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On 8/14/2022 at 7:37 AM, Min said:

(part 12, truly in a tidbit fashion)

After making my usual rounds this week at Dream Boy, Fresh Boys and New Twilight (in that order) and offed three boys of different nationalities (Cambodia, Vietnam and Myanmar, respectively), one from each bar, here are some updates. 

1. Drink price and boy's cut: Dream Boy is the most expensive at 450B for both customer and boy drink, Fresh Boy: 400B, and New Twilight: 350B. Boys all got 100B from their own drinks. The bar fines (or off fees) are all the same: 500B (but different from Pattaya bars, as reported in earlier parts, boys in Bangkok bars receive nothing from the bar fine).

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2. Boy's basic salary: all three bars provide some incentive for boys, who show up at work on time (8pm) and who do not have an off that night (boy drinks don't count). This amount varies from bar to bar though. Dream Boy stingiest with 100B/night, Fresh Boy better with 150, New Twilight most generous with 200 (on par with Banana Room reported in part 8).

Fresh Boy also had this weird rule: if the previous night you don't have a customer, the next day nobody cares if you show up for work or not. But if you had a customer the night before and you don't show up the next day, bar assumes that you are still with that customer and you have to pay a bar fine of 500B. Since the boy I offed from Fresh Boy is Viet and we talked in Vietnamese, I think I got this correctly.

3. Number of boys: Since Dream Boy currently boasts the largest cast (more than 40), Fresh Boy middle of the pack (around 25) and New Twilight (less than a dozen, 7 floor boys and 4 show boys the night I visited) comes last, the above-mentioned incentive appears to play a lesser part in boys' decision of where to work. 

I think number of potential customers is far more important. Fresh Boy and Dream Boy both played to a packed house the nights I visited (drizzling midweek nights) and many boys got off. Things did not bode well at all for New Twilight: Saturday night, perfect weather (pretty cool but no rain) and only 6 customers (4 alone and 2 together) at the time the show started (10p30). A few more arrived during a show. There was a large gaggle of young male farangs coming in, who could easily double or triple the "crowd" size in the house if they decided to stay, but they didn't. I think when they saw there were only a few boys on stage, fully-clothed, they backed out immediately. 

4. Speaking of New Twilight's attire problems, I made it a point to complain loudly to 2 different mamasans about what the boys were wearing on stage (this is a GO-GO bar with GO-GO prices, why LONG jeans and black t-shirts with LONG sleeves, revealing almost nothing; the boys all looked like valet parking attendants in some casino hotel in Cambodia). Both mamasans assured me boys would wear less later (after the second show, around midnight), but I didn't see that happened.

When I finally picked a boy, before making my decision (actually I already made my decision when he showed me shirtless pictures on his phone), just for added effect, I asked him to get back on stage at least shirtless.

He took off his shirts and stood at the end of the rotation. Then it looked like he explained the situation to other boys and moved up front so I can admire his toned body. I nodded my approval "that's how it's done", told the mamasan (who recognized me from the early X-boy and Lucky Boys days and still remembered I'm Vietnamese) to go get the tab. Funny enough, when my boy got back to me, another on stage also took off his shirt (probably in hope of getting more attention?)

I also saw that most boys who were asked to come and sit with a customer are show boys, who wore underwear most of the time, and one got an off and left with a customer after the final show, around the same time I left with mine, a bit after midnight.

Another problem (New Twilight's freezing aircons which other members complained about) was also addressed several times that night. When I put on my light jacket, a mamasan asked if they should adjust the temperature (good customer care). Then another customer on my left asked them to change it again because it was still freaking cold. Then just before their second show, one of the dancers in a skimpy outfit asked for the third time. It was then warm enough I had to take off my jacket to reveal my toned body. Sorry I digress...

5. The "You can f*ck me but keep it an open secret" trend: as discussed in part 10, I noticed this phenomenon years ago in Vietnamese MBs in Vietnam, but this time, I start noticing it too in Bangkok bars. 

When I visited Hotmale earlier this week, the only one I would consider offing is No 34. Checked with a mamasan, who said he's Thai and straight. "Can I f*ck him?" "No, he's men." A few minutes later, another mamasan, who somehow got wind of my enquiry, approached me and said "You can f*ck him but you have to pay more. But keep it a secret because he's shy and doesn't want others to know". 

I refrained from asking the obvious question "then how come do you know?", "how much more?" 

Mamasan didn't know (maybe it was an even bigger secret) and ran off to asked, then came back with "He wanted 5000" (same level as Moonlight models?). I don't think so, so I didn't off anyone from Hotmale that night.

Then in New Twilight, the boy I picked was also straight. Both he and mamasan said he's willing to bottom (not asking for more money though) but again, it's a secret (I tell only you) nobody knows (except those who know).

6. This time, I continued to off mostly new faces, as is my wont. I was second customer of the boy in Dream Boy, who was a 26-year-old hair stylist back in Cambodia and who needed money to pay off his big loan. 

I was (again) the first customer ever of that boy who got on stage shirtless in New Twilight. He was from Myanmar and just started 2 weeks ago, got two boy drinks but no off yet. It seems he's indeed new and tended to do exactly what I told him. 

Back in the hotel, I gave him a toothbrush. He went off brushing his teeth, then came back, still wearing his jeans. "You didn't take a shower?" I asked him. "I have to take a shower?" Off he went back to the bathroom. Later, it turned out, not just was this the first time he slept with a man, it was the first time he slept with anyone (He hasn't even slept with a girl yet, never had a girlfriend, and he's 21 years old already. Must have come from a far-flung backwater area.) Didn't even know how to kiss with tongue. "Are you nervous?" I asked him. "No, I'm not nervous.... I'm afraid. This is my first."

Speaking of "first time", I was also the first time ever of Little Lao in part 11. Born to a farmer's family, grew up in a rural area and only did farming work, he never had a chance to have sex with men, let alone have a boy friend. "I went to Thailand to earn money but also to have opportunities to have sex with men," so he told me after that farce of threesome also reported in part 11. "I slept with 4 or 5 men so far" He added (proudly? but appears to lose count already though)

Anyway, what happened with the Viet boy I offed from Fresh Boy was more hilarious. He was far more popular than the other two and also the youngest at 18 years old. He started in Fresh Boy 5 days ago and I was already his fourth customer. That means he got customers, both farang and Asian, almost every day. Can't speak English and Thai (not yet), very sweet and nice to talk to in his mother tongue, I think he would follow the same route as other cute Viet boys I met in Fresh Boy. Popular at fist as a cute new face, but no repeats. His idea of servicing a customer is still pretty much jerking himself off to a porn video while the customer watches.

Just out of curiosity, I also asked him how much it would take to f*ck him. He said, he would consider bottoming, and since this is his first time, to "take his flower" or to "pop his cherry" (or whatever expressions you think would fit), a customer needs to pay 50.000 bath. To be fair, in Vietnam, virginity traditionally matters a lot and wealthy businessmen have been known to pay many times of that amount to deflower a girl, believing doing so would bring them good luck. Anyway, the boy in question, in stark contrast with the Myanmar boy, slept with girls before he reached 18 (the consent age in Vietnam is 16) and already got a new Viet girlfriend who's only 17 right here in Bangkok, barely five days after he arrived, so I think the matter of virginity is not really relevant here.

7. Finally, some funny tidbits.

I agreed with some other members' observations: New Twilight white-wearing waiters are generally cuter and also more gay than their floor boys. Because @jason1975 got a regular working as waiter in the bar and he made it clear that his friends stay away from his man, I have to be sure. When I came in, my first question to a cute waiter who greeted me was "Who's Jason's man?" (so that I can stay away from him) "Everyone else, but me" came back the answer. Sorry this is totally made-up. I just wanted to pull Jason's proverbial leg.

The fucking show in Fresh Boy that night had to stop midway, I guess because the top can't keep it hard. So they went backstage and the audience was asked to watch a cabaret performance while the boys got themselves ready again (I don't know how). The Viet boy sitting with me gave his kudos to the top - who he saw, during his five days working in Fresh Boy, perform every night, three different shows each day, all requiring a sustained hard-on (first a jerk-off solo on a couch, then the big cock show, finally the fucking show). 

Should I start a blue pill donation campaign to help him out? I'm sure many members here have one or two to spare.

(to be continued)

Thank you for a great update. Re the age of consent in Vietnam, does anyone know why Google confusingly says it is 16 and 18? I have had a few fabulous meets in Vietnam and want to stay the right side of the law on my next trip.

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21 minutes ago, zoomomancs said:

Thank you for a great update. Re the age of consent in Vietnam, does anyone know why Google confusingly says it is 16 and 18? I have had a few fabulous meets in Vietnam and want to stay the right side of the law on my next trip.

If you are a citizen or permanent resident of the USA, my understanding is that it's a violation of USA federal law to travel abroad and have sex with someone under the age of 18 - no matter the age of consent adopted by a particular foreign nation which may be less.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2423

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10 minutes ago, Mavica said:

If you are a citizen or permanent resident of the USA, my understanding is that it's a violation of USA federal law to travel abroad and have sex with someone under the age of 18 - no matter the age of consent adopted by a particular foreign nation which may be less.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2423

Thank you for the info. I'm British.

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7 hours ago, zoomomancs said:

Thank you for a great update. Re the age of consent in Vietnam, does anyone know why Google confusingly says it is 16 and 18? I have had a few fabulous meets in Vietnam and want to stay the right side of the law on my next trip.

@zoomomancs The age of consent is 16, but to provide certain "professional" services, the service provider must be 18 years old or over. That's what makes it confusing.

So if you have a boyfriend, who is 17 and is willing to sleep with you with no money (iPhone should be ok, I think) changed hands, that's no problem.

Like in Thailand, prostitution is "illegal" in Vietnam, so if you are caught red-handed as a paying customer, that's considered a misdemeanor, and you will be fined (not jailed). But if you are caught red-handed paying for someone who's between 16 and 18 years old, it's considered a more serious offense and you face more serious consequences. Of course, if that person is not yet 16 years old, it's statutory rape.

So in principle, you should always stick with boys 18 years old or older and always check their IDs as younger boys frequently lie about their age just to get customers. Since boys in Vietnam often look much younger than their age, you can never be sure (when I was doing my first Master's degree, a lot of people thought I was still in high school and I was always asked for ID entering gay clubs).

There was this money boy in Hanoi, who was only 14 years old at the time but told his customers he's 17. A young guy from the Czech Republic (24 or 25 I think), who had been doing his family business in Vietnam for several years so he spoke decent Vietnamese, was very familiar with the local gay scene and knew a lot of money boys, became the boy in question's regular customer or probably the "so-called" boyfriend (the boy even put a picture of their having dinner together on his FB). Later business wasn't so good so the guy frequently stiffed the boy on his fee. The boy then got his revenge by working with the police to set a trap. The Czech guy received a 10 year sentence and I think he's still in jail as we speak.

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11 hours ago, Min said:

...... the guy frequently stiffed the boy on his fee. The boy then got his revenge by working with the police to set a trap. The Czech guy received a 10 year sentence and I think he's still in jail as we speak.

I can't say I feel sorry for him though , on both accounts , age and fee stiffing

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7 hours ago, BiggusDikkus said:

I don't understand this strategy. Why not lie and say it's your first time, then call out the mama-san when the BS starts?

if one is first time  may not know where BS starts or indeed may not even recognize BS at all.

Take me on my first trip back in 2001. I thought I came well prepared  but somehow I did not get distinction between short and long time off.

So I  took boy from non -existing Up to You bar to Suriwong hotel's short time rooms and after hour or two  of fabulous time I gave him what I read was generous tip of 2000. I can hear his squeak to this day as then 2000 was indeed generous long time tip.

Nobody tricked me , I did it for myself but still self inflicted BS it was 

And of curse thaiophilus above is 100 % right, confrontation is not good  strategy in Thailand, you will have everybody against you.

 

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14 hours ago, thaiophilus said:

Because "face" is not a zero-sum game, and calling someone out is not a winning strategy in Thai culture.  If you make someone lose face, you are inviting trouble. You are also perceived to lose face on your own account because of your inappropriate (as they see it) behaviour. Moreover, if you make a scene, that embarrasses the onlookers and can make them lose face too.

An important point and one that few visiting Asia for the first few times find difficult to understand. "Face" means a great deal.

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16 hours ago, thaiophilus said:

On the other hand by discreetly signalling that you have already heard all the BS (true or not) you enable everyone to save face.

Very good point, one that makes me realize why I have always had trouble with one particular manager. I'll remember this advice next time I'm in Thailand (and avoid that manager's bar).

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32 minutes ago, Min said:

. Now to Pattaya's news. There is a new boy in Boyz Boyz Boyz, who make waves in Boyztown because he refused to have sex with customers no matter how much money they offered him. The boy is from Chiang Mai and he is really really really good-looking. Yes really. The gay chubby bouncer at the Pikky bar opposite, who shared this piece of intel with me, can't stop gushing about how good looking the boy is. Too bad the boy wasn't working that night so I can't confirm it myself.

🙄🙄🙄Who offered 15000 baht please?

Confess 😅🤣🤣

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A few comments on Min’s excellent post:

I estimate the number of guys on stage at one time or another at Freshboys Saturday night at about 18 (give or take a few). I understand a few had been offed prior to show.

The ever-smiling Lao guy from HM can now be found working Red Dragon bar below Freshboys.

Soi 6 continues to consolidate its reputation at massage central of all male shops. And now comes a rumor that 9-teen massage (that currently has shop on Silom near 6) will open another location on Soi 6 itself. This. Would bring to seven the total number of male only outlets in that space before dogleg turn toward Prime Massage.

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17 minutes ago, Olddaddy said:

Offers of 15,000 baht !!!😳😳

Must be a lot of farangs with money to throw around ,I wouldn't even offer Justin Bieber that 

 

I think it should be a Japanese customer :)

12 minutes ago, reader said:

I estimate the number of guys on stage at one time or another at Freshboys Saturday night at about 18 (give or take a few). I understand a few had been offed prior to show.

I guessed Saturday would always be busier. My last three visits in August and October (all week-day), there were never more than 12, and the bouncer also admitted they lost quite a few boys to competitors.

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1 hour ago, Min said:

Dream Boy, which still boasts the most impressive collection in the soi in terms of boy number, variety and well, cock size

I went a couple of times, my friend and I laughed our asses off when this guy comes walking onto the stage. First time, I thought it was a comedy skit, something you'd see on old time TV. Like he woke up lost , wondered on stage and didn't know where he was or why he was there....I laugh just typing about this 😝

 

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3 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

Offers of 15,000 baht !!!😳,I wouldn't even offer Justin Bieber that 

 

Just out of idle curiosity, what would you offer Justin Bieber then?

1 hour ago, floridarob said:

First time, I thought it was a comedy skit, something you'd see on old time TV.

Speaking of comedy, did you see that ridiculous big cock show in the New Dream Boy, where all the guys drag (wigs, skirts and all), stumbling around on high heels with their cock picking out under the skirt?

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I was recently in Dream Boys on Saturday night, when it was busy, and we were seated up in the third or fourth row on the left of the stage as you face it. My BF, on his way to the toilet, spotted that in the semi open space to one side behind the last row of seats all the big cock boys boys(12/14) were wanking to get big and hard for their imminent show. 

I immediately felt the call of the nature and was very taken by the backstage show, some boys standing, some sitting, but all reaching the right level of tumescence and all condomed up so customers could later touch them after the show.

I got a preview as the the nearest cock to where I was standing, of considerable thickness and attached to a slim young man of reasonable looks was thrust into my hand. The feel of the girth in my hand and the enthusiasm with which he pursued my custom made the result inevitable. 

Back in the hotel he suggested we showered together and he soaped me all over paying particular attention to my cock. Slightly weirdly he was happy to suck said cock without a condom, but wanted a condom on his own if I was to suck that! Perhaps the performers are so used to a latex barrier between themselves and customers that is their best way to get it up. Anyway he performed as requested, while clearly being straight, and and professionally if without passion. 

I came, he didn't, claiming that he was too drunk, but more likely he was preserving his strength for another show or customer(there was still time). It didn't bother me.

He received the requested(by him) 2,000 Baht for short time and was on his way. Off had been 550 baht rather than the anticipated 500 for some incomprehensible reason that wasn't worth arguing about, and customer drinks were 500 and boy drinks 400(he had a beer).

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5 minutes ago, khaolakguy said:

all condomed up so customers could later touch them after the show.

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Slightly weirdly he was happy to suck said cock without a condom, but wanted a condom on his own if I was to suck that! Perhaps the performers are so used to a latex barrier between themselves and customers that is their best way to get it up.

Actually, the main purpose of wearing a condom during a show is the particular knot they made at the base of their penis to wrap the condom tightly around it so that it could stay hard for long. Certain straight boys may also use the same trick to keep it up during his sessions with a customer.

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