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I was always of the same opinion and expressed it in my reports but to my surprise in May I liked line up at XSize much better. So may be those high prices are reducing number of offs and boys start moving away? Enjoy your time in Pattaya and don't forget to report your findings.

I have no idea, I don't take that ' papa ' as insult at all, I like that boy and his place of work so can take abuse if any, LOL

not only , not only Asians. There are two stunners ( to my eyes of course ) I never offed and I'd be willing to offer 50% bonus to my highest rate if they requested and one I'd be willing to double usual tip but somehow he disappeared when I was there last time but my previous experience with him warrants another run IMNSHO. He was not greedy.

I for one, like shows and consider watching them in company of either one boy from assembly or boy I brought with me or friend from this board one of little pleasures of life. Not as much show itself but whole atmosphere in the bar with smiling boys, excited farangs ans shocked newbies is what draws me to the shows and I try to see one every night . As for prices and budgeting I try to rein my spending but always keep in mind I would not forgive myself at home if I skimped of something I truly liked- years of travelling all over taught me that if you really like something just grab it because it may be gone next time like so many boys we hope to see o the next trip only to arrive and discover they are gone or don't look as attractive like last time. After experience of long trip last December and shorter one in May I noticed that is easier to keep budget on shorter trips surprisingly perhaps as one would think it's easier to let hair loose when only week or two. But even with a bit of relaxed attitude to prices I have my limits and 500 for drink is dangerously close to it. I never paid more than 3000 for long time and only once agreed to 3500 but before we left boy announced that he must go with somebody else so I guess even Guardian Angel tells me that instead crossing the lines I should look for an alternatives

and extend of those services depends mostly of size of your wallet and goodness of your heart

for me in Bangkok Massage or Bonny's , I like shows and boys on the stage but I rather have massage with body contact than a drink with just a view. you are not, 500 is what freelancers at Saranrom are still charging so bars are close to out of hand pricing. Apps have a lot of advantages but actual human interaction is not one of them, not everybody flying 10-20 hours does so in order to spend vacation time on the phone and computer. And after coming that far shows are more interesting then for those who are 2 hrs hop away I'm not sure you realized that all talk here is about XBoys in Bangkok, not Pattaya ones. It was report about show in XBoys Pattaya in one of threads today by Alkoe

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welcome to the forum and hope you will report on your activities and impressions

I'm glad to hear that. great report and nothing wrong with your English. I second your comments about stupid masks, nothing erotic with naked body without a face

I had feeling that bar made a fortune on drinks but no boy was offed, hopefully at least boys were tipped for their trouble.

no need to apologize, nothing offensive in your comment . Don't treat my response as offensive either. I'm one of those you read sometimes about who turned grey almost overnight and for a reason. I keep it that way because I like this new color. I always thought it's funny when people are trying to beautify themselves not to look better but to look younger so no way I'd be doing it to myself, rather I keep what I like. But as you noticed this is personal preference. I'm fortified in that mindframe ever since one of our younger members charitably commented that I still look presentable. I'm pissed off though when one of my regular masseurs calls me 'papa' which I read as 'grandaddy" but he can be easily silenced by severe reduction of tip with explanation why. LOL

I'm glad you joined us here so we can have some window on the 'other ' side of Pattaya. It looks that soi 6 vs. Walking Street is Sunee vs. Boyztown version of the straight world. What boys are doing in soi 6 - ready for gays going astray that far or rather for farang / Asian girls looking for a man ?

best of both worlds perhaps, 2 in 1 ?

completely agree although expected minimum not necessarily is linear. The same boy may expect more from me , prematurely grey haired farang than from say ChristianPFC, much younger guy. More from American or Japanese than from fellow Thai or Chinese. On repeat if you tipped him 1000 previously this is what he will be expecting but may look for 1500 from me because his bar friend told him this is what he got from me last time. I never believed stories of client throwing fistful of notes at boys until I saw it with my very eyes and notes weren't green / 20 / but red / 100 /. Some people just express their feel good factor by throwing money around and still others by trying to squeeze ever single baht not for being cheap but often because they just want to get best deal for a sake of it. you just made my day, the same here. My first off back in 2001 got 2000 baht for short time because I thought that is a standard tip but did not know difference between short and long time. I agree that sometimes boys don't need a money or are acting like they don't. Agree to long time and then leaving under lousy excuse after hour knowing that they get 1/3 of LT tip, I don't even get upset with this anymore.

in market economy no wonder if one of best looking boys in Pattaya, whatever it means, requests triple of going rate and gets it. Fortunately for all , there are plenty of still very good looking boys who may be less demanding.

you better stop and spit it out ! although I must say I'd pay even 500 if there, just out curiosity

Very interesting to see other side. It looks that bar fines in soi 6 are lower than Boyztown's off fees. I would mind to know what tips they expect but don't feel pressed if you don't want to answer. waiting for next installment impationtly

not only you

I guess remote location did not work well for them. It's shame because it was by far best appointed massage place in PTY with reasonable place although I had some mild problems with boy's attitudes on no less than three occasions but still patronized Magnolia every time while in Pattaya.

On leaving bar, with boy or not, I always tip 100 best looking boy on stage, sometimes it will be two or three of them. Waiter gets 20 per serving ie. if he brings two drinks for me and a companion it's still 20 , if I order second drink later it's again 20. Big cock participants if I try the wares 100, fuck show couple 100, boy sitting with me if invited at least 100 , more if we get intimate / generally I don't tough boys THERE in the open but at times it's them who initiate move then need to be rewarded for bravery IMO /

with string of positive reports from the PRINCE we received recently this is most likely thing of the past. Sometimes customer unhappy for valid reason tries to extrapolate his one time bad experience for the whole establishment. It's why I advise everybody contemplating any place just to and see for himself. For me prime example would be SENSO from where we had very mixed reports yet for me every visit was memorable in the best of sense. Sure , prices are high but at least they have something to show for them IMNSHO. Another example would be ARENA in the old location downstairs , yest it was run down but boys smiles and general attitude compensated it for me.

incomplete newbies are even more welcomed !! LOL

all tips are arbitrary, it's their very nature. Soi Twilight boys expect probably more than 1200, soi 6 will be happy with even 1000. If I would be happy with company certainly I tip 2000 for 3 hrs but this is pure theory as I almost never off short time but unfortunately sometimes boys are converting long time to short one using some excuse and learning what undertipping means in the process. Mercifully rarely though. I don't blame boys for trying to extract more and those stories about 5000 may be even true but I don't think they really expect us to be that generous but never hurts to give it a try they may think. But you are right, sometimes those requests may be intimidating if somebody doesn't know how to stand his ground , once I had a case when boy did not want to leave room if not given what he wanted as tip - story described in my Back to Thailand thread from Nov 2013.

you don't feel overwhelmed nor pressed , just write whatever you willing to share and keep private whatever you don't. Don't be afraid to express views which are going against conventional wisdom if you feel like, the same brall3 did today about Hero. Usually everybody praises place but it turns it's not always 5 star. You don't need to like what majority does. It's actually brilliant idea to enter forum with trip report.

for shy types best massage place to ponder choices is Bangkok Massage in soi Twilight. One can park himself at Maxi's across the soi , nurse a drink and see boys without either being bothered or feeling ignored. Senso on another hand is for less shy since lobby is small and boys are very close to customer. But what a sight ! It's just me but I never saw boy there I'd not be willing to use services of.