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1 hour ago, forky123 said:
You know nothing about me or my politics other than that I think Ukraine has a right to defend itself. You don't know if I am left, right or center. You, on the other hand, support and make excuses for a Putin dictatorship that is threatening nuclear attack, murdering civilians including women and children, destroying civilian infrastructure, targeting hospitals, nuclear power stations, water and sanitation infrastructure as well as other war crimes. That makes you the murderous Nazi.
I don't really care whether you are a Republican or a Democratic or a Whig fascist or that you you can repeat verbatim the regime's current narrative of why we need a WW3. You don't know or want to know the history of the actual facts because you only want to know the facts the regime tells you. You're scared to death to dissent or think independently because that could make you an outcast. You're a 1933 German and you'd gladly light the ovens if the regime told you to. But you'd do it in a rainbow t shirt to show you're cool.
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12 minutes ago, forky123 said:
Your idea of a fascist is someone that disagrees with you.
Your constant looking for images of war and death and fantasies about old men masturbating to them is the sign of a very sick mind.
my idea of fascism is the definition of fascism. and fascist robots like you who don't care how many people you kill are the smug evil that will come back on all of us.
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8 minutes ago, forky123 said:
In case you didn't notice. You're the only sick fuck who goes looking for such things. Get help, you need it.
someone has to confront fascists with what your support of war and death looks like.
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1 hour ago, Marc in Calif said:
Yes, I mentioned specifically the case of the three political operatives. They were paid by Yeltsin. Of course there were others, perhaps paid directly by the US government.
I was responding to the comment that "Putin and Yeltsin were supported financially heavily by the US in the elections..."
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2020-11-02/putin-clinton-transitions
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1 hour ago, unicorn said:
And, of course, the US bankrolled the KGB/FSB czar to lead Russia. Nuttiest stuff I've ever read.
It's nutty to you because you're so far out of touch with reality. As many are unfortunately because of censorship and propaganda narratives 24/7. Germans felt exactly the same way in 1933 so you're not alone. In 2023 the narrative is all that matters and becomes the Truth. But your support of death and killing will come back on you as it did the Germans.
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1 hour ago, unicorn said:
And, of course, the US bankrolled the KGB/FSB czar to lead Russia. Nuttiest stuff I've ever read.
If you don't know anything about the 1996 Russian election why do you assume it didn't happen? Is it because that's not in your mind-programming the regime finds convenient? If it's not in the current best narrative spin it didn't happen? An unquestioning cog is a happy cog ?
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1 hour ago, Marc in Calif said:
Yes, I mentioned specifically the case of the three political operatives. They were paid by Yeltsin. Of course there were others, perhaps paid directly by the US government.
I was responding to the comment that "Putin and Yeltsin were supported financially heavily by the US in the elections..."
I don't think it was much of a secret that the Clinton administration pulled out all stops to get Yeltsin and his deputy Putin elected in the 1996 Russian elections over the communists. Even today there are still articles one is allowed to find on google that speak of how many "private" interests funneled money to them in the election and how Clinton promised $1.6 billion in aid to Russia to help them get elected over the communists. At that time they both were eager to join NATO and mesh in with western society as fast as possible and American corporations were buying up Russian companies at rock bottom prices with Yeltsin and Putin's blessing.
Afterward is when the US pulled the rug out from under Russia and decided that not only must the Soviet Union be dissolved but that Russia itself must be destroyed, like Iraq, as a functioning powerful rival to US interests in the region (and the world). The destruction of Russia has evolved into official US policy today. Even Chekov and Tchaikovsky are banned in the hate Russia narrative. The war with Russia is fast passing any rivalry or containment phase into actual hot war. I personally see it as analogous to WW1 when the stalemate was untenable to the west and America went in to force an unjust peace that led a few years later into the deaths of tens of millions in WW2. And I personally also see it as ironic that the west's probable best hope in the future war with China is an alliance of the US and Russia including Europe against China. The "encirclement" of China with US allies is failing miserably. Forcing Russia into China's arms as an ally is going to become the latest really stupid strategy of American "strategists". And that's saying a lot as arrogant and stupid as they've become.
But I get really mad at my country continually starting these major wars and killing millions of people in furtherance of these nebulous "American interests" Albright talked about justifying killing a half-million babies.
Yes, Yeltsin and Putin were our boys.
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and something for the joy fascists get from the grief instilled in any of those who dare stand in the way of the empire. Dead babies do it best , as you know, and as our beloved Secretary of State Madeline Albright said, sometimes a half million dead babies are just justified in furthering American interests.
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1 hour ago, caeron said:
Wow. You think that Russians think that Putin is weak? You think we installed him? You think those kids you claim to know volunteered because they think their leader is weak? Do you even listen to yourself?
I hope your tin foil hat protects you from the mind control rays. You're too busy diddling your own conspiracy theories to see what's right in front of you. Putin is telling you, repeatedly, with his public words who he is. He is telling you he is a strong man who wants to reclaim the lost Soviet Empire. But, you're rather jerk off to your fantasies about what is happening rather than look at what is right in front of you. Read Putin's own fucking words.
Thank you software for the block feature. Like most conspiracy theorists I'm sure you believe you have 'hidden insight' into the unrevealed secrets of the world. It's an essential feature of the conspiracist to self-congratulatorily believe they see what nobody else understands. To the rest of us, you're a crazy person barking at the moon.
You've taken a couple of right statements and spun them into a web of utter bullshit. Good bye.
Putin and Yeltsin were supported financially heavily by the US in the elections to defeat the communists. Polls in Russia show strong support for Russian action in Donbas. Both are easy enough to google if you aren't a brainwashed war robot. You're personally a very obnoxious person in the way you attack personally online instead of discussing issues. Facts don't support your poisonous hate so you spew venom. Typical.
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8 minutes ago, caeron said:
War sucks. America's record is nothing to be proud of. We get fed a lot of propaganda about how great and noble and pure we are. We aren't. We're pretty mud splattered with espoused ideals that we frequently fail to live up to. Hell, right now many republicans don't even bother to espouse the ideals of democracy and freedom.
But, Putin is a monster, and those in Russia who elected him repeatedly until he became absolute dictator, and then believe the lies they are told get to live the consequences of that. Kids in Russia who volunteer based on their idiocy reap the consequences of that idiocy.
I will never understand people's love of 'strong men'. Why is it that people think that if they give all the power to the biggest bully around that it will end well for anybody except the bully?
Putin is a weak leader who was installed by the US as a puppet and he is seen as weak by the Russian people. He did nothing when the US killed 200 Russians in one day when they attacked ISIS. He played around with Trump when the US did that and while Zelensky was killing 14,000 ethnic Russians in Donbas. The opposition to him is much harsher on the war with the US and Ukraine. Be careful what you wish for.
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The nice thing about the CIA running the news (excuse me, ex-CIA officers being the political writers) at the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, etc is that the subscriptions are now $1. Much cheaper than before they were regime -run. Cheap Wordle !
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4 hours ago, unicorn said:
Dude. You previously promoted the idea that elections are freer in Russia than they are in the USA, now you're saying the press is freer in Russia? The country in which countless reporters (and others) who have been critical of the government get unceremoniously thrown out of windows, poisoned, and shot? That's not even mentioning what happens to even apolitical gay people. If that's really what you believe, I really don't understand why you don't live there. You can't seem to explain the contradiction between your words and your deeds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia
"Russia's 'highest-earning elected politician' who had criticized Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine has been found dead after a mysterious fall from a hotel in India. Sausage multi-millionaire Pavel Antov, from the main pro-Putin party United Russia, had been on a trip to celebrate his upcoming 66th birthday. A male friend in his party had died 'from a heart attack' on Thursday last week, and the wealthy politician perished two days later...".
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/21/604497554/why-do-russian-journalists-keep-falling
https://www.newsweek.com/russians-keep-mysteriously-falling-windows-deaths-1738954
"Ravil Maganov, who was chairman of Lukoil, Russia's second-largest oil producer and biggest private oil company, was found dead on September 1. According to reports from Russian media outlets, he had fallen from the window of a hospital in Moscow. Russia's Interfax news agency said Maganov "fell from a window at Central Clinical Hospital and died from injuries sustained." But the reports did not explain why Maganov was in the hospital...".
your quote: "Dude. You previously promoted the idea that elections are freer in Russia than they are in the USA, now you're saying the press is freer in Russia?"
I never said elections are freer or the press is freer in Russia or China or anywhere. Your mind is wandering or you're hallucinating or something. Maybe all the government brainwashing has got your mind on spin cycle. Where are my quotes on that? You accuse me of saying something I never said.
What I will say is that the press and freedom of speech and thought is much less free in America than it used to be and for that we Americans are losing our uniqueness in the world and becoming much more like the other centralized totalitarian countries. You prefer to think what your government tells you to think and only know what it approves you to know. I'm sure that's comforting. It was in Germany and in the US leading up to Vietnam and Iraq. And it makes for an easy-flowing society with all one idea of what is "true". Maybe a "Ministry of Truth" like our government recently proposed. I bet Russia China and a host of countries sadly have those.
I'd rather take the harder road of knowing the facts and having access to them and a number of opinions and ideas to consider. That pragmatism is what made America great and made people want to come here and great things happen here. Not becoming robots for the state and silencing different ideas and experiments with different methods. Sadly, I fear America will devolve rapidly now into just another totalitarian state. Most nations have. And they're usually more efficient. Or at least easier to run. Every day our regime media minders will put out the daily spin of truth to be easy memorized by continual repetitions during the narrative cycle. It works for selling detergent and hamburgers. Why not wars? That's what we're in. Of course Sadaam has weapons of mass destruction, everyone and every news channel knows that. And killing a half million babies will slow him down. Everyone knows that. The government says it so it's true and all the pro-war media says it's true too.
Noam Chomsky recently said the US has become the most propagandized nation because we don't realize we're being propagandized. People in Russia and China know they are. Even people in Europe know their governments conceal and lie. But we haven't caught on yet and that's why it's more dangerous here. On top of the desire to fit in and believe like everyone else, we're also still more gullible.
You prefer to believe the government "truth" because it's more comfortable. That comfort isn't worth killing people in wars to me.
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14 hours ago, vinapu said:
Crimea ? not that many hundreds , perhpas 240 and it was were conquered after chasing away Tatars from there. It's just Russian war trophy
Budapest belonged to Turkey 160 years from 1526 . Would you argue that Turkey has right to invade Hungary and reconquer it ?
Kaliningrad never belonged to Russia but it does now and nobody is questioning it
so if Scotland votes for independence from UK you'd be fine with killing tens of thousands of Scots to prevent that separation?
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1 minute ago, unicorn said:
Factually wrong, as I'm fairly sure you know. First of all, the "vote" in the Donbas occurred only after the Russian invasion, with "voters" under the watchful eyes of armed Russian soldiers.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/23/europe/occupied-ukraine-referendum-russia-intl-hnk/index.html
Secondly, that agreement was never passed in the first place:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_settlement_of_political_crisis_in_Ukraine
Russian Federation:
Refused to signWhat Russia did agree to was to respect the 1994 borders in return for Ukraine surrendering their nuclear weapons to Russia:
According to the three memoranda,[6] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia, and that they agreed to the following:
Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[7]
Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory.
Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the signatory of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against the signatory.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitmentsYou really don't know anything about Ukraine pre-2022 do you? that's all the regime tells you and thinks you should know. There were votes years before in 7 provinces and in Luhansk and Donetsk there were overwhelming votes to leave Ukraine in heavily attended province-run elections. The other 5 called their vote off or voted to stay in Ukraine. Ukraine's response was to send troops in (the Nazi Azov Battalion) to kill 14,000 people in the separatist area. Separatists were dragged out in public for executions. There's a famous one of a mayor and his wife being hung on a gallows. Bodies of killed young men were left on their parents' doorsteps. Charming group that Nazi Azov Battalion.
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41 minutes ago, forrestreid said:
This is very much the Russian imperialistic view of Ukraine history.
I am not really read up enough on it to argue against it, but I must say it is rather strange that somebody claiming to be opposed to the war from what one might call a US leftist-pacifist point of view should trot out these arguments.
few Americans know where Ukraine is , much less Crimea, and somehow I doubt many would give there own lives or treasure to re-capture Crimea for Ukraine to again kill people in. my guess is the number who think that is worth a nuclear war and death of most Americans is pretty low--outside DC. the war crowd thinks differently here and it controls both fake "parties".
the sole purpose of the US in Ukraine is to keep the war and the killing going as long as possible to weaken Russia.as a rival. All Russians know this and the US regime admits it's purpose is the destruction of Russia as a power as it destroyed Iraq as a power in the middle East. the worst possible outcome for America would be peace. We pay Ukrainians well to die for our proxy war. thinking Putin is too much of a weakling to strike back at the US. If they're wrong we all die, not just a lot of Russians and Ukrainians. In the meantime the war drumbeat goes 24/7 on the CIA-controlled press and any dissent will be silenced by steadily harsher methods. The Goebbels method. All power to the state and all good citizens of the same mind. Mind control makes governing much easier.
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1 minute ago, forrestreid said:
When did this invasion happen?
Zelensky did not regain an inch of the Donbas for Ukraine prior to February 2022, although there was occasional flare-ups of fighting and shelling at the front line during his Presidency, as there had been several times since 2014.
The deaths caused by these flare-ups were much lower that the average casualties at the front between 2014 and when Zelensky was inaugurated.
If you mean after February 2022, you are talking about the Zelensky leading the fightback of the Russian invasion of that month, to call THAT an invasion of Donbas is self-evidently ludicrous.
between 2014 and the 2022 Russian invasion 14,000 people were killed in Donbas. mostly by Ukraine troops that were supposed to have been withdrawn under the Minsk treaty. Russia was helping the rebels and many individual Russians volunteered and fought there, but the civilian death toll in Donbas from the Ukraine army was the was the reason public opinion in Russia was demanding Putin do something. It's always censored from us in the US as is the fact that today and everyday the Ukraine army shells and kills civilians in Donbas on purpose. The misery of people in Donbas from Ukraine shelling is just as great as the misery by shelling of Russians on Ukraine. I have friends from both sides in Prague and there is no "good" actor here. And the sole goal of the US is to keep the war and killing going as long as possible.
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IDK if true but I was told in Medellin that guys like Americans with body hair because it's more unusual there. ymmv (I'm not hairy so at least I have another excuse there). I do like the prevalent smooth muscular tan bodies there.
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1 hour ago, lookin said:
If that's true, and you sure know a lot more of the history than I do, a ceasefire makes a lot of sense. It also makes sense just to stop the destruction of communities and whole cities. No one should have to live with bombs going off around them all day. And I sure can't say that sending weapons to Ukraine is doing anything to stop this destruction. Unless one day Putin decides to call everyone back home and let Ukraine start to rebuild. I guess that's the only hope and, as of today, it seems pretty much of a long shot.
Im my opinion, I think the U. S. had a better standing in the world when it was begged to intervene rather than when it waded in uninvited and certainly when it waded in to gain more power. Power, in my opinion, is something to be avoided and handled judiciously when it can't be avoided.
I guess it's possible to stop sending arms to Ukraine and ask our allies to do the same. It would also be possible to look the other way if Putin starts bombing every other country that he sees as part of Mother Russia. We could just wait to see what happens. We could even further that approach and become neutral, isolationist and uninvolved anywhere outside our borders. That was the position of the US throughout much of its history, and it could be again.
We could also stop funding the military and start dismantling our nuclear arsenal. We could keep our fingers crossed that no other country would walk, float and fly in to help themselves to whatever they like. Personally, I wouldn't kill anybody over ownership of a laptop or even a house. I expect most of my fellow humans feel the same way.
Here at home, I can vote and support leaders who share my values. But I can't vote Putin out, no matter how many lives he destroys. It seems my only tool, besides denial, is to support those who want to get rid of him.
Not a good option, and I'm sure I'm missing some better ones.
The South Vietnamese government urged us into Vietnam and that justified us exterminating 7 million Vietnamese. We went into Iraq because "we'd be seen as liberators" giving them democracy and promptly killed a million Iraqis. We sent money and weapons to Ukraine to "liberate" the Dombas which had left Ukraine in 2014, with a signed treaty even, and we helped them kill 14,000 people. People who think the US does anything for benevolent reasons would probably buy bridges too.
The US wanted this war and paid well to get it. It wants Russia diminished as a world power and that includes a lot of dead Russians with collateral damage of a lot of dead Ukrainians (we'll pay them well for their lives of course because we're their friend). The global strategy also includes protecting America from China (on the other side of the globe !) by surrounding it with our allies. Whatever the cost.
This has nothing to do with Putin. He's the most pro-American Russian. Under Clinton we spent a fortune getting him and Yeltsin in power and defeating the Communists. And he regularly gave the Clintons million dollar checks back.(then he stopped and Hillary went berserk). The other Russian leaders are much more anti-American than Putin and he's criticized there as an American puppet for his weakness to challenge the US. Even the "liberal" opposition calls him weak on doing things in Ukraine. The man didn't say a thing when the US killed 200 Russian soldiers in one day while we were protecting ISIS. What American president could stay if Russia or China killed 200 US soldiers in one day and that president did nothing?
IDK if hoping someone else comes in is a good idea dealing with a country that has 6000 nuclear weapons pointed at the US and hypersonic missles (which we don't have) to deliver them undetected in 15 minutes. Most Americans would be dead in 15 minutes from their launch in Russia and we wouldn't know they were coming. The "nuclear war" clock has been moved to seconds from midnight lately. Until Putin, Russia's never been a country to back down in humiliation as he's done to the US. Ask Napoleon and Hitler. The choice to Putin is probably someone with redlines we've already crossed. And support for the Dombas intervention is very high in Russia. The alternative if Russia pulled out would be more slaughter of people in Donbas by the Ukrainians. That's what Putin has to fear at home, not some American puppet coming to power. Historically for Russia, he's a very weak coward in always backing down to the US. Frankly I was shocked when he didn't have to step down after disclosure of the US killing those 200 Russians in one day.
I know plenty of Ukrainians from Dombas in Prague and I had to break from the rabid government shills here because it's a very complex thing that has killed many people. The fascist government here takes advantage of people not having any knowledge of Ukraine. But yes, the US policy is to cause as much death and destruction as possible for as long as possible to bring down the power of the Russian nation. We just lucked up on Ukraine being willing to use their people as cannon fodder for us. But we'll pay them well for their lives. In the meantime WW3 is closer everyday and getting more certain. Maybe nuclear winter will help against global warming. Maybe that's the plan.
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2 hours ago, unicorn said:
You speak as a shill for RT, and it sounds as though you'd be happier living in Russia, which might be a good idea.
This.
This is what Germans who opposed Hitler had to deal with, this is what Americans who opposed the VietNam War and the Iraq War had to deal with, this is what southerners who opposed segregation had to deal with, what Americans who supported gay rights had to deal with, and it rears it's ugly head every time there's dissent to doing something obviously wrong because "everyone knows it's right", "everyone knows the facts", "are you a traitor or a patriot to your country?"
Whatever you want to think, I am proudly an American born and raised here for many generations. That doesn't mean I have to like my government or make excuses for it if it's doing evil things. If anything if you love your country you should want it to be a free open society with free speech, including dissent, not just parroting government propaganda to conform and be accepted and make life easier for yourself. Yes it's easier for a country to govern when there's no dissent and everyone thinks the same. Yes, that's a good argument for news cycle propaganda narratives and censorship of news and facts. No, that's not a type government I want here and hope Russians and French and Chinese and Australians feel the same in their countries.
Saying someone doesn't belong in their own country anymore because they don't support evil things their government does is not exactly novel.
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58 minutes ago, unicorn said:
You're stating the complete opposite of the truth. The truth is that Russia and Ukraine signed a treaty in which Ukraine got rid of its nukes in exchange for Russia accepting Urkaine's borders, then Russia (Putin) invaded Ukraine--first Crimea and then eastern Ukraine. As you know, not only have Ukrainians not persecuted Jews, but they elected one for President. You speak as a shill for RT, and it sounds as though you'd be happier living in Russia, which might be a good idea.
Ukraine signed a treaty in 2014 to end the civil war in Dombas after voters overwhelmingly voted for separation in two provinces (other provinces voted to stay in Ukraine). Angela Merkel recently said the treaty was a farce to give Zelensky time to get US weapons to invade Donbas. He did get the weapons and he did invade Donbas and 14,000 human beings were killed by his revoking the peace treaty. The separation of the Soviet Ukrainian Republic from Russia has zero to do with any of this except the borders were never historic Ukraine. Crimea, Yalta, Odessa have been Russian for hundreds of years. Catherine the Great built Odessa. The Russian nationality began in Kiev. People in Donbas despise western Ukrainians who they consider country bumpkins and who killed many Russians in World War 2 fighting for the Nazis. The national hero of Ukraine with portraits in every post office, school and office building is Bandera, the leader of the Ukraine nazis in WW2 and most Ukrainian soldiers for the Azov Battalion have nazi tattoos. Zelensky is indeed a secular Jew and has a $15 million beach house in Israel purchased with bribes from the US.
I support a ceasefire in this stalemate which has frozen pretty much along the lines of the provinces that wanted out of Ukraine originally and which the 2014 treaty was to establish as autonomous. Not because I'm pro Putin or anti Zelinsky or a socialist or any other reason than that my country is obviously trying to extend the war and suffering and death for all thinking it will weaken Russia as an alternative power to US world dominance. But to urge continuation of killing for power ambition is unconscionable. These are human beings being used by the fascist state we've unfortunately devolved into. Yes, it's easy to run a country where everyone is indoctrinated with the same propaganda day after day and there's group think as opposed to access to facts. I'm personally not going to submit to that mindless acceptance of group think because it causes killing people marked as the inhumane "enemy" to be exterminated (for their own good- like the Vietnamese). It's a shame America has devolved into a fascist totalitarian 24-7 propaganda state with heavy censorship and canceling of people who have different views. But it's killing spree has to end. Death of every person in America in the coming nuclear war is not worth giving into the urge to belong and be silent, even if you support wars and killing lots of "them".
Here's your Azov battalion.
You know you lost the war when they laugh in your face
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but as I remember Clinton did push through before the election a $1.6 Billion "AID" package for Russia or something. There was a lot of disappointment with Russians that the US was not accepting their offer to join NATO and other western organizations after Gorby had pretty much given away everything there was to give (including eastern Ukraine). They were really worried the communists would be voted back in. Yeltsin and Putin had to appear to denounce Gorby to have a chance. In 2020 Putin had to denounce him to win. Then the US made a conscious decision it wanted Russia as an enemy not a friend. Ridiculous. .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/04/05/yeltsin-gets-16-billion-in-us-aid/8f07ebfc-97bd-41aa-b93a-7c26cb495880/