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oh 12is12, I am so sorry to hear about these disappointments. You had such a great time here in Jomtien / Pattaya - where I believe that there was only 1 disappointment (guy who came was not the one in the Grindr profile). But there was NO yelling and screaming and need to involve hotel security and/or reception. I have never been to this part of the world - Latin America and the Caribbean so I can not express why this kind of behavior is happening. Could it be because poverty has increased in this part of the world and more people than normal find themselves doing this type of work that they do not enjoy and consequently they resort to aggressive behavior as a result ? - with no intention on fulfilling what was promised - as they just want the money and are not interested in the customer being satisfied ?

and for us that live here - this is the dilemma that I cannot understand - how do they survive and break out of the constant poverty due to the variability of their income.

oops, I forgot to add a NEW restaurant that we tried on our first night - which was Racha Buffet, which is next to the One More club on the main road heading south out of the Na Baan port village. https://www.facebook.com/people/บุฟเฟ่ต์ราชาปิ้งย่าง-Racha-Buffet/100066811082230/ This was a NEW concept for me. It is like the MK restaurants Hotpot concept but instead is a BBQ buffet type of restaurant. The front of the place is a HUGE selection of fresh caught seafood and vegetables and eggs, which you select for yourself and place in plastic containers and bring back to your table and you cook them on these very hot BBQ coal fired clay type of ovens. Koh Larn was full of these types of restaurants where the prices were from 280 baht to 299 baht for All-You-Can-Eat!!! Truly a bargain and a fun experience. For our second night restaurant, we returned to the Klom Klom restaurant mentioned at the beginning of this trip report thread. Again, there was a live concert, great food and fancy mixed cocktails. Fun was definitely had by us. https://www.facebook.com/people/กลมกล่อมเกาะล้าน-Klom-Klom-Kohlarn/100064826403085/?mibextid=ZbWKwL

Yesterday 03 Feb 2023, I just returned from my second trip to Koh Larn. I won't repeat any of the above details - as this trip was an 80% repeat of the November 2022 trip. However, I will document below, additional details (as many of you requested) and an additional beach that we went to visit. On the first day, we returned to my still favorite beach, Tien Beach, where I was able to get additional lodging information which I can share with all of you now. There are 4 places for lodging that exist on Tien Beach - of which 1 is closed and out of business - a 2 floor wooden motel like structure. The other 3 are open - of which, 2 are owned by the HardTien restaurant, which are the 2 pirate looking ships that are situated on the northern most part of Tien beach, and the 8 rooms, which are above the HardTien restaurant. And lastly, as reported above at the beginning of this post, there are the 3 lovely bungalows available at: https://www.facebook.com/tiennara.kohlarn/ and for booking: https://reservation.roomscope.com/1694/en --> Note that these 3 bungalows (listed above) are the MOST expensive - at 4,500 baht per night. Below is the business card from the owner of the HardTien. Rooms are 1,800 baht per night - on the steep side - but you are on one of the most beautiful beaches of Koh Larn which is in a secluded and remote part of the island - thus making it extra special and subject to premium pricing. The owner mentioned to us that you can be picked up by one of their private speed boats from the Bali Hai pier in Pattaya and brought directly to Tien Beach (1,800 baht one way). The price is too much in my opinion. Better to take the normal ferry for 30 baht (one way) and then the bahtbus for 30 baht (one way) or via any of the Bali Hai pier normal speedboat s for 150 baht (one way), and then take the bahtbus or rent a motor bike to get to Tien beach. The below HardTien facebook page displays the photos of BOTH the pirate ship rooms (more rugged but more private if you want to have a party and be more intimate) and the rooms that are immediately above the restaurant. These rooms are more "luxurious" - modern than the pirate ship rooms. https://ne-np.facebook.com/people/หาดเทียนเกาะล้าน/100083400457762/?sk=photos I've decided that in the future I will organize an event here with many Thai friends - as I want to spend 2 nights on this fantastic remote beach - to see it in all of its natural glory after the last tourist boats and ferries have all returned back to Pattaya. This Youtuber posted the below video about this place which truly helps to appreciate why I like it so much. Another new discovery that we made at the Tien beach was back in the forest that is behind the beach is a place called, "Goose Beach" and in this large area are the wonderful geese that are let loose onto the main beach once the day trippers have started to return to Pattaya. As we could stay late on the beach, we had the privilege of seeing these geese run around the beach. Our lodging for the 2 nights was in the southern part of Na Baan - the main port village of Koh Larn - at the same place we stayed back in November 2022. Ban Lung Khao - Green Bungalow on the sea rental contact details: https://www.facebook.com/people/บ้านลุงขาว-เกาะล้าน-รีสอร์ท-081-410-5906/100057360703785/?mibextid=ZbWKwL We spent 2 lovely nights here. Bungalow is on concrete stilts above the rocky coast with a direct view onto the Pattaya / Jomtien skyline across the sea. The additional beach that we visited this trip, was the Ta-Yai beach, which is at the extreme northern part of Koh Larn, with a direct view onto Ko Sak island. https://www.facebook.com/tayaibeachclub This beach was very nice but very small and very crowded. In fact, ALL of the beach chairs were already occupied as we arrived around 12 noon. So, I guess you need to arrive early to get good seating. This is mainly a falang beach - as it is serviced by the Ta-Yai Beach club with typical falang/western beach service. Consequently, we did not stay long. We walked to the farthest northern point - beyond the beach chairs - which was very picturesque, where many people were making instagram photos. Unfortunately, one of my 2 Thai friends slipped on the rocks and cut open his foot so we had to wrap it up as best as we could and then head back into the main Na Baan town to go to the main hospital where they treated it - which put a damper onto our 2nd day activities. After the hospital visit, we drove over to the Samae beach and hung out at that beach for the remainder of the afternoon. Ok, this concludes this trip report. Hopefully, it includes the additional information that was asked by many of you that I could only obtain by visiting this wonderful place again.

I was at Bali Hai pier yesterday morning to get a speed boat over to Koh Larn and the pier was very busy. I will report on Koh Larn in a separate thread.

well you did not visit X-Boys as they were definitely naked with their cocks on BIG display. They even did a fuck show where the guy who is being fucked by a stronger guy is brought to your lap - instead of "lap dancing" -->> it is a form of "lap fucking" https://www.facebook.com/xboyspattaya/ https://www.facebook.com/100064714895257/videos/544059427654982

Taking one for the team - I visited the Boyz Music show bar (part time disco) last night - as I had the occassion to visit Boyztown with the partner of @AndyUK, who are here on vacation and we were hanging out in the Jomtien Complex. Here is a picture of their new stage, DJ booth, and upfront seating area. Here is a picture of the bar and the main seating area. Here are 2 pictures of the various drink price lists. Note that drinks for the staff are 350 baht - whereas a beer for you is 200 baht. I had a chance to make a very brief interview with one of the workers there. What time does this place open? 1am What time does this place close? - he would not say it verbally but showed me with his fingers to be 3am. As we know the curfew is 2am. Rumor says that it stays open until 4am. Is there dancing? He replied yes. What kind of music does the DJ play? Techno, house, pop-techno. I said, what about retro music for us falangs? He replied, "can can..." Andy's partner and I, our real mission was to go to X-boys to see their lovely and VERY sexy show. If you want to see big cocks, touch them, fucking, etc. then this is your place. The X-Boys show is MUCH more participatory than the BoyzBoyzBoyz show - which is more industrialized and less hands on. And the BIGGEST plus is the music at X-Boys is loud but tolerable, whereas, the last time I stepped foot in BoyzBoyzBoyz, with visiting member, @spoon was intolerable as they seated us underneath one of their humungous speakers - and I was nauseous, felt pain in my heart as my heart beats were in conflict with the base beats coming from the speaker and I could not hear properly for 3 days afterwards. After our X-Boys fun - we passed by again at the NEW Boyz Music place, and it was about 1:15am and their show was about to show and the go-go guys were up on the stage and 90% were fully clothed and looked like the SAME guys who parade on the BoyzBoyzBoyz stage. We did not stay for the show and we did not stay to see if after the show there was truly the possibility to dance. The music was that techno trash that I do not care much for - as I am more into retro music where there are real people singing and pouring their hearts out - like the great divas - that is mixed well with a nice dance beat. Ok, I took one for the team (this readership) - now it is your turn for one of you night owls who can resist until 4am to tell us what really unveils during the night at the newly reopened Boyz Music show bar / disco - located on the left when entering Boyztown from Second Road.

me too, but I was using my mobile phone and there were no issues and/or warnings. However, on my PC my Browser (Google Chrome) started to install an UpdaterBrowsers.rar - malicious program. I was able to stop it and perform a virus scan - so all is ok. so, as GB said - please wait until Moses resolves this issue and GB gives us the all clear. Cheers, M.

Let's hope that this distinction evaporates and that MORE fun can soon begin in the Jomtien Complex.

Dear TotallyOz, Many thanks to you that we even have this forum to participate in. I am truly indebted to you that you continue to support this forum both financially and from a time commitment point of view. It is truly aporeciated. M.

The entire OpenAI chatGPT and soon Google LaMDA AI technologies are very fascinating. BUT, in terms of the way that humans think and can forecast patterns - the AI is not always accurate or returns incorrect answers / logical predictions. https://www.assemblyai.com/blog/how-chatgpt-actually-works/ However, even with its current shortcomings - I am quite sure that each future iteration will be better than the previous.....

That reminds me of a similar story when I was learning Italian in Italy. Each Monday morning we had to try to say what we did during the weekend. So, I said something like, "Ho scopato tante nuove cose" - I fucked many new things - when I wanted to instead say, "Ho scoperto tante nuove cose" - I discovered many new things.... The teacher barked at me and told me to stay quiet and to sit down!!! I never made that mistake again even if it was not far from the actual reality of my weekend :>))

I also like 3some - massages - 4 hands and I don't like to do it in the massage shop - so I pay a premium over what others here in Pattaya / Jomtien pay to do it in the massage shop. I pay 2.000 baht to each guy - 2 massage guys - so, 4.000 baht. Some will sure SCREAM and say that I am overpaying for this local market but I do not believe so by much more. Here is an example if I do the same thing in a massage shop: 500 paid to the massage shop 1.500 tip paid to guy #1 1.500 tip paid to guy #2 ------ 3.500 to do it at the massage shop instead of the comfort of my home where I control the music, lighting, oils and lotions that we use, what we drink, fun chat time also on my balcony to know the guys better. Also, at home I do not need to worry about some things that freak me out at some of the massage shops; bugs and insects, where do I put my valuables when I take my shower, strange smells, temperature is too hot or too cold, I do not like the music, etc. so, for a 500 baht premium I am VERY happy to "order in" for my massage fun...

please update us about Part II - so we can know how this saga continues - and please ask him why the mamasan forced him back to the bar ?

I personally know how frustrating these vaccine trials can be. After a high % of my friends died from AIDS during the 1980s, I agreed to be a volunteer for the VaxGen 3 year trial period, which if I remember correctly ran from 1998 - 2000. It was also unsuccessful - as it was deemed to be only 17% effective. It was my small way to do something for the loss of life of so many of my friends.

Hi @spoon - do you know if you can dance there ? or is it the ever so typical - falang sit and falang drink type of place ? I saw in one of their pre-Covid videos on their facebook page that people (customers) were dancing - even on the stage :>))

Hi Andy, It depends on what types of guys that you are looking for ? Below is a website of the Jomtien Complex with has various maps of the different types of places (massage, restaurants, bars, etc.) https://www.gaysupertown.com/massage I have only been to 3 of the many massage places - they are indicated below with the orange arrows. For Soda Massage - they tend to be too feminine for my tastes. I prefer more the guys at the Foxy Smile and Pattaya #1 Massage shops. Please note that one of the negatives of the above map is that it excludes ALL of the massage shops that are immediately outside of the Jomtien Complex. There are many - on the street that goes to the beach (Thappraya Road) and also on Jomtien Second Road. The above map lists 10 massage shops but I believe that there is an additional 10 massage shops on the external perimeter of the Jomtien Complex. For short time rooms - I heard that if you ask the host guys in the bars that they would know where the various places are within the Complex (upstairs) and outside of it nearby.

yes, this is my problem because as you know - I am usually in bed by midnight. but, if I knew that this NEW club / disco was really operational and open then I could take a disco nap from 10pm until 12 midnight and then head over to Boyztown to check it out. I would hate to do that and everything is already closed because of the 2am curfew.....

It was reported over in the Sawatdee Gay Thailand forum SGT forum that the former Boyz Music bar / disco has reopened in Pattaya - in BoyzTown. Can anyone confirm ? I checked their former facebook page but it is not updated. https://www.facebook.com/BoyzMusic2019/ Their pre-Covid 2019 information implies that you can dance there and watch their shows. Rumor says that it will open from 1:30am until 4am. (??? special license since the normal closing time is 2am ???)

Great report kn5. please keep your updates cumming - as I like the way that you are presenting your trip report to all of us. enjoy!!

wow - so sexy - I would not mind those guys calling me Uncle - What kind of desserts do they look for ?

How do you guys feel when the Thais call us "Uncle" ? it took me a while to get used to it....

He is Yummy!! hmmm, after meeting you - you definitely did not come across as an introvert - I mean in a positive way of course. :>)))

Vinapu, this is VERY good advice. I have had 2 separate occasions that I can remember where I was hungry before a scheduled massage and I ate. That is a BIG no-no. During the massage I felt like I was going to vomit several times depending on where the masseur(s) were pressing on my body. At one point, I had to tell the masseur that I was getting off of the massage table as I felt like I would vomit - he was worried it was him - I said, no, it was my stupidity - I ate shortly before the massage. Anyway, we changed the program around and had the fun part first and then the completion of the massage afterwards and I am happy to say that NO hurls were ejected from my stomach.

Wow Pyrrhus, For a first trip report - it is GREAT!! I truly enjoyed reading it and I cannot wait for the next segment.