Min

what is said waiter will start looking longingly at Min ?
Anyways , at least 3 Vietnamese guys when I was there on Saturday including one I was sitting with and a waiter who was actively soliciting me for tips.

I'm joining long chorus above with the same advice, it's not  a way things are done in Thailand although  when I was whoring locally where I live it was standard practice here.
I was never in 22 trips asked to advance payment by the boy. Only massage places sometimes are asking for payment for massage up front but that's it.
I had a case when mid long time boy asked me for advance partial payment as he was hungry and wanted to go to buy something to eat. I gave him half of negotiated fee hoping he will not show up at all as he smelled like an ashtray up close but after about 1 hr he disappointed me by knocking into door. But he was a gentleman and himself suggested I reduce his final payment because he left me for so long.
It's not to say I did not pay in advance there. When with the guy offed previously  often I put money on the table saying it's for you in the morning but it never resulted in any reduction in services and time - who would risk losing such generous and charming client anyways, LOL

joining the app just yesterday rings yet another alarm bell. DO NOT DO IT. 

It is not normal. Possibly the boy had a bad experience when a cutomer did not pay him after sex.
But that is not your problem.
And anyway maybe he perfomed badly with another customer and non payment or lesser payment was justified.
Leaving payment to the end is an incentive for the boy to do well; paying up front is the opposite.
 
 

Not the Thai way.....that isn't the way the game is played. Take care. An app guy?  

The long is no, do not pay anything in advance.
 I’ve been asked a few times to tip in advance and always refuse.
 

Probably the biggest problem is the language barrier. How to make your intentions clear if you can’t understand each other?
Places like Pattaya or Bangkok will probably be your best chance, where waiters and bellboys in establishments frequented by gay customers probably know the score.
I have read in the past about guys who even managed to hire str8 Muay Thai boxers. However, this was from a place just outside Walking Street in Pattaya.
Until a few years ago there was a bar, located on the left as you exit from Walking St onto Beach Road, which had on the premises a Thai boxing ring. This was intended as an attraction to punters; they had exhibition matches of Thai boxing. The bouts were pretty fake from all accounts.
After the bouts, the guys would go around soliciting tips. If you gave them a few 100 baht tips, it would get their attention.
I remember reading about a guy who started buying them drinks, and eventually after much compliments on how muscular they were, and telling them what a fine "puu chai" man they were, etc, he was successful in enticing them to his hotel hotel for some compensated fun. Not sure if all the guys were up for that option, but that uncertainty was what made it more exciting for those that partook in the chase.
However, I believe that bar is now closed, and your chances of success in this might be somewhat different in the rest of Thailand, most of which wouldn’t happen to have a gay sex district within 200 metres, as that boxing ring had.

Chances are , he did not want. Models at 1000 off fee and presumably expecting higher tip than floor boys are not offed that often

I wouldn't know the regular guys as I had been to Moonlight only once. I judge from watching their videos of featured models and my comments only apply to some of them. Here is a screenshot of Nicky from a video. I wouldn't call him muscular.

I was in M2M, Jomtien Complex, tonight to watch their Monday show. It was good, highly energetic as usual. There is one dancer who looks hot and I think he's also the best dancer of the night. Probably even has some formal training in dancing the way he moves and pirouettes. Just wonder if we have a chance to off a performer from a show? Anybody here tried it?

Le Meridien has been running a very good promotion (during my stay, 2900 baht per night including breakfast which is they say worth 800 bath and also 1000 bath hotel credit per day to spend on drinks, dinner and spa). You should try their Latest Recipe meals, which can be paid by hotel credit.
How could you know it was him? Cuz he was with a muscular guy?
Have any guests to your room ever walked out the door still hungry for more?
Would you off him when you have a chance? It looks like we share the same taste so I may give this bar a try.

Work for me. I seldom did LT. Couldn't remember the last time I did.
Any chance he could be the actual Colonel Sanders in real life?

Le Meridien has been running a very good promotion (during my stay, 2900 baht per night including breakfast which is they say worth 800 bath and also 1000 bath hotel credit per day to spend on drinks, dinner and spa). You should try their Latest Recipe meals, which can be paid by hotel credit.
How could you know it was him? Cuz he was with a muscular guy?
Have any guests to your room ever walked out the door still hungry for more?
Would you off him when you have a chance? It looks like we share the same taste so I may give this bar a try.

Actually, post show, all the performers lined up in front of the bar for pictures, so if you want to tip and talk to any of them, that would be a good time to do it. Too bad, at that point, I had a boy from Hornet who came to my hotel (located just across the alley from the bar) but somehow got lost. So I had to rush out to find him. And then there was this drag queen from the show, who seemed to take a special interest in me for some reasons. Between her stopping me for chat, keeping an eye out for the boy, and using google translation to talk to him on Line, I was in no mind to ask for the dancer's contact.

it can be trained, yes Chang does the trick or even better is award winning Vinapu cocktail consisting 60 % of Gin and 40% of gin
I was the same , now I walk straight to the guy and place note in no other place than deep inside his jeans or briefs and usually I'm applauded by the audience and never had negative reaction from the boy itself so brave yourself

Going by the pics of the gorgeous guy,he does look a bit older so I imagine he speaks relatively good English.
I guess you could even try walking up to the stage and tipping him including your contact number or even inviting him for a drink later.
 
 

Morning of Day 2 was spent at hotel pool. But forgot to put sunblock so was sun burnt. This was why when I went to M-star Massage at about 4pm, i chose the aloe vera massage. I wanted aloe vera to soothe sun burnt skin. 900 baht for 1.5 hour. M-star massage is an all-male massage shop at soi 6. But it is not Arena or Prince. No choosing of guys and there is a rotation system. Only 3 guys when I was there because all the other guys were busy with customers. If only I had gone a bit later, i would have gotten a boyish looking guy seated in his mid-20s and playing on his phone. Instead, i got a guy in his 30s. He took me up the stairs. No available rooms on levels 2, 3 and 4. I saw a customer in towel walking to toilet on level 3. I ended up on top level 5 but these were rooms with shower inside. So good for me. But those steps. Massage was decent. Strong strokes. But massage guy wanted 2000 baht for extras otherwise tip for normal massage is 500 baht. I offered 1000 baht and in the end settled for 1200 baht. Extras was ok but massage guy was straight and so he wasn't sensual enough to make it a more erotic and enjoyable experience. After massage, i showered and went down the tricky stairs. Had to watch my head or else would have bumped against the low ceiling. I was offered jasmine tea and cold towel before leaving. When i came down, i saw the full complement of massage guys on their chairs. They had finished with their customers. About 10 of them, 3 of whom i took a liking. But i wouldn't go back. Not unless i get to choose my massage guy.

You probably should. Pretty decent shows, nice parades of slim fit guys.

I was there last Thursday. The towel dance some members talked about was back  No fucking show, thank God. Boys were in underwear in the pre-show parade (at 10h30) and back to jeans during the mid-show one (at 11h00). Drink was 400B.

Anyway, I found the guys in Jupiter more "model-like" than those in Moonlight. Well-toned, flat stomach, lean but ripped body, nice height/size ratio. Some Moonlight "so-called" models are simply big, or worse, short and big, with some muscle groups over-trained while others under-, fat popping up here and there, especially around the belly area.

I usually go straight to the point "Are you money boy?" especially when the boy has a lot of underwear pictures.

If the boy "seen" but did not respond, or responds with something cryptic, like a period "." or a question mark "?", I rephrase my question to "Do you want sex for money?" and many times they say "yes".

I wouldn't know the regular guys as I had been to Moonlight only once. I judge from watching their videos of featured models and my comments only apply to some of them. Here is a screenshot of Nicky from a video. I wouldn't call him muscular.

You probably should. Pretty decent shows, nice parades of slim fit guys.

I was there last Thursday. The towel dance some members talked about was back  No fucking show, thank God. Boys were in underwear in the pre-show parade (at 10h30) and back to jeans during the mid-show one (at 11h00). Drink was 400B.

Anyway, I found the guys in Jupiter more "model-like" than those in Moonlight. Well-toned, flat stomach, lean but ripped body, nice height/size ratio. Some Moonlight "so-called" models are simply big, or worse, short and big, with some muscle groups over-trained while others under-, fat popping up here and there, especially around the belly area.

Work for me. I seldom did LT. Couldn't remember the last time I did.
Any chance he could be the actual Colonel Sanders in real life?

I was in Winner Boy Bar yesterday, quite early, around 8.30 pm. There were about a dozen boys in underwear and 3 other customers (6 at the time I left). There was one boy, who came to work and stripped down to his undies just to pull up again to go with a customer. It happened that fast

Soft drinks 89B, boy drinks 150B (boys get 50B per drink). You can buy a bucket of ping-pong balls, 20B apiece, and throw them at the boys  Boys get 10B for each ball they get hold of (just to be clear: I'm still talking about the ping-pong balls). 
When I left, there was an elderly farang (the bar owner?) at the door who thanked me for coming.

So far, I never offed any boys from the bar, but like its laid-back atmosphere and also the boy playing-around. Will definitely come back.

Sunee still looked pretty dead even on Sat night. Aside from Winner Boy, there was only one other bar (Euro boys$) open with no customers  

Actually I did the last time I was in M2M before Covid. Asked the waiter about a different dancer (who is also in the show tonight) if "he goes with customers". The waiter said he didn't know so I tipped him to get the dancer to talk to me. He literally dragged the poor boy from backstage  but since the boy didn't speak a word of English, we just smiled at each other for a few awkward seconds and that was that.

Actually I did the last time I was in M2M before Covid. Asked the waiter about a different dancer (who is also in the show tonight) if "he goes with customers". The waiter said he didn't know so I tipped him to get the dancer to talk to me. He literally dragged the poor boy from backstage  but since the boy didn't speak a word of English, we just smiled at each other for a few awkward seconds and that was that.