Members seaeric Posted September 7, 2020 Members Share Posted September 7, 2020 Hi, Can anyone give advice as to hiring online (garotocomlocal, etc.) in Brazil, say in Sao Paulo. I'm confused by what I've read. Is it a no no or is it ok? Is it safe to go to the Garotos place or vice versa? What is the going rate? I've reached out to a couple and had everything from 250 to 500 brl given to me with the average bring 300 (for incalls at their places) There appears to be some very good looking candidates and I'm wondering if this is an ok route, especially if the saunas are a bust. I'm not sure what to do. Also, I don't speak much Portugues. I use Google translate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted September 7, 2020 Members Share Posted September 7, 2020 If you are new to the trade, I would not bring guys to your place, but I would feel 100% safe going to their local. I do not know whether prices in SP are comparable to Rio's. For one hour in theirs or your place, in Rio you pay 200 to 250 for one hour, they also quote lower prices for 30'. Check the info in viva local or any of the other escorts web services: https://www.garotolandia.com.br/saopaulo.html https://www.malicia.com.br/garotos https://search.vivalocal.com/acompanhantes-gays/sao-paulo-capital?lb=new&search=1&start_field=1&sp_personals_age[start]=&sp_personals_age[end]=&sp_common_tags_2[start]=&sp_common_tags_2[end]=&keywords=&cat_1=248&geosearch_text=Sao+Paulo+SP&searchGeoId=164&sp_personals_age[start]=&sp_personals_age[end]=&sp_common_main_type=Homem&sp_common_second_type=&sp_common_tags_2[start]=&sp_common_tags_2[end]=&sp_text_0= https://garotocomlocal.com.br http://www.netgay.com.br/escortsspmenu.asp https://boytoy.com.br/garotos-programa/sao-paulo/ I have perused ads when prepping for my trips, to bookmark boys in case the saunas did not work, but I have never hired (yet. My modern history and experience in Brazil are little, two trips to Rio and one to Salvador) from an escorts website. If you are bookmarking from viva local, write down the numbers. The website does not keep permanent URLs. A tip I got from the boys I have been playing with: most Brazilian porn starts accept programas, but they do not advertise as GPs. They will consider your offer is you reach out th them through the social media. They are in Twitter and IG, Brazilians prefer IG. caeron, LondonF4 and revengeboo 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seaeric Posted September 7, 2020 Author Members Share Posted September 7, 2020 Thank you very much! Very appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riobard Posted September 7, 2020 Members Share Posted September 7, 2020 A fist-bump from some will run you more than a fisting from others. xpaulo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Popular Post SolaceSoul Posted September 7, 2020 Members Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 hours ago, seaeric said: Hi, Can anyone give advice as to hiring online (garotocomlocal, etc.) in Brazil, say in Sao Paulo. I'm confused by what I've read. Is it a no no or is it ok? Is it safe to go to the Garotos place or vice versa? What is the going rate? I've reached out to a couple and had everything from 250 to 500 brl given to me with the average bring 300 (for incalls at their places) There appears to be some very good looking candidates and I'm wondering if this is an ok route, especially if the saunas are a bust. I'm not sure what to do. Also, I don't speak much Portugues. I use Google translate. The advice to go to a Provider’s location instead of having him come to yours was incredibly wrong headed. If you do not know the garoto well, DO NOT do an “in call” (at their place) — especially if you are new to Brazil / the area, or are unfamiliar with the people and the language. There is a lot of really bad advice given at this forum — often by those who portray themselves as experts. But this — recommending visiting a garoto for a programa at his location or apartment — is absolutely one of the worst. If you (understandably) can’t or don’t want to do the programa at your apartment or hotel, then get a room at one of the many “love motels” in the area. It’s what almodt every brasileiro who has a quickie or an affair does with their tricks and mistresses. It’s why the love motels are so common and so popular. They are usually by the hour. And they are much safer. floridarob, snwbrdr015, BlkSuperman and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kena0703 Posted September 7, 2020 Members Share Posted September 7, 2020 I'm new to Brazil as well, first trip this November and also planning to get some garotos online. I see that some airbnbs have security guards and people have to sign in if they want to go in the building, would that be safe enough if I want to bring some boys over? I do agree that going to their locations may be a bit risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riobard Posted September 7, 2020 Members Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) I think many of us want to project expertise and that is much the MO of a message board, but that @SolaceSoul is as interested in inoculating the naïve with respect to exposure to dodgy situations. A few of us are getting a bit frustrated with the failure to integrate the range of personal anecdotal experiential accounts with common sense risk prevention. Sometimes I want to yell and bitchslap individual takes on the question. If you do not take the time to read thoroughly here on the topic, your shortcutting approach may leave you making choices in a way similar to the manner in which rampant pseudoscience is misinforming some folks and widespread collateral damage results in other domains. Forensics principles suggest a bad trade provider won’t kill you in his home because it is easier to deal with leaving your corpse where you live. However, his home may not be his place, and a volatile situation often overrides strategies of evidence attenuation. Getting threatened, harmed, spooked does not favour either domicile so much. If you are asking about security guards, Airbnb, etc, read all the posts here. There is no single correct answer ... it depends depends depends depends depends depends depends ... You may as well watch paint dry as pay attention to one of my personal examples: I tend to make social connections with people in general a few metres from where I stay in any given place. They may be open-minded but should they not raise their eyebrows and be a bit judge-y about the dynamics of sexual tourism, its implicit exploitive potential underscored if parading a cadre of hot young locals to one’s bed? lol Over 5 years I have used the love hotel playbook option. I have had about 5% of my total encounters hosting where I stay but these have been exclusively fellows I know extremely well from 2 Rio clubs and 1 Sampa venue where providers roam on the homo range. Caveat emptor. The prices are so low it is worth the effort to invest financially in some degree of environmental risk mitigation. ———- Not to mention that, in the first place currently wrt Brazil, pandemic pseudoscience may be partly instrumental in influencing judgement about the risks/benefits of visiting and hiring intimacy trade in the near future. Edited September 7, 2020 by Riobard Latbear4blk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted September 7, 2020 Members Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, SolaceSoul said: The advice to go to a Provider’s location instead of having him come to yours was incredibly wrong headed. If you do not know the garoto well, DO NOT do an “in call” (at their place) — especially if you are new to Brazil / the area, or are unfamiliar with the people and the language. There is a lot of really bad advice given at this forum — often by those who portray themselves as experts. But this — recommending visiting a garoto for a programa at his location or apartment — is absolutely one of the worst. If you (understandably) can’t or don’t want to do the programa at your apartment or hotel, then get a room at one of the many “love motels” in the area. It’s what almodt every brasileiro who has a quickie or an affair does with their tricks and mistresses. It’s why the love motels are so common and so popular. They are usually by the hour. And they are much safer. This is actually good advice, despite the shitty attitude. Besides that, I insist on my suggestion, I we are talking about a guy advertising online, I would go to his "local" with no other hesitations that the ones you would have anywhere. As @Riobard wisely states, everything is always depending in the circumstances. Edited September 7, 2020 by Latbear4blk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riobard Posted September 8, 2020 Members Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) It seems apparent that the local punters like to be able to go to their hire’s home. Why else would the ...comlocal be one of the central sites that attract among the most ads? It means ‘with a place’ to play. That may have appeal for locals for privacy and for not spending money on a hotel, and it may be that the lion’s share of tricking for brasileiros occurs with the escort hosting, as opposed to the club settings or love hotels. Just a hypothesis. However, if there is going to be tricky manipulation the foreign national is the most likely candidate targeted by a dodgy provider. The locals and providers likely have a culturally anchored mutual contractual understanding that up-sells are not to be solicited or given in to. A tourist needs time to be able to cultivate the finesse that is often required to navigate a bit of wallet-paring game thrown at him, or an assertion by an escort that various sexual behaviours are offered on a per-cost á la carte basis above and beyond one listed pricetag. Just my opinion, in case it seems ambiguous, I would dissuade a new-ish visitor from going blind to an unknown provider’s stated residence (I did not mean for the context exception to be applied to this option), as well as recommend vetting a provider extensively in person prior to hosting. A 100% record of good uneventful experiences for many here is not transferable or predictive for everybody. It does not mean necessarily that the former group is reckless and cavalier, but advice given to strangers should always be framed according to the principle that the advice solicitor and possible vulnerabilities are largely unknown. If you are seriously mitigating CoV risk exposure you may not want the higher volume of contacts mingling in a club with hireable locals, and you will likely be unable to micromanage having distance from guys you ultimately feel no attraction for. This reality, if you are in inclined to disease exposure caution, lessens the applicability of what is usually a strong recommendation for novices to source hook-ups in the clubs. This standard jumping off point may essentially replace private residence hook-up risk with pandemic-related illness risk. It is not the most opportune time for the average inexperienced visitor to gain traction in sucking all the best marrow from all the best bone. Edited September 8, 2020 by Riobard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Riobard Posted September 8, 2020 Members Share Posted September 8, 2020 It sometimes helps to enjoy flirting and complex propositioning. I have blurred out this example but it was labour-intensive, a gogo who volunteered his number but I had to do the translating both directions as he claimed to not be familiar with a translation app. My time is well-spent and eroticized for me but more of his time was squandered just sealing the deal than was spent doing the agreed deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucknaway1614502762 Posted September 8, 2020 Members Share Posted September 8, 2020 On my first trip, I've met guys from online at my Airbnb, went to a guy's place in Gloria near club 117 and had fun with guys at the sauna. I think after day one i didn't feel like a fish out of water any longer. dingo and Latbear4blk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bucknaway1614502762 Posted September 8, 2020 Members Share Posted September 8, 2020 Oh, one trick I used to not appear as a tourist was to wear a Bluetooth ear bud to listen to Google maps give me directions while walking to places I was unfamiliar with, and to tell me info on my subway trips. dingo and Latbear4blk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoGagSuckerSF Posted September 11, 2020 Members Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 9/7/2020 at 5:12 AM, Latbear4blk said: If you are new to the trade, I would not bring guys to your place, but I would feel 100% safe going to their local. I do not know whether prices in SP are comparable to Rio's. For one hour in theirs or your place, in Rio you pay 200 to 250 for one hour, they also quote lower prices for 30'. Check the info in viva local or any of the other escorts web services: https://www.garotolandia.com.br/saopaulo.html https://www.malicia.com.br/garotos https://search.vivalocal.com/acompanhantes-gays/sao-paulo-capital?lb=new&search=1&start_field=1&sp_personals_age[start]=&sp_personals_age[end]=&sp_common_tags_2[start]=&sp_common_tags_2[end]=&keywords=&cat_1=248&geosearch_text=Sao+Paulo+SP&searchGeoId=164&sp_personals_age[start]=&sp_personals_age[end]=&sp_common_main_type=Homem&sp_common_second_type=&sp_common_tags_2[start]=&sp_common_tags_2[end]=&sp_text_0= https://garotocomlocal.com.br http://www.netgay.com.br/escortsspmenu.asp https://boytoy.com.br/garotos-programa/sao-paulo/ I have perused ads when prepping for my trips, to bookmark boys in case the saunas did not work, but I have never hired (yet. My modern history and experience in Brazil are little, two trips to Rio and one to Salvador) from an escorts website. If you are bookmarking from viva local, write down the numbers. The website does not keep permanent URLs. A tip I got from the boys I have been playing with: most Brazilian porn starts accept programas, but they do not advertise as GPs. They will consider your offer is you reach out th them through the social media. They are in Twitter and IG, Brazilians prefer IG. Totally appreciate you sharing the links. Have found some super sexy and well hung Brazilians boys at those sites, especially the black men with uncut cocks. It is a form of self-care to check out their pages and enjoy the dick pics they post. dingo and Latbear4blk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomcal Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Disclaimer! Up until now i have never went with a guy from a online ad! because the saunas provided up close a personal looks of them, and usually they could be found in the saunas!.... But recently i received messages from 2 guys who i have never seen in the saunas but have had a continuing presence online on Netgay and vivalocal etc. obviously business is hurting and they (like us) talk about clients and when i told 6 or 8 guys I was coming to brazil in October they contacted me. when i asked where they got my name they were discrete just saying “one of their friends had it!” lol they are quoting rates of $250.R to come to the apt. but quickly said $$200.R if i had them over more then once! Latbear4blk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted September 11, 2020 Members Share Posted September 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Tomcal said: Disclaimer! Up until now i have never went with a guy from a online ad! because the saunas provided up close a personal looks of them, and usually they could be found in the saunas!.... But recently i received messages from 2 guys who i have never seen in the saunas but have had a continuing presence online on Netgay and vivalocal etc. obviously business is hurting and they (like us) talk about clients and when i told 6 or 8 guys I was coming to brazil in October they contacted me. when i asked where they got my name they were discrete just saying “one of their friends had it!” lol they are quoting rates of $250.R to come to the apt. but quickly said $$200.R if i had them over more then once! I have a similar experience. Before my first trip to Salvador and again to Rio, I went equipped with a list of contacts from websites, just in case the sauna did not work. I never had to use my back up list. As tomcal said, saunas are the perfect stage for a drive test, and I never hired from escorts websites. Only once, from Grindr. However, I did notice that some guys who are porn performers offer their services online, and I did hook up with a few not because I contacted the from their ad, but because I hooked up with them from my network. My impression is that, similar to other discussion in other thread, the rules of engagement and the needed precautions when hiring (or hooking up) from websites and apps are similar to what you would do in any big city around the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Walker Posted September 12, 2020 Members Share Posted September 12, 2020 I had only one experience with online hire from Grindr. He was a cutie and had a nice personality. However, there is a reason for him not working at the sauna-- his size. I don't think he can compete with those sauna boys. Latbear4blk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted September 12, 2020 Members Share Posted September 12, 2020 There are many reasons why a GP would not work in a sauna. For instance, some sex workers look down to sauna boys. The one I hired from Grindr was perfectly competitive (muscular, astonishingly beautiful face, monster cock, humongous ass) but he was a college educated, middle class guy who did not think highly of the saunas scene. I think a few of you got his contact from me last year and had a great experience (I am too lazy to search amongst all my PMs). I liked him so much that I wanted to meet him again this November, but apparently he has changed his number. Remember that not everyone is looking for big cocks. I like them, but I do prefer men's rear parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kevie770 Posted September 13, 2020 Members Share Posted September 13, 2020 I hired 3-4 guys from vivalocal while I was in Rio. They were all decent programs, but I ended up having a lot more fun with the guys I took home from the sauna. Sometimes online programs feel a bit rushed. You will learn that sauna guys are truly professional and want you to have fun. Some beautiful guys you will only find online, but beauty doesn’t always lead to a great program. I paid about 400 for overnights and 150-200 for a regular program I.e 1 nut. But one sauna guy only charged me 280 for an overnight. yellowheart, PopeFrancis and Latbear4blk 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted September 13, 2020 Members Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Kevie770 said: I hired 3-4 guys from vivalocal while I was in Rio. They were all decent programs, but I ended up having a lot more fun with the guys I took home from the sauna. Sometimes online programs feel a bit rushed. You will learn that sauna guys are truly professional and want you to have fun. Some beautiful guys you will only find online, but beauty doesn’t always lead to a great program. I paid about 400 for overnights and 150-200 for a regular program I.e 1 nut. But one sauna guy only charged me 280 for an overnight. My experience is similar. I have not hired from online ads, but I have hired from my network guys who do advertise and do not go to saunas. In general, most of these guys follow the more traditional escorting model as we know it in all the big cities I have visited. The contrast with sauna GPs is evident. In general, they do not watch the clock and very often feels like they moved in without asking for more money. Also, although it is true that beauty does not equals good sex; I have hooked up with sauna GPs astonishingly/IG beautiful, and the sex was great. Online does not have the monopoly of beauty. Primeone385 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Popular Post PopeFrancis Posted October 26, 2020 Members Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 I tended to use the following websites... vivalocal - probably the best all-rounder fatalmodel - I can spend a good hour just watching video's of guys twirl round in their undies - the most difficult for guys to register on skokka - I think this is the cheapest (free-est) one to advertise on... so you get a fair number of young students I'd echo everyone saying that the sauna is safest... followed by the love motel... But once I had enough confidence, I did venture to guy's apartments. I remember one place in POA, where he ushered me through a sitting room full of people to get the bedroom! So embarrassing. More memorable than the sex itself. Another thing about being in someone's bedroom, is that you'll probably have to endure a 10 minute conversation about Pabllo Vittar, Katy Perry, Ariana Grande, working out, baseball caps, "tenis" shoes or hardship at the end. In SP, I often splash out on a pornstar/stripper/gogoboy... and you get to see some very different people once you're on their territory... one guy who wanted to dress up in all his costumes for me! (I just sat and took photographs)... another who told me how much disliked his work in porn ... and another who lived in such a hovel that I paid, made excuses and left. Kevie770, Primeone385, yellowheart and 4 others 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kevie770 Posted October 26, 2020 Members Share Posted October 26, 2020 19 hours ago, PopeFrancis said: fatalmodel - I can spend a good hour just watching video's of guys twirl round in their undies - the most difficult for guys to register on skokka - I think this is the cheapest (free-est) one to advertise on... so you get a fair number of young students I’ve never heard of these sites but thanks! My night is officially gone lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted October 26, 2020 Members Share Posted October 26, 2020 Skokka is a popular source of paid and free sex in Argentina. However, the local popular discussion forums admins have forbidden the mention of the site. Apparently, it is questionable whether or not they require proper age verification from the posters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Verruga Posted October 27, 2020 Members Share Posted October 27, 2020 I’ve used it. Was lucky every single time but I’m also very sensitive to danger. Brazil, when you arrive to the airport, if you’re using Uber or similar, tell the driver you need him to go other places also. You pick a few places and call him to ask if those are safe. You can check the rate in Uber before calling, so there is surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylekylekyle Posted October 30, 2020 Members Share Posted October 30, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 2:34 PM, Verruga said: I’ve used it. Was lucky every single time but I’m also very sensitive to danger. Brazil, when you arrive to the airport, if you’re using Uber or similar, tell the driver you need him to go other places also. You pick a few places and call him to ask if those are safe. You can check the rate in Uber before calling, so there is surprise thanks for the brilliant tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridarob Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 3:34 PM, Verruga said: I’ve used it. Was lucky every single time but I’m also very sensitive to danger. Brazil, when you arrive to the airport, if you’re using Uber or similar, tell the driver you need him to go other places also. You pick a few places and call him to ask if those are safe. You can check the rate in Uber before calling, so there is surprise huh? Latbear4blk, xpaulo, yellowheart and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
