[What’s with the Indians?]

I was in Toy Boy Boyztown tonight. There were 2 Indians guys who came in together and they ordered one single beer to share between them. 

After they left, another pair of young Indians in their 20s came in. The way the female clung to her companion, it looked like they are a couple. And the guy carried with him a half-finished beer bottle. 

They sat down, gawking at boys in underwear on stage for a few minutes while the guy continued to finish his own beer, ignoring the waiter literally shoving the bar’s menu to his face. Then they stood up and left. The remaining customers looked at each other like what the hell just happened.

Maybe the business was so slow the bar tolerated such behaviors. It’s sad.

[Min's tidbits about my Thailand and Vietnam experiences]

11 hours ago, BiggusDikkus said:

I was wondering the exact same thing right before reading this parenthetical note.

Are you holding a big Zero right now

8 hours ago, jason1975 said:

You should ask for the twinkish waiters!

8 hours ago, jason1975 said:

It's also possible that customer doesn't know Korn well enough. Korn is a recent addition to the Moonlight model line up.

At any rate, I felt bad for Korn too, but not bad enough to cough up 1000B just to help him save some face.

54 minutes ago, spoon said:

Or is it another planted tipping garlands someone mentioned before? Left one guy in hope other customer feel the need to tip that poor guy? Hehe. 

You made life too complicated man!

[Min's tidbits about my Thailand and Vietnam experiences]

5 minutes ago, khaolakguy said:

all condomed up so customers could later touch them after the show.

....

Slightly weirdly he was happy to suck said cock without a condom, but wanted a condom on his own if I was to suck that! Perhaps the performers are so used to a latex barrier between themselves and customers that is their best way to get it up.

Actually, the main purpose of wearing a condom during a show is the particular knot they made at the base of their penis to wrap the condom tightly around it so that it could stay hard for long. Certain straight boys may also use the same trick to keep it up during his sessions with a customer.

[Min's tidbits about my Thailand and Vietnam experiences]

3 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

Offers of 15,000 baht !!!😳,I wouldn't even offer Justin Bieber that 

 

Just out of idle curiosity, what would you offer Justin Bieber then?

1 hour ago, floridarob said:

First time, I thought it was a comedy skit, something you'd see on old time TV.

Speaking of comedy, did you see that ridiculous big cock show in the New Dream Boy, where all the guys drag (wigs, skirts and all), stumbling around on high heels with their cock picking out under the skirt?

[Min's tidbits about my Thailand and Vietnam experiences]

17 minutes ago, Olddaddy said:

Offers of 15,000 baht !!!😳😳

Must be a lot of farangs with money to throw around ,I wouldn't even offer Justin Bieber that 

 

I think it should be a Japanese customer

12 minutes ago, reader said:

I estimate the number of guys on stage at one time or another at Freshboys Saturday night at about 18 (give or take a few). I understand a few had been offed prior to show.

I guessed Saturday would always be busier. My last three visits in August and October (all week-day), there were never more than 12, and the bouncer also admitted they lost quite a few boys to competitors.

[Min's tidbits about my Thailand and Vietnam experiences]

(part 14) Back to the tidbit format

1. On my way to the Silom Square Market, when I walked past the small alley where Super A used to be, I noticed out of the corner of my eye some colorful but whore-ish lights. Made a turn to investigate and indeed Super A is back to business. @a-447 would be on cloud nine when he heard it. It was still quite early and there were only three boys inside, none got my attention. Told Mamasan I would be back. 

I did the next day at a much later time (around 11.30 pm). Opened the door by myself, saw no one around, no Mamasans, no bouncers, no boys, except for one, who was snoring on the couch. Kinda hoped I would see the line-up @readertalked about in his related thread.

2. When I was last in Bangkok late August, I noticed Banana Room in Silom Soi 4 started some sort of recruitment campaigns to attract more boys to their posse. Their boy number literally more than doubled overnight, and I could pick out familiar faces from Hotmale, Dream Boy and, in particular, Fresh Boys. However, larger quantity doesn't necessarily mean better quality. None of their boys (old or new) stood out to me, a customer who's deeply entrenched in the twink tribe.

Nearly two months later, Banana Room still manages to keep a cast of quite decent size, enough to fill their small stage in three rows. After making my ususal rounds of bar hopping, I see that some new recruits already returned to their old bar of Dream Boy, which still boasts the most impressive collection in the soi in terms of boy number, variety and well, cock size. Fresh Boy, on the other hand, never quite recovered. They appear not to be able to stop the talent bleeding, and now have barely a dozen boy each night (versa around 25 to 30 in early August). Since they lost quite a few big-cock stars to both Banana Room and Dream Boy, their Big Cock show should be renamed to "I wish I were Bigger". 

This should be a sign of alarm as we all know the vicious cycle: as boys flock to the bar with more business and customers flock to the bar with more boys, fewer boys means less business, which means even fewer boys. Fresh Boy's problems may also mean Screw Boy would not re-open any time soon.

4. Speaking of which, New Twilight is in serious troubles. When I checked in around 11.30 pm one night, I saw no customers and also no boys sitting around. Their big pageant-style stage looks so hollow and empty, it's just sad. Mamasan told me their show already finished (but I doubt if there were any shows that night or even any customers for that matter) and if I'm interested, take a seat, he'll "whipped up" some boys for me to look at. I shook my head and walked back to the above-mentioned Super A, which fared a little better with one boy sound asleep on the couch.

5. While the twink quantity and quality has declined in all the Bangkok go-go bars I visited this week, the good news is a reverse trend can be seen in near-by massage parlors. I saw more than ever younger and twinkier masseurs in all the shops in that massage cluster at the entrance of Silom Soi 6.

Best Massage in Silom Plaza (the one downstairs from Arena) has an all-male, mostly twinky staff in their late teens or early 20s, from which I could pick at least three to my taste. That's a new record for me, considering they currently only have about 7 to 8 masseurs.

6. My last night in Bangkok, I asked Boy 26 (reported in parts 8 and 10, his tag number in Dream Boy was later changed though) to join me for my last round through Silom Soi 4 - Patpong 2 - Moonlight - Hotel bedroom. 

In Moonlight, I spotted a former porn star standing on stage when I walked in. 

For a minute contemplated hiring him to re-create my favorite scene from Doctor Twink but decided against it. I'm no pornstar-cum-doctor material. By the way, the boy now looked more haggard and weather-beaten despite heavy make-up, his silky smooth complexion gone, and he also got a new nose. The only thing remaining more or less the same is his soulful eyes, which I love.

To me, his original straight-bridge nose was really cute and suited his twinky look perfectly. Why he needed something with an even taller bridge and too "bulky" for his face? 

Speaking of which, Boy No 26's boyfriend also got a new nose last month, which cost him 8000B but IMHO doesn't do him any favors either. 

I asked Boy No 26 if he's going to get a new nose too and he said he considered it but too scared of getting hurt. Boy No 26 then gave me his own advice: your nose already looks nice, don't waste money on changing it. I think I'm gonna up his tip this time 😇.

There were 6 models that night in Moonlight (Babe and Nicky were nowhere to be seen). At the end of their lining up on stage, something unusual happened. There was a big spender in the house, who presented EACH model a shot of whisky and a 1000B garland. It was the only tip of any kind the models received that night (as far as I can see). First Smarch, then Nut, Tum, York, and then Mark (their respective order in line if memory serves) all got it - drinking their shot and flaunting a garland around their neck. Finally, it's Korn's turn an there were no more whisky and garland. It was awkward. I can see Korn turned pale right there under his makeup. Face is a big thing in Thailand, and that looked like real slap in the face.

Boy No 26 leaned toward me and whispered "Why the last one don't have?"

Well, your guess is as good as Korn's. My theory is that a former customer held a grudge against Korn and did so just to spite him. A costly 5000B slap. Of course, it could simply be that the customer ran out of 1000B notes so the one at the end of the line becomes the unlucky duck. 

7. Before I headed out to clubs with Boy No 26 for my last night in town, I opened my for-whoring-activity-only email to book a taxi to Pattaya and saw that I got a message from @vinapu who just touched down in Bangkok two days ago. It was too late, it's my last night and I'm about to meet with my boy du jour.

No time planning for a meeting so I set off a bit early, stopping by both Soi 4 and Patpong 2 on a slim chance I might catch a glimpse of my orgy-ology professor and say hi. I also checked with Tiny Lao (reported in part 7), who confirmed in not so many words that Mr. KFC is indeed back and the whole soi is still celebrating, boys rushing to open new bank accounts, it's a total chaos. 
FYI: Mr. KFC only stopped by Bangkok for one night on his way to Cambodia and he wanted to talk to his student about some whoring experience there (reported in details in parts 3 to 6).

8. Now to Pattaya's news. There is a new boy in Boyz Boyz Boyz, who make waves in Boyztown because he refused to have sex with customers no matter how much money they offered him. The boy is from Chiang Mai and he is really really really good-looking. Yes really. The gay chubby bouncer at the Pikky bar opposite, who shared this piece of intel with me, can't stop gushing about how good looking the boy is. Too bad the boy wasn't working that night so I can't confirm it myself.

Rumor has it, customers were turned down left and right. The highest bidder so far went for 15000B, but the answer was still NO. The boy made it clear he was there to earn money only on tips and drinks, not sex (wonder if adding one more 0 would make any differences). I may come back to Boyz Boyz Boyz to check him out and report back if I have a chance.
 
9. On a sad note, S and his unfriendly boyfriend (reported in details in part 13), who had been together for almost 5 years, broke up just a few weeks after they started working in the same massage shop in Jomtien Complex. S did not respond to my messages, but his boyfriend said they broke up because they couldn't handle being in an exclusive relationship while going with customers at the same time. S is actually the one who has problems. They fought almost every time the boyfriend was back from servicing customers. "I don't want to do this but we really need the money" the boyfriend said. 

That time, I went to watch a show in M2M bar in the complex. Since there was a Thai boy working in that bar, who was offended by my unwarranted joke (reported in

I asked the boyfriend to tag along just to feel safer (S himself had two customers in a row that night and was too tired to go). Somehow, it was interpreted as a date and they had a particularly big fight after that. S even messaged me 2 a.m. in the morning, wanting to talk about it.

"You are not the problem. The problem has been there for some time. And there are other things too." Boyfriend told me in case I feel guilty. They finally broke up a few days later. S said he no longer wanted to do massage work and planned to move back home (I don't know if he did). Boyfriend stays to continue working in his massage shop for now.

(to be continued)

[The return of Super A]

17 hours ago, Patanawet said:

Is 'Super Boy" the same as Super A, first upstairs via  rusty, rickety  cast iron stairs and bridge, then to move down stairs with a permanent water leak and bucket just inside the door?  

I'm not sure about the details but there is a big yellow "A" in the sign post and I talked to the same mamasan (or owner?), who been there before Covid.

[The return of Super A]

Here is a picture taken today

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

2 hours ago, Gaybutton said:

That's because those boys would give kickbacks to the mama-san.  I don't know how much of a kickback they gave or if any of that still goes on today

It's usually 100B for both Bangkok and Pattaya bars, as I was told by various boys from different bars. I even saw a boy from Luck Boys gave mamasan 100B right before he left the bar with me and of course before he received any money from me. I was also told that some boys tried to one-up others by giving mamasan more (like 200B) so the latter would play favorite and push him harder to potential customers.

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

5 minutes ago, 10tazione said:

I can't conclude he said "required" from this screen shot. Sounds like a recommendation from the bar friends or mamasan, and there is nothing wrong with that.

"required" is actually the wording used by another boy (again through translation)

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

9 minutes ago, Gaybutton said:

The bar requires?  For me, that's a new one.  I've never heard of a bar "requiring" anything except its off fee.  In this context who, exactly, is "the bar" and why would the bar give a damn how much the boy gets from an off?

If it's not already obvious, I'll try to explain:  "The bar" is either the mama-san or whoever is in charge of the boys.  "The bar requires" is because whoever is requiring it demands kickbacks - and that is likely whoever is in charge of paying the boys at the end of the month or has some other kind of hold over the boys.  If the boy is really lucky, he might get to keep half for himself.

Yet another reason why I won't take boys off from those kinds of places.

It's hard to say as I usually got this through (google) translation and I also never heard of it before Covid. It seems Pikky and Divarium's owners attempt to enforce a minimum tip level (1500) to make sure their boys are not underpaid. In other words, their boys should not go with customers that offer less than 1500B for short time.

[Bodybuilding Gyms in Bangkok]

@fitboynyc: 

In Silom area, there is Sam Yan Gym in CP Tower that charges 500B for a daily pass. Cheaper you may try Urban Fit Silom by UHG, 350B per day. It's actually a gym inside the Quarter Silom hotel, to which hotel guests have free access. I did use that gym when I stayed in Quarter. It's a bit small but have enough equipment.

There is also Jetts 24 Hour Fitness near Chong Nonsi BTS, which charges the same as Sam Yan (500B/day). If you stay long (more than a week), purchasing a monthly membership should be much cheaper. Since Jetts 24h also have centers around Bangkok and Pattaya, you can have access to all of them with a single membership.

I'm not sure if those gyms are qualified as "body-building" gyms though.

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

31 minutes ago, vinapu said:

I like guy holding sign STOP , one with AGAINST is not bad too

You whoring up everything  in sight 😗

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

2 hours ago, Shonen said:

If I was a mb, I would try to unionize and request payment first like in most other countries. That would give more power to the mb.

We’re very lucky that’s not the case yet. But you never know.

Well, on this trip, three different boys from Pikky and Divarium, when asked how much they expect for a short time, told me 1500B then explained: the bar requires them to ask for at least 1500.

 

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

3 hours ago, vinapu said:

I said it 127 times already my second worst off  and THE BEST were with the same guy perhaps  2 trips apart

It's actually 125 times. I keep count.

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

Thanks everyone for chipping in. As a follow-up, I was in M2M last night for one more show before I leave Pattaya. To be safe, I asked a Thai boy to go with me 😅 

I can confirm that the Hornet guy is indeed working there. This time, I saw him immediately upon entering the bar. He also saw me, then just looked away and I got served by another waiter. So that was that. I was so relieved

Usually I went to M2M just to watch the show and ogle at some cute dancers there. Also the guy in question is quite decent-looking but he wasn't my type. Although he might have gotten my drink orders many times before, we never so much as had eye contact (that why he said "you never look me" in his message). The fact that I had to go back to the bar to be sure it was him just shows how much I actually knew the guy 

At any rate, I have been going to Pattaya for years and became a regular customer of a few boys (never sent anyone any money when I was not in Thailand though as my motto has always been "you have to work for it"). But this is the first time I had problems with someone I didn't even know. I have no intention of getting to know him better or trying to solve our miscommunication. I just wanted to know if I did anything wrong in order to be able to avoid the same mistake in the future.

Thanks @Gaybutton and @gayinpattaya for your shared stories. And I think @PeterRS made a very good point: "unless you know a guy at least a little, joking with Thai boys often backfire" As someone who tend to make unwarranted jokes, I need to keep that in mind.

[Min's tidbits about my Thailand and Vietnam experiences]

7 hours ago, zoomomancs said:

Thank you for a great update. Re the age of consent in Vietnam, does anyone know why Google confusingly says it is 16 and 18? I have had a few fabulous meets in Vietnam and want to stay the right side of the law on my next trip.

@zoomomancs The age of consent is 16, but to provide certain "professional" services, the service provider must be 18 years old or over. That's what makes it confusing.

So if you have a boyfriend, who is 17 and is willing to sleep with you with no money (iPhone should be ok, I think) changed hands, that's no problem.

Like in Thailand, prostitution is "illegal" in Vietnam, so if you are caught red-handed as a paying customer, that's considered a misdemeanor, and you will be fined (not jailed). But if you are caught red-handed paying for someone who's between 16 and 18 years old, it's considered a more serious offense and you face more serious consequences. Of course, if that person is not yet 16 years old, it's statutory rape.

So in principle, you should always stick with boys 18 years old or older and always check their IDs as younger boys frequently lie about their age just to get customers. Since boys in Vietnam often look much younger than their age, you can never be sure (when I was doing my first Master's degree, a lot of people thought I was still in high school and I was always asked for ID entering gay clubs).

There was this money boy in Hanoi, who was only 14 years old at the time but told his customers he's 17. A young guy from the Czech Republic (24 or 25 I think), who had been doing his family business in Vietnam for several years so he spoke decent Vietnamese, was very familiar with the local gay scene and knew a lot of money boys, became the boy in question's regular customer or probably the "so-called" boyfriend (the boy even put a picture of their having dinner together on his FB). Later business wasn't so good so the guy frequently stiffed the boy on his fee. The boy then got his revenge by working with the police to set a trap. The Czech guy received a 10 year sentence and I think he's still in jail as we speak.

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

4 hours ago, speedoo1 said:

young drama guy! better ignore than keep msg bcoz it will only get worse.

He didn't give me that chance though. When I woke up this morning, Hornet noti shows he sent a bunch of additional messages around 3 am but when I logged on to check, his nick was gone. He blocks me and I am still not sure why he was so upset.

[Min's tidbits about my Thailand and Vietnam experiences]

23 hours ago, floridarob said:

How many times we've all had this same thought ....😆

I lost count years ago. How many years? I lost that count too

[First time Pattaya]

On 8/18/2022 at 8:20 PM, ichigo said:

I ordered a pizza from room service (but the pizza comes from a nearby pizza place, not from the hotel) and when it arrived it was absolutely massive. I was proud of myself for eating it all myself lol.

Are we still talking about pizza???😜

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

3 hours ago, vaughn said:

I think he may have been offended when you asked to go with him for free and he agreed then you declined by saying it was a joke.

nuances in English can be easily misinterpreted so 'just joking' could come across as laughing at him or something out of context like that?

I  have had some conversations do complete 180s with some Thai boys because my Australianism expressions don't translate.

That makes sense to me. Maybe he was serious about "going with me for free" and then thought I just treated his intention "as a joke" and him "as toy boy".

The guilt-trip techniques @Olddaddy and @colmx mentioned also seem plausible, but for those to work, I should have gone out with him (paid or not) at least once before the drama right? We hadn't even talked (in real life or on Hornet before), and as he said, I didn't even look at him when I was in the bar.

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

1 hour ago, reader said:

Maybe he misunderstood or misinterpreted "just joking" comment. But look on the bright side: you're loved by someone you obviously made a wonderful initial impression on. That can't be a bad thing. 🙂

I thought those were just the usual pick-up lines bar boys used to get customers. It wasn't until he sounded offended that I realized he probably meant it.

[Why this Thai boy was offended?]

I got a so-called love confession from a bar boy on Hornet. Have some vague ideas who he is from his online pictures. A waiter/host in M2M bar in Jomtien Complex where I frequented many times to watch their show over the last few months. I saw him in the bar but we never actually talked.

I don't even know how to respond further but saying sorry. Still don't understand why he was offended? Did I say something culturally inappropriate? Now I don't even dare to walk past the bar

[First time Pattaya]

On 8/16/2022 at 9:24 AM, aussie_ said:

I worry more about the boy's cock being in his girlfriend's pussy just before going to work at Nice Boys 55

and the girlfriend is having her period.

[First time Pattaya]

On 8/17/2022 at 9:57 AM, numazu said:

$43/night - Baywalk Residence (1500 miles)

$44/night - Aya Boutique Hotel (2000 miles)

$83/night - Avani Pattaya Resort (2500 miles)

Anyone have any insight on any of these three hotels?  I have stayed at the Baywalk and Aya before, but this was 2015-2016 time, so things may have changed since then. I am curious about the Avani Resort, pricier and arguably the least miles for the buck, but I wouldn't mind a little bit of luxury if its worth it. Obviously the joiner situation needs to be liberal. 

Thanks!

@numazu I just stayed three nights in Baywalk last week and seven nights in Avani last month. Both are pretty good, IMHO.

I prefer Baywalk as it checks almost all my boxes (closer to Boyztown and the beach with a sea view restaurant, gym, swimming pool, buffet with unlimited servings of fresh vegetables, spacious rooms, reasonably priced).

Avani is not that luxurious inside the room (certainly not at a four-star level), but it offers a pretty good buffet, a large outdoor swimming pool and a huge Asian-style garden with ponds that you can walk around (Families with kids would love it). Avani also has sea-view rooms (should go with rooms on the left wing as they offer better view) but it cost more (it cost me more than $100 per day for the cheapest sea-view room category)

No problems with guests to the room. Avani sometimes checks for Id, Baywalk wouldn't bother.