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Well I was thinking that. I never go to Arena or Prince. I can imagine when you live there as an expat that you have many regulars who know you and then I understand it works differently of course. I visit now ones a year (I used to go more often) and most of the times I pick a new face. I assume the way I described it is the normal operating procedure for the massage shops (not being like Prince and Arena) in case the boy is not a regular? Because that is the only experience I have when it comes to massage.

I never shower at the beginning together with the boy. I use the massage places in Jomtien and in Bangkok the ones in soi 6 (not Prince, the ones further down the road). I enter the massage room with the boy, the boy asks me to shower and I shower. They never ever on their own inituitive start undressing and showering together with me. In fact they leave the room when I shower. After shower I go lie on my belly on the bed, naked, and after a while the boy comes back in and starts massage. Near the end of the massage the question comes if I want special, he undresses and the sex starts. So this is not the operating procudere for all your guys??? For your guys it goes like this: 1) Enter room with boy 2) Boy on its own undresses and showers with you 3) You get massage with boy naked Why this difference??

The first post seems to imply the topic starter was surprised the massage started with the boy fully clothed. But all my massages start with the boy clothed and only once we near the end and the happy ending session starts, will the boy take of his clothes when I ask. Do your guys immediately at the start of the massage ask the boy to undress?

I have read through the Boys Agency thread. Most is about using website to book a boy for sex and if you ask massage it is mediocre. I didn't read much about massage salons. So I understand Thailand style gay massage salons dont really exist? Where you can just go inside, book a boy for massage and have a happy ending? The only option are these agency websites? Or apps like Grindr? There are no massage salons really where twinks give massage?

Going to Japan soon Anyone has the locations in Tokyo and Osaka for gay twink massage? And also please some info how it works. Like do I need to make a reservation online first?

What do you think is the reason for this lack of gay gogo's and bars and good massage? They don't want gay tourists? Many Thai guys, gay or not, are willing to sell their body for money. I even ask Thai boys themselves what percentage they think of Thai boys is willing to have sex for money. They all mention percentages around the 90% range. So in Phuket there can't be a lack of willing guys. Ask this question yourself to the Thai guys you know. I am curious if they also quote such a high percentage.

Probably won’t work then for people without a Thai bank account I understand from the above. So the tourist still needs to use cash I guess.

SK = South Korea I assume Was it easy for you to find a gay massage place there ? I was in Seoul last year and I did find a gay massage place but I think they are illegal (well the happy ending is I think). Because they operate online on another name then their actual location. Their location online is wrong also. Only via chat you get the correct one. Same I had in Taipei. Was quite a hassle. I think you can’t legally run adult sex places there. So how did you find the massage places in South Korea? You had the same experience

These suicides were related to not being able to make a living? I understood it’s very easy to find a normal job in Thailand. Like working at a 7-11. So how sure are you to the cause of the suicides? Also inflation in Thailand I suspect to be much lower than in the West. How else do you explain that the baht bus here in Pattaya is set on 10 baht for at least 10 years but I suspect 20 years. Also I do think we give more. Wasn’t 1000 baht tip more normal 10 years ago in Pattaya? Its now 1500. A 50% increase.

At home in the Netherlands I never use cash anymore since a few years. But each time I travel to Thailand I am forced to visit ATMs Why don’t the boys use an app that shows a QR code that you scan with your phone to pay them? No cash required Does anyone of you ever pay the massage fee or the bill for the drinks at a bar with your Mastercard or Visa debit card at a POS terminal at the bar? Do these venues have POS terminals that accept bank cards? I have never consciously seen one

But do they pay ? Or get it for free ?

Interesting what was said about the Thai army controlling the Jomtien complex. Does this mean the army owns the buildings and bars ? And receives part of the profit ?

Female sex tourists who pay for sex ? That is quite rare not? Or is this also becoming more common?

Thanks and the quality of the offering is constant too? If the last is also the case, then I can better keep going during low season. Less crowds and less competition. Ticket prices are lower also So conclusion: if you travel to Thailand only for the gay sex then choose low season: same quantity and quality in offerings, less competition from other farangs and cheaper hotel and tickets. Valid conclusion? This begs of course a follow up question: why do some of your guys go in high season?

I go to Jomtien mostly, to the non reservation ones there. You mean with more competition: there are more tourists so more competition for the available boys? But what I meant the ask is if there aremore boys. Say in slow season there are 15 boys in front of the message shop are it 30 in high season? Say in low season at the Jomtien bars there are 100 boys in the night, are it 200 in high season?

But is there a significant difference in the availability of boys at bars and message places between low and high season? You have more choice in high season? Or is that a thing of the past?

Also more boys in the bars in Jomtien or at massage places? Or that is the same? Only difference is there are more tourists ? Or there is a significant quality and quantity difference in the money boys available ?

I want to experience high season again for the 2nd time in 10 years (I normally go March, October or in between). I was thinking about the last week of this year. But then this has Christmas. Maybe this is a time when many tourists stay home, because the Christmas period is generally a time when the extended family comes together. So my question is: to experience high season is the last week of the year maybe a bad idea because it will feel more like low season because of the reason outlined above?

Thanks. So it was only 6 years old when I first came there

Anyone knows when the Copa hotel came there ?

Thanks

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In the photo below a still of a video on YouTube which shows Boyztown in 1999 If I compare this with the current buildings most current buildings don't appear to be there. Look at the building where now Boyz Boyz Boyz is and the Ambiance hotel, these appear to be different buildings now. Also at the front far left side you see a brown/black building but I don't recognize its shape at all (compare for example with Google street view). Also if you look good the building where now Panorama bar is, looked totally different and there is a big building at the far end (we only see its top floor) that isn't there anymore at all. Anyone knows that indeed after 1999 a lot of demolition and construction happened in Boyztown? It also appears the Copa hotel is relatively new. I think it came into being only after 2005? I don't mean the building itself, but the hotel. Another strange thing. The Boyztown sign changes every few years. I wonder why. I first arrived in 2014 and I am already at my third sign. But before there were at least 2 others (if I search google for older photos). I assume the local hotel and bar owners pay for this sign, but why replace it with a new one every few years? They make so much money that they don't know what to do with it and just decide to make a new sign again? Here the photo from 1999:https://drive.google.com/open?id=13SS426fWEmZE7f0mV24wubFLCUNOqU6S&usp=drive_fs Edit: From a Japanese website I have this: In 1980, Suttham Phanthusak, a successful foreign exchange entrepreneur in Pattaya, invested in Wichai’s transgender show. The show gradually developed into the internationally renowned Tiffany’s Show. Meanwhile, Michael Burchall bought the Cockpit Bar, a go-go bar and restaurant for gay men, and reopened it in 1985. Other bars and restaurants were subsequently added to the same street where the Cockpit Bar was located, and around 1989, the bar owners decided to name the street Boyztown - the first gay town in Pattaya

I had to use Google to search what sanuk means. It means “fun”. So I assume you mean with your post that you were happy with the gay massage places coming into being, so you didn’t have to wait for to bars to open ?

I have been back in the Netherlands since last Sunday