed me for so long, like he wanted to eat my face (in a good way) that was such an exchange of saliva! A perfect bottom, clearly he was prepared for the night. Then he sucked me and rimmed me really good. And so did I, hmm deliciously clean down there, I couldn’t get enough of it. I got a bit soft when tried to fuck him, and he was very understanding, took matters in hand and got me back on track! Strong recommend. If only he spoke English I could take him for the night. There was a big tip for Nathan. Then I was completely out of commission, no-can-fuck anymore. I hate this lack of stamina, there were 6 or 7 other guys who were still there that were perfectly beautiful and sexy for me. There was a strip show of the most muscular guys on the stage, presented by a drag queen, that was fun even though I got none of the jokes at all. On my way out, I saw junior and said hello. I said “I know you because of @Tomcal”, he said “who?” Then I explained, and he said, “ah, yes of course, Tão” (Lol, I promise, that is how he pronounced it, just like não).

Today I learned to use the metro, I got burned by too much Sun, and I walked so much I have band-aids on my feet tonight!My escort for the day, Felipe, didn’t turn up. I met him last night at Pointe and he had given me his WhatsApp, so later in the evening we had arranged for him to be my guide for today on WhatsApp. I told him to meet me at my hotel at 9am. He whatsapped me at 11:30 am! Lol, I was already up in Santa Teresa without him. If they can’t wake up in the morning, they can’t be my guide/escort/translator etc. So he missed out on a full day of escorting me, for which I would have been very generous. I realised though, that I understand people when they talk to me, really quite often. The context is always quite obvious, and there are so many words that are just plain modified “Latin”, so since I know other Latin languages, I just guess right. So all on my own, I took the funicular train called the bonde all the way up to Santa Teresa. Then I looked for a nice restaurant with a view. After entering several of them, which weren’t quite up to my standard, I walked all the way up to Aprazivel. Very expensive for Rio. The food was good, but the view over the city was supremely beautiful.During my search up there in Santa Teresa, I noticed a side street “Candido Mendes”. That made me realise that the street where clube 117 is, actually come up all the way up here in the heart of Santa Theresa! So instead of taking a taxi, I walked it all the way down to arrive at club 117 at 3:50 pm. That is far too early, there was nobody of major interest for 2 hours.About Club 117: It is so much nicer in terms of facilities, and the suites are huge! Even the locker rooms are better, there are also public showers where everyone can checkout the merchandise etc. My only problem is that the “restaurant area” is very cold. Come on guys, I’m not wearing anything except a towel! So no one is using it. Instead, there is a smoker’s restaurant at the back, kind of hidden, much warmer, with loads more guys, but you have to stand the smell of smoke. Interesting that they choose straight porn on the tv rooms in both saunas. Surely that isn’t the best porn they can show to a bunch of gay guys?At 4:50 pm, nearly all the guys are bearded here. This doesn’t look like a good night for me. I found one smooth-chin guy that is average and probably 35 yo, that my oldest hire ever! He was good in bed though, a real power bottom. Interestingly he left right after I fucked him. Then I tried Bruno, who was a little chubby, but making me really horny with so much good kissing I couldn’t say no. These 2 hires were kind of a mistake, because all the hot guys arrived afterwards.So next I tried Pablo who is sooooo my type. His face is amazing to me. In college, I fell in love with guys who looked like him.He gives really good head, and he did that while confidently sitting on my face, and yes, he was right to be confident, it was delicious!Unfortunately, I embarrassed myself then, I was hard but not quite enough to fuck him. It sucks to be old, not enough stamina for 8 fucks in two days, are you kidding me?The most embarrassing is that I had insisted to him that I was the top! Anyway, I liked his dick a lot, which is on the smaller size but very hard, so I could ride him and I finished very happy that way.After that I decided not to embarrass myself anymore and I spent time with a guy fondling me, kissing me, letting me do the same to him, and teaching me Portuguese. We ordered food and he spend a good hour with me so I gave him R100. It was Rodrigo, a 29 yo.There is a super hot black guy, such a cute smile, if only I was horny enough I would have hired him today. We talked about it and I will get him on Tuesday. I have kissed so many guys tonight! They all want to entice you to hire them, and so if you look at them even just once,they will ask your name, tell you theirs, ask if you are top or bottom, and then put their tongue down your throat to try to convince you.Overall very impressed by the place, but wish the guys there could shave those beards. I know it is the fashion, but not for me. Tomorrow, I am using taxis! No more walking in the sun. And in the evening, back at Pointe 202, since both Meo Mundo and Club 117 are closed.

I never ask my boys to cum. I really like it when they do, but asking them to cum is not interesting to me. It feels like I am ordering them to find me sexy. If I have to ask, it is not good for my ego. So, some of them do, some don’t.

Interesting feedback...A few things to take into consideration... The guys lie...If they are from Rio...they have definitely been to the monuments at some point in their lives...they take field trips in school to them in the city... You are very generous and well known now which is the reason for your popularity...That can be a good Or a bad thing... Please and thank you for taking care of anything you may have got from 40 and 18...I don't want to have to worry about diseases being spread from hoeations....