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Another trip report, this time from Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

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5 hours ago, msclelovr said:

It’s very useful to have such a detailed report, especially for people like me that have not visited PV.

Puerta Vallarta is awesome & I’ve been many times.  The weather is very predictable by season & it really depends on your personal preferences/tolerance.  I used to stay in hotels, but now condos only because the prices aren’t that much more expensive & so many new buildings with excellent facilities. The only issue with condos is they are frequently booked very far in advance for peak periods.  One of the best condo booking agencies is www.pvrpv.com  - extremely gay friendly & helpful.  
Beware of some PV hotels with top ratings on TripAdvisor - I booked one and arrived to a literal dump and promptly checked out & moved into a condo. It was a nightmare to get the hotel to refund payment (many of them require payment in full before arrival) and ended up with a dispute via my credit company, which ended in my favor.  For either hotels or condos, direct referrals from someone who knows the properties is a good idea. I have no idea how they can scam TripAdvisor for excellent ratings, but they do it. 

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3 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

For either hotels or condos, direct referrals from someone who knows the properties is a good idea. I have no idea how they can scam TripAdvisor for excellent ratings, but they do it. 

At least I knew about deficiencies ( no internet in room , coffee making facilities , drinking water ) in my hotel from comments others left on booking sites so I came prepared and was not surprised. Only surprise was guest charge as I took gay friendly for guest friendly

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4 minutes ago, floridarob said:

I forgot to tell you about this company.....would you have done it?

https://www.facebook.com/jetsNakedBeachTours

no worries , I saw advertisements when there but no, I wouldn't participate. I'm not a beach person and beach for me is just strip of sand I need to cross going to or from water. I did nude bathing in the river in Botanical Gardens though as a substitute I guess.

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Just now, floridarob said:

But you booked a single, because was a package....do you think if it was a double, you could have interchangeable guests??

no idea but my guess will be no because of that bracelet issuance. I could sneak both my guests to the room  but neither was keen of breaking the rules and they told me that a outright. 300 peso joiner fee was not disaster and hotel did not make any fuss with guests  otherwise , even when I brought next one half an hour after first left on my last night as we learn in due course.

Booking double wouldn't make any sense as cost of flight was included in the whole package  costing 1075 $ while flight only would be 810 $ so it would be cheaper just to rent another cheaper hotel just for guests I guess.

There advantages and disadvantages of package tours I guess.

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At some point in time in the very distant future these complicated labour-intensive spreadsheets will be considered anthropological curiosities, a game integrating Twister, Steeplechase, Sudoku, Monopoly, Balderdash and Trivial Pursuit. For now, my eyes are strained. Exhausting. I just want to pass Go and spread ‘em between the sheets. Same goes for Turco St. Moritz. I’m not even going to try to explain the system. But your detail is very useful just the same. 

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11 hours ago, vinapu said:

my time there was short and it was my first visit in Mexico boy hunting  so don’t treat anything I write as a Gospel. Those are my impressions but all is based on relatively small statistic sample gathered in short span of time  so I may be wrong or inaccurate.

Thank you for the extensive trip report.  As I’ve mentioned, I love PV in many ways as a vacation destination. Beautiful scenery, weather, inexpensive & excellent food.  That said, I would not go to PV if the main goal is a “hunting trip”.  It just doesn’t compare with how other members have described Thailand and absolutely doesn’t compare to Brazil…or even Spain IMO.

There are workers to be had, but vast majority are available online and that fluctuates wildly according to time of year. During peak season from late December to April, PV is flooded with boys from all over the world, including some very expensive escorts that include PV as part of their global circuit. And the hourly rates will vary depending on where they are from.  PV tends to draw a lot of American escorts during high season with hourly rates that are the same as paid in NYC, LA or Miami. There are boys from South America and other parts of Mexico, that will be less - but, they all know some of the Americans are getting those premium rates.   During the off-season when the higher end foreign escorts are not in PV, then rates will be lower and it will be mostly Mexicans.

Also, while PV does attract some older gringos, the majority of PV crowd during high season is circuit boys who are much younger and the entire scene is geared towards them.  It’s not Thailand where it’s been described as catering to older gringos and it’s not Brazil where any age is welcome in the saunas as long as you pay.  Due to the dominance of gay Americans in PV and many young ones there to party, you may feel out of place during high season when it’s got an overall circuit party feel….and  there is plenty of “attitude” that comes from those younger boys in PV to party.  It would be a completely different crowd and experience during the summer months or low season. 

I would absolutely still go to PV to enjoy the many wonderful things on offer.  There are occasional opportunities for sex if you’re willing to pay and that depends on what you expect. For an encounter like in a Brazilian sauna (actual sex) it’s going to cost you more than you think and will likely only be possible in your hotel room for an hour.  PV is just not setup for anything like a Brazilian sauna and the massage places do not operate as Thai massage places described here.  I’m sure you can occasionally “off” a stripper in a club, but there is no formal practice to do it and it would be something unusual vs standard practice in Thailand.  You can have strip club encounters as described, but it’s going to be clothes-on for the customer and varying degrees of undress for the boy under a tightly controlled time schedule.    

I do enjoy strip clubs myself, but never go with the idea of any actual sex and never go to the private rooms bc I know their game. And that game is the same as in US, which is to do as little as possible and get the most amount of money, all while trying to keep the customer engaged for as long as possible. Others may find complete satisfaction in those encounters and if so, then PV has plenty of options in that area for sure. 

If you’ve never been to Puerta Vallarta, it’s well worth the trip just make sure you know what to expect regarding weather during the time you plan to visit and set your expectations accordingly re: the scene with the boys.  It’s super gay friendly & accommodating, prices are less than the US but not like Brazil/Thailand and the actual sex will be limited and cost more than you think (as a visiting older gringo tourist).  Prices could be considerably less if you speak fluent Spanish and really know your way around Mexico. 

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I’m usually happy with one trip encounter for these less predictable destinations. Five years ago this season was soaked up to my ankles in flooded PV streets that became rivers. Without my fly-fishing waders I just walked southbound from digs near northerly local market, in my bare feet or plastic sliders; lucky to endure no major abrasions to soles, or electrocution for that matter. Put shoes back on when could keep them dry. Got lucky with a buff inexpensive guy in private dance mode at Wet. Ironic … Wet. Anthropology was a wash; also ironic given late-ish PM torrential floods. I had been many times in the 1990s for winter vacays pre sex tourism life stage. Always liked it, including in 2017.

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On 9/30/2022 at 8:54 AM, Slvkguy said:

periods.  One of the best condo booking agencies is www.pvrpv.com  - extremely gay friendly & helpful.

one other unique thing about Puerta Vallarta - the best apartments are booked through local rental companies based in PV, not through AirBnB.  I think this is because so many of the better apartments are owned by foreigners as absentee owners, requiring a full range of services that AirBnB doesn’t provide.  I’ve looked at AirBnB PV listings many times & always found better apartments through the local rental agencies.   Once you connect with a reputable local rental company - they can recommend the ideal apartment based on your specific requirements.  And after you have that relationship established, much easier to plan for future trips.  Essential to plan far in advance to get the best apartments or to be flexible with your dates….many are booked a year in advance with same people reserving same time/same apartment.  

Puerta Vallarta weather is almost perfect December though early May and you’re guaranteed to have a good time. Enjoy

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7 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

 

Puerta Vallarta weather is almost perfect December though early May and you’re guaranteed to have a good time. Enjoy

I found Sept weather agreeable and quite pleasant. mornings and afternoons were sunny and warm, early evenings were rainy for 1-2 hours  and warm. It was one day without rain and one with long, torrential  rain 

12 hours ago, Slvkguy said:

Thank you for the extensive trip report.  As I’ve mentioned, I love PV in many ways as a vacation destination. Beautiful scenery, weather, inexpensive & excellent food.  That said, I would not go to PV if the main goal is a “hunting trip”. .....

There are workers to be had, but vast majority are available online..... 

 It’s not Thailand where it’s been described as catering to older gringos .......

 There are occasional opportunities for sex if you’re willing to pay and that depends on what you expect. For an encounter like in a Brazilian sauna (actual sex) it’s going to cost you more than you think and will likely only be possible in your hotel room for an hour....under a tightly controlled time schedule.    

 

I completely agree with your analysis based on what I experienced there, have only doubts about excellent food part but that's me , not  a fan of Mexican fare.

But yes , your analysis is spot on as we will see shortly when I describe my encounters with local talent while there.

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12 minutes ago, vinapu said:

I completely agree with your analysis based on what I experienced there, have only doubts about excellent food part but that's me , not  a fan of Mexican fare.

There's no one "Mexican food."  It's a large country with regional variations in fare.  You can be gluttonous eating every part of a cow or pig, or eat healthy.  As for weather:  September, October and early-November ... that's the core of the rainy season.  Tropical storms, hurricanes, etc. Water quality along the beaches during these periods can be "stay away" classification.

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1 hour ago, Mavica said:

  As for weather:  September, October and early-November ... that's the core of the rainy season.  Tropical storms, hurricanes, etc. Water quality along the beaches during these periods can be "stay away" classification.

I found both weather and water quality quite Ok and in future would have no problems to come  at the same time . If not whoring it turned quite a cheap and yet high quality   vacations.

Weather was at least very predictable, sun in the morning , rain in the evening. Ocean was choppy but water was warm and sufficiently wet. 

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26 minutes ago, vinapu said:

If not whoring it turned quite a cheap and yet high quality   vacations.

For visitors from the US, the much lower cost of the airfare (compared to going to Thailand) would offset the higher cost of the recreational activities.

Thanks for the excellent posts!

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