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[Pete1111]

On 12/10/2024 at 7:27 PM, Stable Genius said:

 

Republicans stormed the Capitol attacking police officers leading to several deaths. 

 

A Republican shot in Trump's direction at rally this summer killing a rally-goer.

 

Now a member of a prominent Republican family kills an insurance executive. 

 

And Republicans blame (wait for it) . . . Democrats. You can't make this stuff up.

 

In case it's not clear.

Charlie Kirk's shooter came from a rich, Republican, suburban, Mormon, pro gun family.

MAGA wants to claim the shooter was radicalized by leftists.  What is more obvious, the shooter was immersed in gun culture and military style weapons by his family.   

There are plenty of pictures of the shooter and his mother playing with military weapons.  Is it sickening?

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-reasons-we-shouldnt-jump-to-conclusions-about-tyler-robinson/

 

[Latbear4blk]

17 minutes ago, Pete1111 said:

In case it's not clear.

Charlie Kirk's shooter came from a rich, Republican, suburban, Mormon, pro gun family.

MAGA wants to claim the shooter was radicalized by leftists.  What is more obvious, the shooter was immersed in gun culture and military style weapons by his family.   

There are plenty of pictures of the shooter and his mother playing with military weapons.  Is it sickening?

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-reasons-we-shouldnt-jump-to-conclusions-about-tyler-robinson/

 

Both sides are rushing to blame each other. These shooter are not republicans or democrats, leftists or right wingers. These shooters are crazies.

[Suckrates]

52 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said:

Both sides are rushing to blame each other. These shooter are not republicans or democrats, leftists or right wingers. These shooters are crazies.

That conclusion is way too simplistic, as it often becomes clear in every case,  there was a definite political ideology being followed that molded the beliefs of each shooter.  And when you combine the ideology WITH the crazy,  you get party talking points, which we are seeing....   There is no escaping the connection between the mental state, the beliefs and political party, so just reducing it to crazy just doesnt meet the moment.   Its not as if the crazy shooter went out and shot up a LaBubu store....   He went out and shot a radical right wing agitator, inviting a clear connection between his belief and mental state. .  

[Latbear4blk]

43 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

That conclusion is way too simplistic, as it often becomes clear in every case,  there was a definite political ideology being followed that molded the beliefs of each shooter.  And when you combine the ideology WITH the crazy,  you get party talking points, which we are seeing....   There is no escaping the connection between the mental state, the beliefs and political party, so just reducing it to crazy just doesnt meet the moment.   Its not as if the crazy shooter went out and shot up a LaBubu store....   He went out and shot a radical right wing agitator, inviting a clear connection between his belief and mental state. .  

Respectfuly, you stay trapped in this logic of we against them, and of course we are always the good ones. If you take a close look to what people is calling "ideologies" of this crazies, it is a salad of nonsense, sometimes with ideas from both sides of the aisle. 

It is true that when wokeness and progressive thinking were in the rise, most of the violence seemed to come from right wing sources, because the right wing crazies were feeling powerless to fight against mainstream ideas. Now the wind has changed, right wing ideas are on the rise, and probably the ones feeling powerless to fight against mainstream will be more left wing oriented.

But all they are crazies. We are letting these crazies run public discourse. We do not listen to each other any longer and quickly jump to blame, stigmatize, and insult. I know that I have done it from the Left. 

I think it is important to break this cycle. Rather than a deadly confrontation of Righr vs Left, rational people on both sides must find a way to talk within our differences, and together clean the conversation from hate and irrationality, from masturbatorily insulting each other in discussion forums and the street, to redirect public discourse. 

[Suckrates]

38 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said:

Respectfuly, you stay trapped in this logic of we against them, and of course we are always the good ones. If you take a close look to what people is calling "ideologies" of this crazies, it is a salad of nonsense, sometimes with ideas from both sides of the aisle. 

It is true that when wokeness and progressive thinking were in the rise, most of the violence seemed to come from right wing sources, because the right wing crazies were feeling powerless to fight against mainstream ideas. Now the wind has changed, right wing ideas are on the rise, and probably the ones feeling powerless to fight against mainstream will be more left wing oriented.

But all they are crazies. We are letting these crazies run public discourse. We do not listen to each other any longer and quickly jump to blame, stigmatize, and insult. I know that I have done it from the Left. 

I think it is important to break this cycle. Rather than a deadly confrontation of Righr vs Left, rational people on both sides must find a way to talk within our differences, and together clean the conversation from hate and irrationality, from masturbatorily insulting each other in discussion forums and the street, to redirect public discourse. 

Sadly, I believe it is gonna have to come down to a deadly confrontation, as it appears THAT is the path we are on.   Have you tried to have a civil confrontation with a Trump right winger in the past 10 years ???   It is fruitless.  And the truth of the matter is that we ARE in a period of us against them,  and that is the way Trump likes it, because that way it insures HIM a loyal and faithful base.   At this very moment Trump is holding a GRAND memorialization of Charlie Kirk in Az,  a gathering that has managed to appeal  to and inspire 60,000 + radical white nationalist racists.    And Trump is grandizing Kirk..... If thats not them against us,  I dont know of a better example.   

So, I guess me being trapped in logic is allowing me to see the situation realistically.  We have a dictator that professes to be the leader of only a RED country, dismissing, minimalizing and TARGETTING the BLUE portion.....  You can overthink  and rationalize till the cows come home,  but there is currently NO WAY in hell Americans can look beyond their differences and find ANY common ground.   Not until the Dictator in charge allows that to happen,  and that would jeopardize HIS power and authority.   HE is only powerful because of HIS American people.