Yes, Trump and his gang are that stupid. And that cruel.

[stevenkesslar]

I mentioned in a different post that Molly Ball just wrote in the Wall Street Journal that some analyst said that the Big Beautiful Bomb is the least popular piece of legislation in 35 years.  She actually did not cite a name.  And it sounded like it was not a poll so much as some analyst somewhere. Harvard maybe?  Some ignorant DEI hire?

Then again, it is Molly Ball and the Wall Street Journal.    Not exactly democratic socialists.  So I was curious.

So you can see for yourself above.  According to KFF, which I think is as independent as it gets, it looks very bad.  This is the one big beautiful bill that will define Trump and the GOP Congress.  And for Independents it stinks like a piece of shit. It's kind of amazing that even one third of Republicans think it's bad.  Will they go vote in 2026 or 2028, as this plays out?

Basically the only supporters are like our cruel MAGA barking dog, who have been conditioned to be loyal and cruel.  And truthful, of course.  So when they bark the truth on Tik Tok about all the great things this bill really does, that will change things.   Right?

Well, no.  It actually gets much worse, when you get to the Cruelty Questions.  Every one of these questions could be paraphrased this way.  What if you found out that Trump and Republicans did all kinds of unnecessarily cruel things so that his fat cat donors could pay less taxes and rich special interests could have special laws with special favors?

 

 

Where we start out is that 64 % of all voters view the bill unfavorably.  But then as they are told what it actually does to Medicaid and hospitals, it gets worse.  So I doubt Andy Beshear will be booed off the stage when he says this is going to be an absolute fucking disaster for rural hospitals and the rural working class in Kentucky.

Yes, they really are that stupid.  And that cruel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Suckrates]

1 hour ago, stevenkesslar said:

I mentioned in a different post that Molly Ball just wrote in the Wall Street Journal that some analyst said that the Big Beautiful Bomb is the least popular piece of legislation in 35 years.  She actually did not cite a name.  And it sounded like it was not a poll so much as some analyst somewhere. Harvard maybe?  Some ignorant DEI hire?

Then again, it is Molly Ball and the Wall Street Journal.    Not exactly democratic socialists.  So I was curious.

So you can see for yourself above.  According to KFF, which I think is as independent as it gets, it looks very bad.  This is the one big beautiful bill that will define Trump and the GOP Congress.  And for Independents it stinks like a piece of shit. It's kind of amazing that even one third of Republicans think it's bad.  Will they go vote in 2026 or 2028, as this plays out?

Basically the only supporters are like our cruel MAGA barking dog, who have been conditioned to be loyal and cruel.  And truthful, of course.  So when they bark the truth on Tik Tok about all the great things this bill really does, that will change things.   Right?

Well, no.  It actually gets much worse, when you get to the Cruelty Questions.  Every one of these questions could be paraphrased this way.  What if you found out that Trump and Republicans did all kinds of unnecessarily cruel things so that his fat cat donors could pay less taxes and rich special interests could have special laws with special favors?

 

 

Where we start out is that 64 % of all voters view the bill unfavorably.  But then as they are told what it actually does to Medicaid and hospitals, it gets worse.  So I doubt Andy Beshear will be booed off the stage when he says this is going to be an absolute fucking disaster for rural hospitals and the rural working class in Kentucky.

Yes, they really are that stupid.  And that cruel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I continue to say,  MAGA and yahoo Republicans will NEVER believe the Bill is bad and harmful to them, UNIL IT IS !!!!    Dems beating the dead horse about the coming dangers of the Bill fall on deaf Republican ears.....  They are seeing no dangers, so all they Believe is that Dems hate the GOP and are fear mongers....

But once voters go to the doctor or emergency rooms and they are CLOSED,  or they are refused health care because their coverage has been rescinded, and they are sitting in the office embarrassed, red faced and SCARED will they realize the Trump shit was REAL....  but that is gonna take some time.    Until then, its business as usual, no matter how many Polls you want to shove down their throats.....   I know you love facts and polls since,  but Trump slaves dont care about any of that.   If Trump tells them the Bill is GREAT....then it is GREAT !  

[stevenkesslar]

2 hours ago, Suckrates said:

As I continue to say,  MAGA and yahoo Republicans will NEVER believe the Bill is bad and harmful to them, UNIL IT IS !!!!    Dems beating the dead horse about the coming dangers of the Bill fall on deaf Republican ears.....  They are seeing no dangers, so all they Believe is that Dems hate the GOP and are fear mongers....

But once voters go to the doctor or emergency rooms and they are CLOSED,  or they are refused health care because their coverage has been rescinded, and they are sitting in the office embarrassed, red faced and SCARED will they realize the Trump shit was REAL....  but that is gonna take some time.    Until then, its business as usual, no matter how many Polls you want to shove down their throats.....   I know you love facts and polls since,  but Trump slaves dont care about any of that.   If Trump tells them the Bill is GREAT....then it is GREAT !  

It's funny.

I took a few paragraphs of my post out.  Now given what you wrote I wish I'd left them in.

What I said is that for most of my life one political model prevailed.  There was Team Republican and Team Democrat.  And there could be fierce political battles.  But often enough, especially on big things like winning the Cold War or creating a budget surplus, the two teams compromised and got big things done.  And this had an impact.  There are two Presidents who left office having restored trust in government to about 50 % of the public:  Reagan, then Clinton.  I'd argued that is because of what I said.  People noticed that the Cold War ended.  People noticed we had a budget surplus.  Since 2000, no POTUS has cracked something like 20-25 % of people who actually trust the government most of the time.

Now the model is that we have Team Red and Team Blue.  There is much less respect for government, or politicians.  And, partly as result, more Independents who say a pox on both your houses.  But they have not been effective in building a third party.  And, with all due respect to Elon Musk, there is no reason to think they ever will succeed.  Parties can change, which Trump has proven.  But in the US that is how parties evolve.  It is very rare for them to die. 

So then the game becomes trying to convince Independents, who are turned off in general anyway, that the other team is bat shit crazy.  And we have now had a bunch of close elections where it substantially comes down to which way Independents go.

So that is what I took out of the post.  My point is that in a way what Democrats or Republicans think is irrelevant.  All that matters now is Independents.

So from that perspective, we don't have to wonder how to convince Independents that this bill sucks, and is cruel.  The poll says they are there already.  They think the bill sucks.  And it is cruel.  That is the most important political fact.  This is why conservatives like Molly Ball are saying loud and clear in the Wall Street Journal that this is definitely bad news for Republicans.  Who were likely to face headwinds in 2026 anyway.

What is also particularly toxic is that this poll shows that among Republicans who are NOT MAGA supporters, which is of course a minority of Republicans, they think this bill sucks and is cruel, too.   So for at least some slice of Republicans, Democrats are reinforcing what Republicans already believe.  

For Republicans who are MAGA supporters, the poll confirms you are correct.  And our cruel barking dog is proof of concept. He deserves his treat.  Because he is conditioned to bark like mad.  Especially now.  The sick and cruel dog brain is conditioned to think this is loyalty.  Not cruelty.  In fact, if the sick and cruel dog brain could understand polls rather than Tik Tok, the barking dog might realize he is making an ass of himself. 

And I am getting joy out of seeing him do it.  Which I suppose means I am not Mother Theresa.  I never pretended to be.  But the sick and cruel dog is helpless, and proves it with each new post.  So I will just goad him and laugh at him. 

It neither helps not hurts the most important reality:  Independents think this bill is a  cruel piece of shit.