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Again, thanks for all the feedback. I probably won’t be doing a trip report to describe my three week BKK and Phuket trip during Songkran, GCircuit and days after, since I only had sex with two people (my BF – American, and my buddy – Burmese), so it’s probably boring compared to the other reports here . It’s my first time in Phuket, and I spent 4 days and 3 nights in Phuket with my young Burmese buddy. Some general about the city (and the trip with my buddy, in general): 1) I wasn’t prepared for the airport being as far from Patong as it was. Not as far as Pattaya is from Suvarnabhumi (I use a 900 baht car service that gets me to Boyztown), but not as close to BKK is. There is a 100 Baht surcharge on top of the metered rate if you use the taxis. I was not prepared to use public transport, and it was very hot, so was more than happy to pay the 730 Baht fate (including the surcharge), to get to the Holiday Inn Resort in Patong. 2) Patong Beach really is a much better beach than Pattaya’s, and we went there to walk all three days for the sunset. Reminded me of Waikiki beach. No desire from both of us to swim it, since the hotel pools were way more awesome. 3) The gay club scene was kind of paltry, compared to BKK’s or Pattaya’s. But at least there was one. Enjoyed ZAG and YES! Clubs. Gogo boys were much older than we were used to, but still hot nevertheless. In contrast, the girlie bars on Soi Bangla was ALIVE with activity. We even decided to have drinks at one because of all the excitement around the area. Maybe we went on off nights (non weekend, after Songkran, before Pride). 4) Grindr less commercial than Pattaya. In Pattaya, I’ll be slammed with Money Boys advertising their wares, often for really cheap. In Phuket, I got a total of one MB offering massage and “everything” sex for 1500 Baht (discounted to 1300 Baht a day later). Maybe it is a function of Songkran and boys went home for the holidays, or if it is just how Phuket is. 5) You guys were right, Phuket is better to be experienced with a friend. It is less gay, and less gay-visible, so having a buddy to explore and see the sites is better. It is also surprisingly romantic: the sunset, the vibe, the food, all lent to love being in the air. Maybe it was just me and the Burmese boy I was with, but boy, was I in trouble. I’ll probably go back again, this time with my BF. Thanks for the advice!

Cool I'll be there in 3 days!

Cool. One of the few I drink straight up. Guess I'll have to go to the ATM for that one.

I hope so . I've had that happen a few times last few trips. Thanks for the tip.

Wow 4k! That's pricey stuff. What kind of booze is it? I guess I should be thankful that the US dollar is (still, relatively) strong.

Question 3: OK, so I'll pretty much handle this like a short-time off. I'll ask the boy if it is OK to take him to DJ and/or restaurant. I'm pretty much going to tip him prevailing short time rate. 3some may or may not happen (80% might not happen), but will tip accordingly. I do not expect us to off a guy, but wanted to leave this as an option for us at least. vinapu: We might off a boy who I've offed in the past. Known quantity, and most probably worth the short time off fee. ChristianPFC: thanks for the link, interesting to see a lot of other people's perspective on the matter. Glad I am not the only one thinking of doing this. DivineMadman: the point for us is taking an "actual working gogo boy" out to dancing and food, not necessarily just have any other kind of boy for companionship. I'd like the BF to have interaction with a gogo boy not just in a bar. There will be plenty of opportunities for us to make new friends during GCircuit (as I have, with my friends, the past two parties). Who knows, we may get new Thai (or whatever) friends this way, as I hope we do. Good point about TIME being important thus my preference in paying him prevailing short time off fee, sex or no sex. colmx: again, looks like you have a ton of experience with this. Thanks for sharing your systematic way of handling a third boy. I hope we don't end up with a shit bag lol (that word cracks me up for no apparent reason). Good point about your Thai boyfriend using his advantage to communicate your wishes. I may use this tactic in Phuket with my Thai-Speaking Burmese boy.

Question 2: We probably won't do this in every bar (I do not see this happenning in Jupiter, for example). colmx: Looks like you have a lot of experience with this. Great tips thanks. I'll be prepared to pay more for mixers if need be. The point is to make the boys happy and sit with us while there is a show. gerefan: 1800 baht for a bottle seems reasonable, since accounting for both our drinks and the boys drink (350 baht X 3 or 4 = 1050 - 1400 baht), its close to that amount anyway. And its probably less money overall than we are used to in West Hollywood ($10 - $15 a drink, 5 or so drinks a night per person). Regardless, not looking to penny pinch that much this vacation. I'll let you know how much Dreamboys BKK will "rob" us . If they charge more than L.A. I'll be impressed. Hong Kong bars definitely charge more at times. DivideMadman: I'm prepared to have a roll of 100 baht these 4 nights we will be doing this . Thanks for the tip. I'll definitely do this at Hot Male now.

Question 1: Great stuff guys. So summarizing: I should not be worried about having guys sit with us as long as: 1) I tip him 100 baht, or 100 baht each for my BF and I 2) Get him a drink, or two, making boy (getting his cut) and mamasan happy (less harassment from them) 3) Tell him we are not offing him, and he is free to go if someone else is interested in him firecat69: thanks for thinking I will be generous. I do tip on the high side (I am easy to please I think), and usually have good luck picking boys who have positive attitudes.

Believe it or not, there is a ton of other stuff you can do in Bangkok other than offing hot guys. I know right, what a concept. Though that is all I did last February for two weeks, this trip is different. It's never a waste of time and money to have fun in Bangkok, whatever fun that would be, IMHO. YMMV of course . I'll be back to my whoring ways in June.

I wish I got commission from the Marriott Pattaya because of this sale . I screwed the boy on the lounge. Does that count?

I use torrents. Probably not the most legal thing to do, but maybe better than getting it in Thailand and risking customs (I have no experience with this).

So this time next week my BF and I will be flying from LAX to BKK for Songkran and the GCircuit party, and me going to Phuket after that. So I have THREE questions in this post. Bear with me while I try to put some context to every one: 1. How much tip would be appropriate for a gogo boy who just sits with us for the whole gogo show? My BF and I will be having about 4 nights alone together before our friends fly into BKK to hang out with us. It is my BF’s first time in BKK and he wants to see why I like going to gogo bars so much (I think he’ll figure it out the minute we step into Soi Twilight), so we intend to go to a gogo bar with a show on all those 4 nights (Dreamboys, Tawan, Hotmale, Jupiter possibly). Since we are not into threesomes, and we have no intention of offing anyone for ourselves (but you never know, it is after all Thailand), we are OK with just seeing the show, but I thought it would be nice to have a boy sit with us for the whole show, and then tipping him after the show and not offing him. How much would the appropriate tip be for the boy? 100 baht? 500 baht? I want to be fair to the boy. Bear in mind: a. he will be sitting with us in underwear for at least an hour during the show b. if he is with us, he will potentially miss some customers who would want to off him c. we would like to talk to him, touch him, hold his hand etc d. we will buy him his drink or two, we don’t care 2. Do some gogo bars provide alternate drinks, i.e. a bottle of whiskey or vodka, and we can share this with a boy or two, and maybe some bar food like peanuts, so we can socialize with the gogo boys this way? How much with this be? I’ve seen this happen in Tawan, Dreamboys BKK and Boyzboyzboyz Pattaya, where some guy (always an Asian – chinese or thai not sure) has a bottle of whiskey etc and is sharing his drinks with gogo boys and all the boys flock to him. I think this would be fun, since we like to drink, and I think it would not be too expensive to do this (I’m pretty sure it’ll be cheaper than a typical WeHo clubbing night for us). I’d still want to tip the boys who partake of the drinks and food with us. 3. What if we had a boy sit with us and we decide to “off” him and take him to DJ Station or G.O.D. and/or go for food, but not have sex with him, is this unheard of, and if it’s not, how much is the tip? I figure the tip would be the same as a short time tip, even if there is no sex. We can also be upfront with the boy and tell him that we just want to dance/eat with him and not have sex, and agree on a price, but I wanted to see if anyone here has any experience with this kind of off. The boy will be leaving us once we go back to the hotel. I just want my BF to have a good time with me at the gogo bars in BKK, and would like him to have at least some interaction with the gogo boys. I know that he would not be into offing a boy for himself or for a threesome (knowing him as I do all these years), but I will not be opposed to it if it happens. Regardless, I am just glad that my BF is finally seeing BKK with me. Any input would be appreciated!

I concur with firecat69 on his recommendation of the Marriott. Close to five star services, swimming pool has a swim up bar (pictured) so no kids in that area, and they dont have a joiner fee and only sometimes check for ID (they did this to me only once in 5 stays). There's even a backdoor way to sneak in 2 or 3 boys through the Royal Garden Plaza mall doors (first and second floors), or the Beach Rd entrance, which I have tried to do at least once when 1 boy has not been enough. It's a 5 minute walk to Boyztown, and all the boys I've offed in Boyztown knew where the hotel was when I tell them where I was staying. Photos of the swim up bar by the pool, and a 5th floor corner room balcony with lounges (huge balcony), with a boy I offed April last year:

I just downloaded a bunch of porn off the internet tonight and it's funny that I run into this hot video called "Horny Houseboy" and one of the boys in it looks like Oliver. Is it him? Regardless, it's a fun video. Bareback too, which is interesting. Apologies in advance if the photos I uploaded are not appropriate for this forum. If they are not, please take them down. I've masked the naughty bits:

Hopefully it is forever, especially since it doesn't feel like its been 8 years . Haha @ smelling the icing. If smells could transmit through video, I'd probably get horny right away, because those gogo bars smell like boys and testosterone, or as vinapu has said about the smells in Tawan are like: "sperm mixed with rose petals, plum ketchup and cough syrup".

Haha it just worked out that way. This is a more traditional vacation (i.e. more sightseeing, shopping, pampering, less sex tourist, sex massage, Grindr hookups). It's fun, but a different kind of fun . Of course things happen, especially in LOS, so you never know LOL. Yes I would like to know what the name of the bar is as well, if it still exists.

Thanks, this is great info. I'll follow your advice and probably just decide there the day before if we want to go to Phi Phi. Since time is a premium for us this trip, an after breakfast departure, followed by lunch and then departure mid-afternoon sounds great. And 800 baht sounds like a better deal than the $80 or so I see on viator.com

Are the speed boat rides especially bumpy? I imagine April to not have inclement weather but still not a fan of bumpy boat rides. Maybe Phi Phi is worth the uncomfortable ride? Great pics of the island online. Between Phang Nga Bay or Phi Phi which one is better? 12 more days till Thailand

Well, I wouldn't say we are smart. Lucky, more likely. We were both lucky enough to meet almost 8 years ago, both after the end of disastrous relationships. I could not believe how low-maintenance he was (still is), and not needy at all. He is still very much a lover to me, as well as a best friend, but the difference is just my sex drive is running at 100 miles per hour, whereas his is a slow-burn, thus my predilection to get more sex elsewhere. This difference in libido has never been an issue for us. Some of our friends don't understand how the relationship works. Sometimes I don't know how as well. It just works. It does sound that I am having my cake and eating it too. I see it as a cake made of my BF as the cake bread part, and the Thai/Lao/Cambodia/Burma boys as the icing. And there is so much icing to be had LOL. It's funny you mention Skype while you are in LOS. I don't think I video-chatted with my BF the whole two weeks I was gone during this trip report. He is just that low maintenance. In contrast, Xboy Guy has video chatted with me numerous times already since I've been back here in the USA, mostly at X-Boys during the show. XBoy Guy usually Lines me at around 10:05 PM Thai time (8 AM in California), when they are done parading onstage and the first show starts, when most of the boys are either in the show or just backstage or with customers. Many times when I ask about the show, if he is not with a customer, he video calls me in the bar and streams the show in progress. I can only take 5 minutes at a time of this though, since video streaming a bar show through a phone camera is not exactly hi-def video, and the sound sucks. A screenshot of one of his streams (you can see how crappy the quality is):

Thanks. I'm definitely staying in Patong. I've made a reservation at the Holiday Inn Phuket - Patong Beach, and it looks walkable to the gay area, as well as the beach. Anyone had experience staying at the hotel? Looks OK on TripAdvisor, and I emailed the hotel and they are no joiner fees. I can definitely cancel if there are issues with it, or if anyone has a great alternative that is accessible to both nightlife and the beach. As far as activities, I'm looking at a Canoe ride on Phang Nga Bay and do caving: http://www.viator.com/tours/Phuket/Canoe-Cave-Explorer-Phang-Nga-Bay-Tour-from-Phuket/d349-3685HKT09C And maybe sign up for this city tour: http://www.viator.com/tours/Phuket/Private-Tour-Phuket-Introduction-City-Sightseeing-Tour/d349-3685HKT05P Anyone have experience with organized tours in Phuket like the Cave exploring one and the city tour one?

I'd like to confirm this, if anyone knows it: does Tawan usually have second shows at 12 midnight on weekends (Friday and Saturday, or Friday to Sunday)?

No problem. I'm glad this is of use to some of you. PM me when you know your dates. I have 3 more trips planned this year, including next month.

Cool, I'll be in April 6 with the BF and some friends from Cali. Might be hanging out with them through Songkran but things will slow down for me by the 17th or 18th. If you wanna grab a bite or coffee, I'll be down for sure.

Thanks guys. It was fun recounting all the fun stuff that happened. I think it was better to do all of this after the trip was over, since I barely had time to focus on anything serious (like writing) while I am having fun . If I was to do it again, I would probably include photos in all the posts. I usually take photos of all the boys, and the hotel. Also, I wish I started earlier, with my previous trips.

Day 15 Not really a trip report per se, because my time in Thailand has come to an end. I check-in with ANA for my flight to Tokyo, sadly there was a but of a line, and it takes me 30 minutes to get to the counter: I am then taking United Airlines from Tokyo to Los Angeles. I don’t dread the flight this time as I did going to Thailand, because its usually shorter (2 hours less to Tokyo, about 2 hours less to California, due to help from the jet stream direction), and because my BF is in the other end of my flight, waiting for me. I figure I’d use the time at the airport waiting on my flight to reminisce and figure out what worked and what didn’t this trip. THIS TRIP: Primary Goal: To have as much sex as possible – Mission accomplished Secondary Goal: Exercise everyday, eat healthy – First week great, second week got sick, did not exercise towards the end Tertiary Goal: Get 2 suits and shirts tailored – Success, minor hiccup Did not happen: did not go to any new places or tourist spots, did not shop too much, did not go to massage shops NEXT TRIP in April: Primary Goal: Tour more places with BF, go to Phuket with Burmese friend Secondary Goal: Check out new gogo bars with BF/Burmese guy Tertiary Goal: Get pampered with facials, wholesome massage, body scrubs with BF/Burmese guy Will probably not happen: Will not off any new guys due to BF/friend L. Meet free guys on Grinder/Hornet/PRomeo, will not go to boy massage shops New guys met: 10 (6 offs, 4 free boys thru gay app) Repeat guys: 6 (4 offs, 2 money boy thru gay app) Short Time Offs: 7 boys Long Time Offs: 6 boys Best off: Xboy guy Worst off: Nice Boys guy Best app hookup: Hotel guy in Pattaya Worst app hookup: Older guy in BKK who did not look like his pics Best bar experience: Xboys Worst bar experience: Nice Boys, maybe I went on an off night Most visited bar: Boyzboyzboyz in Pattaya, best selection of boys Bar I wish I visited more: Tawan, but I cut BKK trip short in favor of Pattaya Bar I need to visit again: Nice Boys, and Sunee Plaza in general Best hotel: Crowne Plaza in BKK Worst hotel: Aya Hotel in Pattaya (not really bad, and will stay again) Fell in love: 3 times (numerous times with Xboy Guy and Cambodia Guy, 5 minutes with FM2) Hated the guy: Older Grindr guy, Nice Boys off Biggest Surprise: Xboy Guy not charging for company from 3 AM to 5 PM on 4th time Same same: Cambodia guy trying to get more money from me Best Sex: Xboy guy (Cambodia guy close second) Best boyfriend experience: Dreamboys Thai guy Best Conversation: Cambodia guy As a parting gift, here was my first off this trip, the Screwboys guy: