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Pattaya Questions, after Due Dilengence

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7 hours ago, floridarob said:

I just can't wrap my head around how the Thai's and others get farang's so brainwashed into supporting them financially.

I agree with every word you wrote in your post.  And yet over the years many of us have seen it happen time and time again and that is why I keep warning about it, in hopes the next one to fall into the trap won't be anyone who reads this board.

It is also common for farang to leave everything they have to a Thai go-go boy.  I've seen several times the farang passed away and the boy got a very substantial amount of money, enough to support him and his family for many years.  And yet in most instances within a year the boy was broke and right back in the bars - hoping to hit another jackpot.

The better educated they are and the better kind of job they have, the less likely that is to happen, but most farang who meet the boy of their dreams while on a 2 or 3 week holiday meet only bar boys.  Their own dream seems to have come true and they end up going to extraordinary lengths and tolerate things they would never tolerate from anyone else in trying not to lose it.  While they hope to walk hand-in-hand into the sunset and live blissfully happily ever after, does anyone need me to tell how often it actually ends up working out that way?

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Wow, thanks for sharing ... a true eye opener; sadly I fell for it twice since I started going to BKK years ago.

At home it's all work and no play, then you go to BKK and it's truly Neverland.

I'm going to watch this again before my first night out in Pattaya LOL 

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2 hours ago, BenG1000 said:

I'm going to watch this again before my first night out in Pattaya LOL 

As is obvious even from that vdo, Japan is a highly organised society hidebound by rules from virtually cradle to grave. The sex trade is equally organised and, as mentioned at the start of the vdo, it is a huge commercial business. I read somewhere that overall the business of sex in all its forms accounts for up to 3% of GDP - double that of the country's agricultural sector.

These male host bars have been around for many decades but were primarily to give older women the chance to spend time with handsome young hosts. But they have proliferated hugely as much younger Japanese women rebelled against the long established rules about marriage and children. Starting in the boom years of the 1980s, they realised that their salaries were giving them independence. Like wolf packs they travelled to cities like Hong Kong and Singapore with the sole objective of buying luxury goods which are very expensive in Japan. Over a week-end the savings they could make in the Louis Vuitton and Cartier boutiques more than paid for their air tickets and their rooms in 5-star hotels. Increasingly they were chosing to stay much longer with their parents and spend their increasing salaries on themselves. 

In such a male dominated country, the host bars offer an escape - at a very considerable cost. As one host says, "We sell dreams." Although another says early on that he could easily fuck the patrons 365 nights a week, another stresses that it should never come to that because then the dream ends and the girl never comes back to the Club. The host's job is to get the girls to keep coming back and to keep spending on Dom Perignon and the expensive cognacs.

I know there are clubs like this for boys and girls in Thailand but foreigners will never find out about them. The commercialism of the host bars tourists visit in Bangkok and Pattaya are in their infancy when it comes to getting customers to splash the cash. While we may object to 400 baht for a drink and a few hundred baht to spend half an hour sitting with a boy, that pales into insignificance when you see the Japanese women in that video spending US$2,000 and a lot more for an evening being flattered by a young man they will only be able to dream about after she leaves. It all seems rather sad. At least here in Thailand the hosts and hostesses will readily ensure that your dreams materialise with a night of sex - and at a fraction of the cost. And you can go back the next evening!

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3 hours ago, BiggusDikkus said:

This documentary really opened my eyes. Please give it a watch. It's just amazing. 

One of my takeaways....That @vinapu and I wouldn't go with any of the hosts on that video 😆

Also, what is love and when someone SAYS they love you, what does it really mean....How many times have we lied to guys in bars only to go to other bars and say the same lies....like they pointed out in this video 😏

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29 minutes ago, floridarob said:

One of my takeaways....That @vinapu and I wouldn't go with any of the hosts on that video 😆
 

you got me interested  I need to watch it and confirm your findings. I watched few minutes in the middle and yes , based on that sample you are right ! It means one thing for sure , none of us is Japanese girl and we have better taste in men.

A-men

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7 hours ago, Gaybutton said:

I'd like to know where he got that from.  Maybe he's right, but i would like to know his source.  I've never heard any such thing.  There is a royal residence on Pratumnak, rarely used, but I have no idea what that would have to do with Jomtien Complex which is nowhere near.  Does that mean all of Jomtien is royal land extending at least from Pratumnak to the beach?  The Jomtien Complex venues pay their rent to whom?

Again, maybe he's right, but that makes no sense to me.  Why would royal land mean just about anything goes except go-go bars?   If it really is royal property that doesn't allow go-go bars, then why don't the venues try petitioning to get that revoked?  Nothing to lose by trying.

Well, some venues pay their rent to the Jomtien Complex *office is just down from The Agate*. Others pay the building owners as some of the complex is privately owned. The complex is a racked. The rents are disgustingly high, and go up year on year. They will eventually destroy the complex, which will be a shame. I know of one complex owned bar now paying 75,000 Baht a month rent. And that doesn't include extra payments for use of outside space on the road. 

As for the land under the complex, I don't know the history but it is still zoned as residential because of either the proximity to Royal land, or it is actually royal land. 
 

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48 minutes ago, 12is12 said:

These farangs - who support young locals bcs they believe there's love btw them - why dont they move in together (in Thailand or at home) and get married (officially or not)? 

probably because they realize that love is  just make-believe

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Londoner, I m not sure whether ur last post was aimed (also?) at me.

As far as I m concerned, ur comments didnt "fall on stony ground"; and I m not "dismissive" of anyone's preferences. In fact I wish all those involved all the best.

All I asked was why, at least in some cases, the love exhibited by support doesnt manifest itself also in togetherness.....

 

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6 hours ago, gayinpattaya said:

Well, some venues pay their rent to the Jomtien Complex *office is just down from The Agate*. Others pay the building owners as some of the complex is privately owned. The complex is a racked. The rents are disgustingly high, and go up year on year. They will eventually destroy the complex, which will be a shame. I know of one complex owned bar now paying 75,000 Baht a month rent. And that doesn't include extra payments for use of outside space on the road. 

As for the land under the complex, I don't know the history but it is still zoned as residential because of either the proximity to Royal land, or it is actually royal land. 
 

How do his make a profit??😳😳

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5 hours ago, Londoner said:

I know three LTR couples, two of them British/Thai, one of them a US citizen. They are similar- 60+ falang/late thirties or early forties Thais. Both parties seems happy to me.

I know a guy that won the lottery.....the successes are eclipsed by the fraud/failures.

Not saying it doesn't work....but go into it with eyes wide open, not rose colored glasses.

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5 hours ago, floridarob said:

The fact that you have 3 categories already of financial help....😲

These are not three different categories of financial help. 

These are three different tones in which Bangkok Guy asks for financial help. I am able to identify them because I pay attention. If I were not paying attention I probably would not notice the difference. 

5 hours ago, floridarob said:

I Consider a relationship when you live with each other....otherwise it remains friends with benefits.

Fair enough but in the context of my post somewhat redundant.  I did say ".. if Bangkok Guy and I decided to go for an actual full time relationship.."    I see the connection between Bangkok Guy and myself as a friendship which may progress to a full-blooded relationship at some point or may not. Not having been in this situation before I am playing it by ear.  

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