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Excellent start for a thread, Bob. It sounds like you gather enough information (and photos?) to add to this every so often, and that would be welcomed by more than a few of us, I dare say.  

 

I'm willing to occasionally add to it myself, if that's OK, and hope others would, too. Sometimes a another set of eyes can see the same place differently, so I wouldn't object to several others commenting on the same place. Chiang Mai is especially rich with interesting spots.  Thanks for posting this!

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Great thread, Bob! Hope it will be the first of many explaining more of Thai culture and traditions.

 

Here are a few photos which I hope will illustrate your description of 1.a - the chedi. Appropriately all are from Chiang Mai and the surrounding area. Not sure about No. 2 - the structure with the horse and carriage before it. But it is chedi-like!

 

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Khun FH, do you know where photo #2 was taken.  I don't seem to recognize that one at all, although it has very similar architecture to the Chedi (or,perhaps, Bprang) at Wat Santhitam.  Seems somewhat Khmer to me rather than Thai.

 

Your first photo is from the ruins of the original Chiangmai about 3-4 miles southeast of the current "old city."  Not too many people (falang, anyway) ever get out to see those interesting ruins.  Your second photo is, of course, the beautiful  and probably most famous Chedi we have up here at the wat on Suthep mountain (Doi Suthep).

 

At some point, I'll sign up again for an online photo website so I can post photos here.  If/when I do that and if I post photos of various temples in and around Chiangmai, I'll likely do that in separate threads.  We do have some interesting ones around here such as the Shan temple (Wat Goo Dtao) with the "watermelon" stupa/chedi and one south of the old city made almost entirely of tin.

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FInally worked it out! It's Wat Kuu Kham on the way to Lamphun. Here's a couple more pics.

 

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I agree, more people should spend more time outside the city as thee are lots of interesting sights. I would not have ventured so far, but some years ago a young Thai and his sister insisted on driving me around the outskirts. That's the only reason I have the photos!

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Here is one temple that we just passed by on a bike ride I did several years back. I think I wrote about it in that long thread. It was below Hua Hin and it was simply beautiful. The great thing about taking your time to see Thailand is that every city you pass through has some of these temples and it is beautiful and stunning!

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One of the joys of visiting Thai temples is not only are the external structures so beautiful – as in these two pics from Chiang Mai and Maha Sarakham –
 

Chiang Mai

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Maha Sarakham

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– there is so much to see in the detail, especially the doors, windows and roofs. Sometimes you will find an older temple still with their original wall paintings –

 

Chiang Mai

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Maha Sarakham

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Outside Pattaya

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How many times have you heard a visitor say "Once you've seen one wat, you've seen them all" or something like that? I've seen the expression "watted out" used on some travel blogs. I for one will never be "watted out". The variety is endless. Apart from the classical wat styles there are many wats that are one of a kind, often the vision of one man. These are a few of them:

Wat Lan Kuad in Sisaketh, which is constructed entirely from recycled bottles

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Wat Muang in Ubon Ratchathani, which has not one but two "boat" buildings. It is also the only Wat I have ever seen with a cemetery in the grounds - the Wat has a strong Chinese influence

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Wat Nong Bua, also in Ubon Ratchathani, which follows the layout of the Mahabodhi temple in India, located on the spot where the Buddha is believed to have found enlightenment.

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This is a coin operated fortune telling machine in Wat Nong Bua (something very Thai about that!)

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Wat Nivet Thamaprawat, in an island on the Chato Praya river. It is part of the Bang Pa In palace complex. Can best be described as being in Portmerion Gothic style (complete with stained glass windows showing events in the life of the Buddha)

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Wat Pan Non Sawan in Roi Et province. The grounds are full of statues of animals of all sorts, including dinosuars outside the main entrance. It also has a large, and lurid "Hell Garden"

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They don't have to be buildings either.

Huai Bon cave in Fang is, I believe not technically a Wat. It has a community of forest monks, however, and the "temple" is a series of linked underground caves.

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They don't have to be Buddhist, either.

Sala Keo Kou (also known as Wat Khaek) in Nongkhai is another Wat with an extensive sculpture garden. It was the personal vision and work of a Lao called Bunleat Sourirat and the main building is now his mausoleum. The community there describe themselves as a "lay contemplative community" rather than a religious one (although the iconography is Buddhist and Hindu)

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Wat Ban Song Khon in Mukdahan is Catholic, a shrine to the "Seven Blessed Martyrs of Thailand. It's an extraordinary building, reputedly the largest Catholic church in SE Asia. One of the more macabre features is effigies of the seven martyrs, laid out in coffins with glass lids.

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And if you ever have any specific points you'd like to know about wats, there are sometimes little clinics! This is at Wat Chedi Luang in Chiang Mai.

 

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I'd never come across monk chat until FH posted that banner. I hope you find one in Bkk TW. If you find one, please let us know how it went. I've always found the monks that speak some English friendly and approachable, but as I am not a Buddhist I haven't got any more out of it other than a pleasant exchange.

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But note, Khun Rogie, the chat is not restricted to Buddhism. The last word on the right is "Anything"! That leaves the door, wide, wide open. And unlike in the Catholic tradition, you won't have to do any penance whatever after you have confessed our sins!  :good:

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Wat Muang in Ubon Ratchathani, which has not one but two "boat" buildings. It is also the only Wat I have ever seen with a cemetery in the grounds - the Wat has a strong Chinese influence

 

I know several wats that have a cemetery or tombs or a columbarium on the temple grounds, here a list of those that come to mind:

 

Wat Prasi (พระศรี) (Bangkok, Pahonyothin/Chaengwattana/Ramintra/Laksi Monument) has chinese tombs,

a Wat on Bang Krachao (Samut Prakan) has chedi-style spires with ashes and a name plaque and picture of the deceased,

a Wat near Pak Kret has the same,

Wat Intharawihan (standing Buddha, Bangkok), has a columbarium,

Wat Pasi (ภาษี) (Bangkok, Ekkamai/Saen Saeb Canal) has name plaques on the wall of the temple building (i.e. the ashes are in the wall of the temple),

Wat Prok (Sathorn) has the wall to the street filled with name plaques (probably with ashes of the deceased behind)

 

Related note: someone asked on one of the gay Thailand forums (I don't remember which one) why candles in wats are always orange. I recently saw black candles for use on a Rahu shrine (ราหู god of darkness), as well as black roses and black joss sticks.

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Most chedis contain the ashes of either important royalty or revered monks.  Here in Chiangmai, for example, Wat Suan Dok (on the south side of Suthep Road, about 600 yards west of the moat) has many mini-chedis which house the ashes of many of the Chiangmai kings (those that ruled from about the 1790's, after the Burmese were finally booted out, until the early 20th century).  Wat Suan Dok also has one larger chedi but that houses Buddhist relics only.

 

With respect to actual Buddha relics, there are so many "genuine" relics everywhere (temples inThailand, India, Burma, Sri Lanka, etc.) that the real Buddha had to have been gargantuan in size (i.e., most the relics obviously have to be wishful thinking).

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Strictly speaking a cemetery is a burial ground and that is the sense in which I was using it. What is unusual in Wat Muang is an area of Chinese type tombs in which the remains of the deceased are interred, as opposed to being kept above ground in Chedis, walls, columbines or similar repositories.

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