August 30, 201016 yr I don't if this is old news. I went through some of the new posts, but so many new posts or replies appear I might have missed that Memories Music Bar and Euro Boys have closed. I saw this in the PG weekly report. I know that the owners of Memories Music Bar lived in the floors above their bar. I believe at least one of them was a moderator on Ting Tong. Have they left the area? Last time I talked to them they mentioned they may move to Phnom Phen.
August 30, 201016 yr Sunee can't keep all the bars open. It is a hard market I guess. But, it seems when things are done right, like Corner Bar, Yaya and Duc's bar, they have customers nightly and are able to keep a thriving business. IMHO, Euro was a great bar. One of the nicest in Sunee. I loved the way they decorated it. But, the last few visits, there were few boys and even fewer customers. A great decorated bar still needs a good mamasan to bring in the boys and wrangle up a few customers. I wish the owners of those bars well and hope they reopen soon. My dream of buying a bar in Sunee keeps getting closer and closer. I just need it to go down to the right price. I have my eye on the one I want.
August 30, 201016 yr FYI... There is 52+ posts RE: Memories on GB's board: http://www.gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=254 Sad to see them go. tj
August 30, 201016 yr FYI... There is 52+ posts RE: Memories on GB's board: http://www.gaybutton...c.php?f=3&t=254 Sad to see them go. tj My goodness. And, they did all that without Beachlover? Is that possible?
August 30, 201016 yr And, they did all that without Beachlover? Is that possible? I have a horrible feeling that you have given him an idea . . .
August 30, 201016 yr Author He has gone to Gaybuttonthai with a vengeance. Oh, shit! I have not visited Gaybuttonthai for weeks as I was trying to get my post numbers up on this board! He certainly is a profligate poster! But if he stays busy on GBT. I have a chance at here!
August 30, 201016 yr I wish the owners of those bars well and hope they reopen soon. My dream of buying a bar in Sunee keeps getting closer and closer. I just need it to go down to the right price. I have my eye on the one I want. I saw a sign on Memories tonight that said it was for sale for 400K baht. Best of luck getting the bar u have your eye on. And if you get bored with it then u can always give it away in a posting contest!
August 30, 201016 yr Sunee can't keep all the bars open. It is a hard market I guess. But, it seems when things are done right, like Corner Bar, Yaya and Duc's bar, they have customers nightly and are able to keep a thriving business. IMHO, Euro was a great bar. One of the nicest in Sunee. I loved the way they decorated it. But, the last few visits, there were few boys and even fewer customers. A great decorated bar still needs a good mamasan to bring in the boys and wrangle up a few customers. I wish the owners of those bars well and hope they reopen soon. My dream of buying a bar in Sunee keeps getting closer and closer. I just need it to go down to the right price. I have my eye on the one I want. Please do open one! I'll bet it will be fantastic!
August 30, 201016 yr Usually as we get closer to High Season there is a scramble to reopen bars in hopes of a decent high season. I am guessing that these bars will reopen with new owners but again after the season is over we will see another period of closures. It's just a cycle we go thru.
August 30, 201016 yr IMHO, Euro was a great bar. One of the nicest in Sunee. I loved the way they decorated it. My dream of buying a bar in Sunee keeps getting closer and closer. Go on, please reopen Euroboys for peak season.
August 30, 201016 yr I can give you some info on the Euroboys owner as I have rented one of his apartments. He also owns a few other discos and bars in Europe and although he liked Euro Boys and lived closeby he was finding it difficult give it the time he needed to run it properly. He said he had good reliable staff in place a good structure and if time could be given to build up the customer base of regular customers it wouldn't take much to turn it into a very successful businees. Time was his problem and as a business owner in the UK i could fully understand his reasons. If you want any further info, i would rather have a PM than give out any more info on a forum board. He is a good honest businessman from what I understood from our conversations.
August 31, 201016 yr My dream of buying a bar in Sunee keeps getting closer and closer. I just need it to go down to the right price. I have my eye on the one I want. If you do open a bar you have to do one little thing. Consult me to make sure it is staffed entirely with my type. To hell with the rest . . .
August 31, 201016 yr My dream of buying a bar in Sunee keeps getting closer and closer. I just need it to go down to the right price. I have my eye on the one I want. I'm not sure if you would call that a dream or a nightmare, but I am sure that you could open a fantastic bar and make a go of it!! I too thought Euro Boys was one of the better bars in Pattaya, was clean, organized and a nice mix of boys....but I guess there weren't enough customers to keep things going. I wish the owners and the boys good luck!
August 31, 201016 yr Opening a club 5 or 10 years ago ...may have been an OK idea. But I foresee the next 5 to 10 years as the continuing decline of gay establishments in Sunee Plaza area... This will be due to the further encroachment of Middle Eastern focused enterprises to cater to their ever expanding visitor trade. It is only a matter of time when the Middle Eastern business in fact spreads deep inside the Sois of Sunee...currently they are opposite to Oud's Cafe and Bar...and all along Soi VC as one goes to and from Sunee. And they already are very well established on the other end of Sunee with the large hotel and many bars, restaurants which most all cater to the Middle Eastern visitor. The currently vacant Memories Bar may well be a opportunity for the Mid-Eastern investor to further their business expansion into the Sunee Plaza complex. They have the money to invest and the holding power to wait out the economic ups and downs. tj
August 31, 201016 yr IMO, farang opening a business in Thailand is a very unwise idea. It's a good way to lose your money and perhaps end up in jail. There are too many factors you wouldn't have control of, not to even mention tea money and harassment by the BIB.
August 31, 201016 yr Author If I was looking for a place to open in Sunee Plaza, I would open next to Corner Bar. It is a large space with rooms above and surrounded by bars that are doing well. There are owners in Boyztown that have done well for years. However things have been changing. I think that the places that have problems with the police are those that try and break the rules. They bring in under legal age boys, they have sex shows. I think this is done instead of running a bar well. Take a look at Come In bar in Sunee. It has done well for years. They do not employ under legal age boys. In fact some of the hosts have been there for years. The owner doesn't just sit in a chair and chain smoke. He appropriately greets customers and occasionally buys them a drink. Corner Bar is fairly new, but also greets customers, has good food, and has many customers. I do wish they had a few more Macho boys but it is true they are a more valuable commodity than lady boys to the majority of customers and need to be treated well to keep them. Corner Bar does well though and knows how to run a bar. I think one of the reason many bars have a predominance of fem boys is that as LMTU said, they don't know how to take care of them. They don't appreciate their value.
August 31, 201016 yr If I was looking for a place to open in Sunee Plaza, I would open next to Corner Bar. It is a large space with rooms above and surrounded by bars that are doing well. When choosing a location for a new bar it is important to know the area and know the history. The location may look great, but you could find youself not being able to get a license (or having to pay a lot of money to get the license) if the building has, for example, a history of employing uderage boys. Black marks gained from underage or drugs related busts are stored by the BIB against physical address, not bar name. Caveat Emptor for sure.
September 1, 201016 yr I do wish they had a few more Macho boys but it is true they are a more valuable commodity than lady boys to the majority of customers and need to be treated well to keep them. It may or may not be true that macho boys are more valuable to a bar. Maybe a poll would be interesting? Personally, I would prefer a few more femboys. Going even further I would like to see an all femboy bar in Sunee and think t would do quite well. IMO this type of bar does not exist though others may disagree.
September 1, 201016 yr It may or may not be true that macho boys are more valuable to a bar. Maybe a poll would be interesting? Personally, I would prefer a few more femboys. Going even further I would like to see an all femboy bar in Sunee and think t would do quite well. IMO this type of bar does not exist though others may disagree. Astrrro, "Whatever melts your butter" is a phrase a dear friend used to say to me... but I do think in Pattaya...especially in the Sunee area, there appears to be a larger numbers of fem boys than ever before. The "boy next door look" or "boy-boy" macho guy....is still there, but in much fewer numbers. Today at the beach, I observed the same thing as I sat in Rit's Chairs. Fem boys all over the place. They seem to all have left the rice fields and brought their Ponds cream, hair spray and lip gloss with them to Pattaya. One young Thai was seated a few rows in front of me, in his black and white polka dot polo shirt. It must have taken him an hour (and a half can of spray or jar of gel) to get his hair "just right". He was pulling his collar up time and time again, for fear it was not "fashion" enough to suit his tastes. Same for the shirtsleeves. Heaven forbid he would be seen unfashionable on the beach! But he was laughing and playful all the while with his Thai friend seated next to him, and he was not a fem boy...just a "boy next door". I did see 4 or 5 vendors all wearing cowboy hats who were real dudes! Selling strings of beads and amulets. Are they associated with the ladies who sell the goods from the ChiangRai area..Hmong tribe folks? tj
September 1, 201016 yr Author When choosing a location for a new bar it is important to know the area and know the history. The location may look great, but you could find youself not being able to get a license (or having to pay a lot of money to get the license) if the building has, for example, a history of employing uderage boys. Black marks gained from underage or drugs related busts are stored by the BIB against physical address, not bar name. Caveat Emptor for sure. You may be correct. But to me it would be more important to be in an area that already has good traffic. If you look at the area by Marine Plaza Hotel, people walk right past those bars in that area. From what I see, the bars with the most traffic are those by Come In and Duc bar. I would take the chance there rather than almost any other spot. The demise of Memories Music Bar is a good example of a spot that once had many customers, but failed miserably despite Ting Tong's constant web support and promotion. So even taking on a location that once did well is not as important as the talents of the new owners.
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