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Best of luck to you. I hope your bar will be a great success.

Often starting as early as 7:00am!!! And it is also quite common to see letters-to-the-editor in English language newspapers complaining of karaokes blaring their music at all hours of the night, not giving the first damn whether the local residents like it or not.

Be that as it may, if we include Lvdkeyes' explanation of his vote, that's 32 out of 40 votes so far that dislike the loud music. I hope that tells all the bar owners something, especially if they want our business.

Considering that most of us are probably unfamiliar with these places, can you tell us the names and addresses of where they are located?

That's up to GT, but personally I see no need. If you knew how rare it was for any of us to actually get thanked for anything around here, it would make much more sense as to why I wouldn't bother making a special icon or code.

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I'll bet the boss was there.

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Which means none of them came around to check if you had finished your drinks and wanted another. I agree with z909 in that the boss can't be there all the time, but in any bar I would think the boss would want to make sure someone responsible is there. This is what happens when you leave a few kids in charge of your establishment. If the boss was there, then he needs to figure out that he ought to regularly come out and check on what's going on. If I was the boss and found out that my employees are busy playing cards and ignoring my customers, those employees would get a very quick education.

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I hope you brought this to the boss's attention. I don't think he would be very happy to know he is paying his staff to play cards instead of taking care of customers, especially these days when so many bars are lucky to get any customers at all. This is very unusual. At most host bars the boys are always very attentive. This is exactly the kind of thing I've been talking about. If you had been treated well and the boys were attentive to you, you would almost certainly return next time you go to Jomtien Complex. Now, somehow I don't foresee you or your friends making a special trip to go to the same bar. There are plenty of host bars in Jomtien Complex and every one of them want your business. I think you will probably go to someone else's bar next time, where you are welcomed and treated well. Who would want to spend time and money in a bar where the hosts act as if they're doing you a favor by paying any attention to you and where you can't get service even when you're the only ones there?

What's the matter, don't you believe in a next life? Besides, I think we have accomplished something. Personally, I think the "pissing and moaning" is a good thing. I like the idea of beating this particular dead horse. "He'll hang there 'till he rots!" - Charles McGraw, 'Spartacus'

Ahem . . . I really don't think the message board is the appropriate place for people to be making their personal hotel arrangements. In the future, please do that by PM or Email.

Here 'tiz . . .

Two sides to every story. You folks out there can believe who you want, but until now I have never heard a complaint about Tui, but I've sure heard plenty about farang who publicly make fools of themselves.

You might be surprised at how many bar owners do read these forums, but rarely post on any of them. If they are not aware of the results of this little poll, they'll know soon enough. The next question is whether they'll pay any attention to what is being said here.

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I certainly will. Many of us are very familiar with Tui's Place. For those of you who aren't, he's right there in the heart of the gay beach. His hotel rooms are very nice. I've been in a couple of them and if I wanted to stay at the beach, Tui's Place would be my first choice. He also has a very nice little restaurant. Good food at very reasonable prices. When you're on the beach and you order food, quite likely it is Tui's Place that prepares it. That's where many of the concessionaires get it from. He also has absolutely immaculate, spotlessly clean restrooms. If you are at the beach, he charges 10 baht for use of the restrooms. Directly across from Tui's Place is that circular restroom on the beach, run by the lady I call "5-Baht Mary." She charges 5 baht to use her restroom facilities and it wouldn't hurt her to take some lessons from Tui about cleanliness and maintenance. So, you get a choice . . . "5-Baht Mary" or "10-Baht Tui." Personally I think it's worth another 5 baht to be able to use a good toilet facility.

I hope the other bar owners will do the same thing. At least you're trying. You're to be commended for that, and I think everyone will appreciate it and give your bar another chance. I certainly will. Some of the other bar owners seem as if they couldn't care less about what their customers want. And they can't figure out why their bars are empty.

The boys do like it that way. That explanation has been given to me many times too. And it makes little sense to me. One of these days maybe they'll realize they make their money by attracting and catering to the wishes of the customers, not the go-go boys. The way I see it, if the boys want to dance to excessively loud music, then after work go to a disco. But they're in the bars to work there. I could be wrong, of course, but my logic tells me that people at work need to cater to the wishes of their customers, not just themselves. I don't see how it could be any more obvious. The majority of bar customers are farang and the majority of farang are making it plain they don't want excessively loud music. Someone is going to have to very carefully explain to me how, knowing this, it still makes sense for the bars to keep the music volume excessively loud anyway. As strange is this may seem, if a bar has excessively loud music, pushy mama-sans, is permitting their go-go boys to stand there doing nothing but the "One-Knee Shuffle," is charging much more for drinks and off fees than other bars in town, has uncomfortable furniture, filthy stinking toilets, has aggressive touts standing outside blocking my path and trying to physically pull me into the bar, then guess what. The chances of me being a customer in your bar are absolutely nil. And I have a feeling I'm not alone in that. Very sorry, but I don't go to bars at which it's much more of a chore than an enjoyable experience being in there. I'm leaving out the part about the same, tired old crappy drag queen shows, with the lady boys wearing ridiculous costumes and lousy lip-synching. A lot of people like those and do go to those so-called shows. I don't. As soon as those shows start, I'm out the door. That may be the subject of the next poll . . . In any case, most bars are complaining that they're not getting the customer numbers. Three guesses why. When on earth are you going to start paying attention to what your customers want and start doing something to make your bar attractive and a place where customers want to spend their evening as well as their money? As you're putting the "For Sale" sign on your door?

Despite the explanations, you're still going to call it "milk"? Coconuts used for drinking the "water" - that's "water" ChristianPFC - are immature coconuts. It's easy with use of a machete or other kind of heavy knife. If the coconut has matured and the "meat" has become solid, now the coconut is almost rock hard. On one end of a mature coconut you'll see three spots, better known as 'eyes.' One of those 'eyes' is usually soft enough to bore through it with a sharp knife.

The trouble is you also can't hear the boy you may have called over when you're trying to make chit-chat with him or make off arrangements with him. Others may view it differently, but spending time, as well as money, in a bar where the music volume is causing painful, aching, ear throbbing, along with making it impossible to simply talk to someone sitting right next to you, somehow doesn't make it to my list of enjoyable, fun ways to spend an evening.

Well, bar owners, it looks like the point is already made. You can see the results this poll is so far producing just as well as the rest of us can. Now will you give some thought to turning down the volume? I don't know what more needs to be said. You're the ones looking for customers. This aspect of what it takes to get customers seems simple enough to deal with. So, what will you do? Will you reduce the volume or will you continue to cause a significant number of your potential customers to go someone else's bar? The choice is yours.

You're a true dreamer, z909 . . .