A question for seasoned travellers

[sydneyboy1]

I am contemplating a trip later in the year but can’t decide between Barcelona or São Paulo. Another way of asking the question is Thermas in Barcelona v Lagoa in São Paulo. 
I have been to São Paulo 9 times the last time 8 years ago and have never been to Lagoa in its current location. I have been to Barcelona about 5 times most recently last year. Comments by seasoned travellers who have sampled both in recent times much appreciated.

 

[young11]

What do you want to know? I have been to both in the last 6 months. Lagoa is not what it used to be but I guess you know that unless your 8 times were in a distant past. I don't find the guys there as attractive as before, actually struggled to find a guy who can be good: nice body, decent face. Also the price is not set so you have to negotiate and unless you are a regular there, I find the guys at Lagoa can be a bit difficult but I don't like price haggling so I might be biased. But I remember the guys were so sexy yet quite easy to deal with precovid but in my recent trip I really struggled with the guys there. Because you have to pay for the room at Lagoa the overall price per hire gets very close to 50 euro including the room cost. I don't find the guys there to be far better than guys at thermas in Barcelona so overall there is no cost or beauty advantage for Lagoa. Guys at thermas could be as sexy as Lagoa on weekend or Wednesday, but it also has slightly more diverse crowd: some other Latinos like many Colombians these days and one Spanish is almost always guaranteed these days ( he is really good!) and some Africans as well. I rarely see eastern Europeans anymore. But all charge 50e without discussion or if you just insist everyone will do it for 50e. A lot easier for someone like me who doesn't like to negotiate. 

On the other hand, hotels in Barcelona are insanely expensive these days compared to hotels in Brazil. So there is that. For me, flying into Barcelona is quite cheap compared to Brazil so overall Barcelona works out quite well for me. 

I rarely hire from Internet in Barcelona but I find the online guys in SP are just on their own league in terms of looks and quite reasonably priced if you ask them via local Whatsapp number. You know those 10/10 guys who used to frequent saunas are mostly online and easy to hire in SP. They are just stunning. When I hired them in December to January this year, many would ask only 300 reas, and some 400 but quite a few for 200-250 reas as well. Note that the price is not related to their look, not to mention the quality of the deed is completely unrelated to the price they charge from my experience. But you won't find these amazing looking guys in thermas or Barcelona.

Barcelona is a lot safer and you don't have to worry about your safety but I can't say the same for SP. For visitors like us, Barcelona or Spain gives a lot more protection than Brazil because most escorts in Spain are outsides who cannot afford to be involved with police so they don't do anything sketchy. But you never know what happens when you hire someone from online in SP. There is always some risk. 

Finally I find Brazil to be a very interesting place for parties. They have some crazy events, like the ones discussed in this forum where anyone can play with the guest boys without paying additionally. I was thinking about writing my trip reviews about Brazil but got lazy but maybe I should write one so people can compare.

 

Anyway if you have any particular questions don't hesitate to ask, I just gave a general idea to compare 

[sydneyboy1]

1 hour ago, young11 said:

What do you want to know? I have been to both in the last 6 months. Lagoa is not what it used to be but I guess you know that unless your 8 times were in a distant past. I don't find the guys there as attractive as before, actually struggled to find a guy who can be good: nice body, decent face. Also the price is not set so you have to negotiate and unless you are a regular there, I find the guys at Lagoa can be a bit difficult but I don't like price haggling so I might be biased. But I remember the guys were so sexy yet quite easy to deal with precovid but in my recent trip I really struggled with the guys there. Because you have to pay for the room at Lagoa the overall price per hire gets very close to 50 euro including the room cost. I don't find the guys there to be far better than guys at thermas in Barcelona so overall there is no cost or beauty advantage for Lagoa. Guys at thermas could be as sexy as Lagoa on weekend or Wednesday, but it also has slightly more diverse crowd: some other Latinos like many Colombians these days and one Spanish is almost always guaranteed these days ( he is really good!) and some Africans as well. I rarely see eastern Europeans anymore. But all charge 50e without discussion or if you just insist everyone will do it for 50e. A lot easier for someone like me who doesn't like to negotiate. 

On the other hand, hotels in Barcelona are insanely expensive these days compared to hotels in Brazil. So there is that. For me, flying into Barcelona is quite cheap compared to Brazil so overall Barcelona works out quite well for me. 

I rarely hire from Internet in Barcelona but I find the online guys in SP are just on their own league in terms of looks and quite reasonably priced if you ask them via local Whatsapp number. You know those 10/10 guys who used to frequent saunas are mostly online and easy to hire in SP. They are just stunning. When I hired them in December to January this year, many would ask only 300 reas, and some 400 but quite a few for 200-250 reas as well. Note that the price is not related to their look, not to mention the quality of the deed is completely unrelated to the price they charge from my experience. But you won't find these amazing looking guys in thermas or Barcelona.

Barcelona is a lot safer and you don't have to worry about your safety but I can't say the same for SP. For visitors like us, Barcelona or Spain gives a lot more protection than Brazil because most escorts in Spain are outsides who cannot afford to be involved with police so they don't do anything sketchy. But you never know what happens when you hire someone from online in SP. There is always some risk. 

Finally I find Brazil to be a very interesting place for parties. They have some crazy events, like the ones discussed in this forum where anyone can play with the guest boys without paying additionally. I was thinking about writing my trip reviews about Brazil but got lazy but maybe I should write one so people can compare.

 

Anyway if you have any particular questions don't hesitate to ask, I just gave a general idea to compare  A helpful and very thoughtful response. I visited Sao Paulo 9 times from 2005 and 2016 and have wonderful memories of Lagoa and the old Fragata. As I said I have not been to the new Lagoa and have read mixed opinions on  forums such as this over couple of years. I agree with you 1000% about the safety issue as someone who was mugged in Rio in 2005 an event permanently etched in my memory. The other downside regarding Brazil is the reintroduction of visas a pain the you know where. Again thank you.

[sydneyboy1]

1 hour ago, young11 said:

What do you want to know? I have been to both in the last 6 months. Lagoa is not what it used to be but I guess you know that unless your 8 times were in a distant past. I don't find the guys there as attractive as before, actually struggled to find a guy who can be good: nice body, decent face. Also the price is not set so you have to negotiate and unless you are a regular there, I find the guys at Lagoa can be a bit difficult but I don't like price haggling so I might be biased. But I remember the guys were so sexy yet quite easy to deal with precovid but in my recent trip I really struggled with the guys there. Because you have to pay for the room at Lagoa the overall price per hire gets very close to 50 euro including the room cost. I don't find the guys there to be far better than guys at thermas in Barcelona so overall there is no cost or beauty advantage for Lagoa. Guys at thermas could be as sexy as Lagoa on weekend or Wednesday, but it also has slightly more diverse crowd: some other Latinos like many Colombians these days and one Spanish is almost always guaranteed these days ( he is really good!) and some Africans as well. I rarely see eastern Europeans anymore. But all charge 50e without discussion or if you just insist everyone will do it for 50e. A lot easier for someone like me who doesn't like to negotiate. 

On the other hand, hotels in Barcelona are insanely expensive these days compared to hotels in Brazil. So there is that. For me, flying into Barcelona is quite cheap compared to Brazil so overall Barcelona works out quite well for me. 

I rarely hire from Internet in Barcelona but I find the online guys in SP are just on their own league in terms of looks and quite reasonably priced if you ask them via local Whatsapp number. You know those 10/10 guys who used to frequent saunas are mostly online and easy to hire in SP. They are just stunning. When I hired them in December to January this year, many would ask only 300 reas, and some 400 but quite a few for 200-250 reas as well. Note that the price is not related to their look, not to mention the quality of the deed is completely unrelated to the price they charge from my experience. But you won't find these amazing looking guys in thermas or Barcelona.

Barcelona is a lot safer and you don't have to worry about your safety but I can't say the same for SP. For visitors like us, Barcelona or Spain gives a lot more protection than Brazil because most escorts in Spain are outsides who cannot afford to be involved with police so they don't do anything sketchy. But you never know what happens when you hire someone from online in SP. There is always some risk. 

Finally I find Brazil to be a very interesting place for parties. They have some crazy events, like the ones discussed in this forum where anyone can play with the guest boys without paying additionally. I was thinking about writing my trip reviews about Brazil but got lazy but maybe I should write one so people can compare.

 

Anyway if you have any particular questions don't hesitate to ask, I just gave a general idea to compare 

A helpful and thoughtful response. I traveled to São Paulo 9 times between 2005 and 2016 and have very fond memories of Lagoa and the old Fragata. As I said I have not been to the new Lagoa and have read mixed reports on forums such as this in the past couple of years. Regarding the safety issue I agree with you 1000% as someone who was mugged in Rio at knifepoint in 2005 an event permanently etched in my memory. The other negative with Brazil is the reintroduction of visas an absolute pain. Again thank you.