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I visited Salvador two weeks ago and made stops at both Clube 11 and Sauna Fox. Both venues were running well, with a solid selection of GPs to choose from.   On Thursday evening, I spent time at Sauna Fox—reportedly their busiest night. The venue is very well-maintained, with spotless facilities, stylish suites, a proper sauna, and a steam room, all of which create a relaxed and comfortable atmosphere. I had a good time, although I found the GPs there to be a bit on the pushy side.   For the rest of my nights, I gravitated toward Clube 11, which I personally preferred. It had a livelier vibe, a wider variety of GPs, and a more central, convenient location. The going rate per program was 150 reals, though it’s usually possible to negotiate closer to 100. With current exchange rates, I didn’t find much reason to haggle. Overall, I was very satisfied with both the quality of the GPs and the service.   Clube 11 typically starts filling up around 5 PM, with most GPs leaving around 8 PM when the evening entertainment, whether a show or bingo, kicks off. Do note that both saunas are closed on Mondays.   Locals also mentioned that there are two other gay saunas in Salvador, but I was consistently told that these do not accommodate GRs.   Lastly, I dropped by Zoom Gay Bar:   https://www.instagram.com/zoomgaybarsalvador/    A lively venue with great music and plenty of action. The place was absolutely packed on Saturday night for their famous “MAIOR ROLA DE SALVADOR” (the big dick competition)—which was definitely a spectacle!

Come on, let's be fair.  
Garotos have expenses for travel to the sauna and must pay sauna admission.  Some garotos live a long distance from a sauna and spend a lot of travel time.   I know some garotos who travel more than two hours each way to a sauna.  
While a garoto is in a sauna, he is spending his time.
The expense to get to the sauna and to enter the sauna and to wait around hunting and hoping for a client, means that a garoto puts in more than just a few minutes or even one hour to make his money.   Don't forget, some garotos go to a sauna and do not meet a client.  Those garotos are out the expenses for travel and entrance plus their wasted time.   
There are the special garotos that get many clients in a night.  Those are not the typical garoto.    
While it might seem like a garoto is making money for little time and effort, it is only an illusion.   We must factor in travel, entrance and their time invested hunting for a client. 
True, a garoto makes more than the average non skilled worker in Brazil but most garotos put in a lot of time for the money they make in the saunas.

So true, and most of the time it is probably about 20 minutes of work.
In some cases, maybe 5 minutes  

Apparently you don't.
Yup.
Yeah even I, a newbie to Brazil, knew what that meant. 
I get it that it is hard for some people to stay helpful and positive. Still, it is hard to read it sometimes when you yourself are trying to be helpful and positive. 

not sure what’s stuck up your ass tonight but you are being a jerk!  the primary purpose of this board is to talk about Gay Sex south of the border! unless i missed the announcement by Oz that you are now the moderator?!
and everyone who has visited Brazil for longer then a hour knows that “gozar means to “Cum”!  no one has to google it except you evidently! We get it You think you are a hot Black escort from Atlanta that can get all the free sex he wants in Brazil! great! Again as OZ has said innumerable times, if you don’t like a post MOVE ON! Don’t rain on all of us less fortunate then you! your posts the last few days have been a combo of Dismissive/contrary/demeaning/argumentative and rude! try being a little helpful and positive! I have been repeating answers to posters for years! big deal!  if your time is so precious why waste it here? because IMHO you are helping no one!

Haha.  These boards are primarily about sex and experiences at saunas and with garotos.
Personally, I enjoy reading about other people’s saunas and sex experiences in Brazil, even yours...despite the fact you usually only show up in posts to throw shade and/or troll

Axiom, we, know, believe us, we DO know. (Except 29x2=55????)
Yes, it is 6 times cheaper than in NYC  
What you don’t seem to realise, is that everyone earns 6 times less than in NYC, on average. The waitress in a restaurant. The guy working behind a desk in a bank. The local pastor. The guy that collects bins. The lady that cleans my hotel room. 
Everything is in proportion. If we were all to give US$300-350 to a garoto for 1 full hour of penetrative sex with cum (which is what it costs in NYC these days) instead of $55, the garotos would become the richest people in their neighbourhood. That is not a problem in itself, but then I can’t afford as many guys, so, no thank you, I pay the local fair price, which is a very good price for Brazil, whether you like it or not. 
And then I am generous (when I say generous, i don’t mean an extra $12, I mean smartphone-price level) to the guys who are amazing and make me feel young and sexy. 

1) I suppose you would be fine buying a new car from a dealership for 50k and then learning your friend bought the exact same car for 25k?  
I suppose you also wouldn’t care if the car salesman told everyone else you were a dumb American and were stupid enough to pay double?  The difference between 100 and 200 reals is 2x.  Tomcal has reported before garotos making fun of clients behind their backs who overpay.
2) I don’t expect to get charged less than an unattractive client.  But I certainly don’t expect to get charged more.  
3) You are assuming my generosity amounts to $12 extra when you really have no idea what I have given or am capable of giving

For me it isn’t so much the dollar amount as it is not wanting the garoto to view me as gullible or stupid.  
If I choose to be generous, I want that to be my decision, and not the garoto thinking he is pulling a fast one on me.
It’s also annoying to see the same garoto later with a local older/overweight/whatever client and thinking that they are charging that client less than me.

its like watching a telenovela

Day 5: Sao Paulo to Porto Alegre. Baiano to Carioca.
New adventure today! I am heading to Porto Alegre. I am leaving Marcos, the Intercontinental, and Sao Paulo behind. I am bringing with me some souvenirs from the tours, gifts from Marcos, and some bruises on my body courtesy of Grindr Boy yesterday. I was not able to go Lagoa at all the last 4 nights, and I actually had two chances to do so, but because of laziness and crowd control, I was unable to do so. But there is still next Saturday, the day I return to Sao Paulo, before I catch a flight back to the USA on the following Sunday, so I still have one more chance to visit the legendary Lagoa.
But my thoughts are not to Saturday at the moment. Right now my thoughts are to Porto Alegre, as well as Gramado and Canela. While PA has saunas, the other two cities do not, therefore I had to get a companion for this stretch, as I was not in the mood to burn hours on Grindr to find someone to tour with me. I chose Gabriel, the subject of my previous trip report. He is a garoto in Rio, working at Club 117. So since he is a garoto, unlike Marcos, I had to pay for Gabriel's time. I have no problem with this of course. 
Gabriel has been my first and only garoto hire in Brazil. I had a fabulous time with him last time, but because it was only one night, my time with him was painfully short. I was eager to spend more time with him. I have been in constant contact with him all these months in between trips, and have built a rapport with him. He only asked for money once, and I said no. After that he kept talking to me as if nothing happened, and never asked for money again. I thought he would stop talking after that denial. I was wrong.
As soon as I knew I was going to Porto Alegre, I asked Gabriel through WhatsApp if he could go with me. He said yes right away.  I was honest with him, and told him that I will want to go on Grindr and will have sex with other guys while he was there, and I may have to go to the saunas and get garotos as well. He said that this arrangement was perfect, and said that he would even go with me to the saunas and have 3 ways with me if i wanted. I was sold. Also, he was actually curious about what other saunas looked like. It would be fun for him too.
The tricky part about asking him was probably the most important detail of all: how much should I pay him. He is not going to go with me for free, that much is clear. I am taking him away from 117 and Rio for 4 nights to be with me in Rio Grande do Sul. That’s 4 nights of not working in 117. And if there is any payment involved, I am the kind of guy that wanted things in simple black and white. The payment terms needed to be clear. So I asked him, in one of our conversations on Whatsapp before the trip, what his nightly rate for me was.
He first countered with a “whatever you think is best,” which is an answer that I hate. I wanted a firm price so there was no gray area, no hard feelings and no second guessing. I asked him again. He thought about it, and then said 500 reals a night, or $140. I felt this was fair. I would expect him to get this amount in a normal night in 117. I know he is fairly popular. Normally I would have just said yes, but for some reason I was in a bargaining mood. I just countered with a “That’s too expensive,” without giving a reason. He then says he can charge 500 reals on days we have sex, and 300 reals on days we do not have sex. I countered with something like “But I will want to have sex with you everyday because you are hot.” And this was true. He is hotter than the sun. There was no way on earth I will not spend every waking moment enjoying him.
He told me he will think about it, and then told me he was going to work, since our conversation happened on a late afternoon. I received a message from him after work, around 12 midnight Rio time, telling me that he was just OK with anything he gives me. I then just threw out a “250 real a night?” or 70 dollars, which is half of his initial offer. And he said yes. That was cheap. For a guy I will have sex with multiple times a day. Maybe tonight was a really bad night at 117 for him. Anyway, at least I had a base to work with. It was a guarantee that I will give him more than 250 reals a night anyway, plus I planned on taking him to a shopping spree as well (for me and for him), as well planning on gifting him a $55 cellphone (the LG Phoenix 3), so I will take care of him for sure. I take care of people who take care of me. Gabriel is no exception.
So with the ugly and unromantic (but necessary) subject of monetary compensation out of the way, I was free to plan our vacation together. There was the matter of buying Gabriel’s flight to Porto Alegre. I already bought my tickets to PA on Azul airlines. I looked on the Azul website and saw some departures from the SDU airport in Rio, which is the closer airport to Sao Goncalo where Gabriel lives, which is just about after one crosses the Rio-Niteroi bridge. The cheaper flights connected to Guarulhos on the way to PA. I thought it would be fun to meet Gabriel in Guarulhos airport and take that flight to PA together, sitting next to each other, to catch up and get reacquainted. So I book the flights ($120 roundtrip), booking the “Mais Azul” fare, the one with check-in baggage included in the price, and we were set.
So today I get a WhatsApp from Gabriel super early this morning, telling me that he was leaving his apartment in Rio. And Marcos (remember him?) and I leave the hotel today together, in the same Uber, for the aiport. Marcos was pretty chipper today, considering having had to go through an ordeal just yesterday. He held my hand the whole way to the airport. His flight departure today was 2 hours after mine, so he will have plenty of time to make his flight. Since his flight was with LATAM his departure was in Terminal 2 of Guarulhos. Azul flew out of Terminal 1. I ask the driver to drop Marcos off first at Terminal 2, before going to Terminal 1 to drop me off. When we get to Terminal 2, Marcos gives me a warm hug before leaving the Uber. It was fun kid. And then the Uber had to leave the airport to get back to Terminal 1. The terminal looked way smaller than Terminal 2.
At this point Gabriel would have been already in GRU, his layover from the Rio flight, but I have not heard from him yet. I go to the check-in counter. No lines today. I get greeted by the attendant in Portuguese. Upon seeing my American passport, the attendant shifts to flawless English. I get my boarding pass. I go through security pretty quickly. Again no lines. This is the advantage of Azul having a virtually dedicated Terminal just for them. Terminal 2 of GRU is a circus compared to this Terminal.
Once in the secure area I check the Arrivals display. I see that Gabriel’s flight has arrived, but still no messages from Gabriel. I was a little worried. There was still an hour to go before boarding, so I wait patiently. 20 minutes before boarding I finally get a Whatsapp message, and then a flood of them, from Gabriel. He said that he arrived safely, but he needed to find a cellphone shop to buy some more data for his phone. Unfortunately, he said, Terminal 1 had too little shops, and didn’t have the shop he needed, so he had to take the airport shuttle to get to Terminal 2. And he had to wait long for that. He got to Terminal 2 but had to find the shop amongst the circus in the terminal. That took some time too. Once he got data in his phone, he then messaged me.

I told him to get back here to Terminal 1 soon so he can make boarding. He said he is waiting for the shuttle. Pretty soon pre-boarding announcements were being made. I was getting antsy. I keep checking the back where the security checkpoint was to see if Gabriel will appear. And then it was the start of boarding. They board by seating, so I line up in the appropriate lane. 15 minutes in line and boarding started. The Azul status members line get in first. I take another glance in the back to check. And then I see him, just in the nick of time. I see Gabriel emerging from security, looking a little bit stressed, scanning the hall, looking for our gate. He sees it and starts sprinting towards the queue.
I put a hand up and he sees me. An incredible wide smile greets me. He looked so relieved. He joins me in line, giving me a side hug. “Ate que enfim!” I whisper to him, he finally made it. “Estava muito preocupado,” he answers, saying he was worried. “Eu tambem,” I reply, concurring. We both laugh. It was nice to see him. He was wearing a sleeveless shirt that was cut deep in the sides, revealing his muscular torso, giant arms, and abs. He was wearing knee-length shorts that revealed his strong legs, along with his Air Jordans. Carioca wear till the end. When he hugged me just now I got a whiff of his scent. It was all man. He was sweaty from his ordeal of running back and forth between terminals, and it made him smell even more manly. And his face, handsome, friendly, with a look of joy and relief, was great to see. He towered over me by a good 10 inches. The overall visuals and scent all were working for me at that moment. It got me hard! I could not wait to spend more intimate time with him.
Right there, em vivo, I realized that even 500 reals was really too little to spend for this kind of quality.
And he stood out for sure. People were staring at him. A big strapping handsome young man just barreled through the terminal to be by my side. In revealing Carioca wear, amongst the more buttoned-down Paulistanos. It was probably a strange sight. I didn’t care. It was Gabriel’s time with me now. Marcos was in the rear view mirror.
Next, the flight, Porto Alegre, and Sauna Mezzaninu.

like now?

I appreciate your perspective and thus why your post was not removed or edited and why you were not warned or banned.  I believe in free speech and rarely get involved when people have issues with posts. 
However, let me help you edit your first post to be more positive and not rude (as I and OTHERS who wrote to me) believed it was.
Rude You:  From what I could make up from the overly long (extremely detailed) and somewhat confusing encounter...you had a good time...Happy to hear (read) that
Your writing/typing sounds like somebody else who also writes long,  hard to follow encounters with boys in Brazil...
FYI...Most of the guys don´t steal especially if they know they have the opportunity to make more money with you and also if they know they may run into you again...
Glad that you were able to entertain so many guys on here..
Not Rude You: From what I could make up from the extremely detailed and somewhat confusing encounter...you had a good time...Happy to hear (read) that
Your writing/typing sounds like somebody else that use to post on this site.
FYI...Most of the guys don´t steal especially if they know they have the opportunity to make more money with you and also if they know they may run into you again...
Glad that you were able to entertain so many guys on here..
Oz here again: So, see, just a few words can make a big difference.  You thought the OP's post was not to your liking.  You said that in a rude way.  I thought your post was not to my liking and I said that in a rude way.  I guess I was trying to treat you like you had treated the OP and hoping that you would see how you could be just a bit kinder in THIS instance to help new posters feel more welcome as opposed to alienating them (much like another poster here from years gone by).
Also, notice that your pissing on this thread did not cause me to piss on your other thread.  I view things very separate.  I think many would say that is the wrong approach but I'm old and my ways are kind of set in stone at this point in time.  I can truly count on one hand the number of people banned from this site (other than one poster who created 10 or more names and we banned them all).
You are appreciated here.  But, rude comments to others are not appreciated or loved.
 

1. If you don't like the detail, don't fucking read it.
2. If you have nothing positive to say, fuck off and don't post on that thread.
3. I have met him, and he is not someone who has posted here before. Conspiracy theorist confound me.

Great posts numazu! I loved all of it! Only thing missing was this guy's number, I want him for my next trip! Especially if he looks like Vidigal's  Justin Bieber whose real name escapes me. If he doesn't mind, send me his digits. 
It's a shame how some people on this forum go negative at first chance, but really, thank you for the great storytelling. 
 

First a caveat, I am biased in Brazil's favor! I have been going there 4 or 5 times a year since 2001 and will keep visiting until...
I bought a 2nd home in Mexico last year after visiting Florida Rob 3 times in 2016(he is one of my oldest friends having met in Rio in 2003) I wanted a place that was closer to SoCal then Brazil, which is a 13-1/2 hr flight vs a 4-1/2 hr flt. to Mexico!  He knows my requirements better then I do! 
First Story, I visited him the first time in Fall 2016 and after I landed I got to his house 15 minutes later, and we immediately went to the bar owned by friend of his(and now one of my good friends and one of the nicest guys I know) on the way to the bar we walked thru the Main Square in front of the Cathedral and we start talking to a guy sitting on the park bench(there were a lot of them occupied by young guys) within 5 minutes he was walking to the bar with us and ended up sleeping with me that night until noon the next day!  I immediately knew this was my kind of city!
My type of guy encompasses a pretty broad range depending on my mood, but probably 75% of the time it skews to natural toned swimmers build with a leaning to worked out semi musculature...but if he's got a good face then short or tall, thin to muscular I have done them all.
While I find that most guys no matter what ethnic type or what nationality have usually average size dicks, Brazil leans towards more larger then average and Mexico leans to smaller then average, although I have found a number of 7.5 - 8" there.  but personally since I am a top average size dicks are fine as I find them easier to suck, where huge dicks are fun to look at and hold for a minute or two, but I can't do much with them.   If you are more inclined to bottoming there are enough guys in Mexico to keep you happy just not as many as Brazil....IMHO!
Looks!   this is so dependent on individualism!  what I find sexy my friends go Ehh! and vice versa.  there are a lot of sexy Mexicans,  so I would call that a draw, maybe 55/45 Brazil's favor!  If you like Latin looking guys you will find them in Mexico, there are many Latins from other countries living in Mexico now due to problems in their own countries, Venezuela, Cuba, Honduras, etc,    the first party I threw in Mexico my realtor brought over 3 guys, one from Cuba one from Venz. and one from Mexico City and I wanted all 3!  the Mexican guy was the tallest, whitest and hottest so there are all types in Mexico.
I do a lot of 3/4/5 ways in Brazil and there doesn't seem to be any hesitation on Mexican guys part to do the same so another Draw between the 2 countries.
Body types!  You will definitely not see the number of gym/muscled/steroid bodies in Mexico that you see in Rio or SP,  more like Porto Alegre of Belo Horzonte type bodies in Mexico. thin with 6 pac from working construction all day is the most common type here.
con't--

Tired of the pointless nasty comments.  Suspended for one month.  Feel free to return then or feel free to not. 

Given your posts, will you allow me to doubt that?

That hasn't happened yet, and I hope it won't. Last time at Mezzaninu, as tomcal and his gang headed to the upstairs, it made be feel wanting enough that I asked a guy standing at the bar if he was activo. I had seem him all night, muscular guy in  a Speedo, handsome, blond, and for some reason not snapped up yet. Since I was attracted to him and wanting sex, when he said "sim!" I asked how much. 100. Okay, let's go!
This guy turned out to be one of the best encounters I have had in Brazil. He just couldn't get enough pleasing me. We finished, he had come as had I, and we showered. As we were getting dressed, it didn't take long for both of us to realize that we weren't done, so we undressed and hit the bed for more. I did pay him double because we had sex twice, but mostly because he was so good and eager at pleasing me. He had not asked for double pay.

Hey, @deketel This is not twitter, you can put all your thoughts into a single post, there is no character limit. 

I just spoke to the owner of the sauna and he said it would open next Monday, 3/12   He took me on a video tour of the place a hour ago.  Most of the work being done is cosmetic, painting and changing things around..  there are two bar areas, one were the shows will be and one which looks very nice where there will be music playing in the background but quiet enough that you can talk and negotiate without having to repeat! as is often the case in Pointe!  They are smaller bar areas then are in the other suanas, I would estimate holding 40+ people in one and 25+ in the other.  the look of the facility is very nice I think because the straight saunas have to have better 'ambiance'
he did say that the rooms seem smaller then they are due too the fact this is in a apartment building so the ceiling don't have the height of the other suanas,  I am thinking 6'8"  but overall he is very happy with this site over the other 2 he was looking at.
I won't see it in person until 4/13  so hoping others will have reports on here.

My advice is there is never a good reason to arrive later! :-). I mean are there naked guys running around your hotel room? Because if there isn’t then you should be at the sauna where there will be!  Getting there early or first means you get first pick! Getting there later means as you are signing in at the front desk someone is taking the guy you think is really hot up to room while you are getting your key for the locker!  I have seen this happen a 100 times and listened to the guy complain the rest of the evening!  The sauna at 4:30 is still more interesting then your hotel room with you alone in it!

During my fun in the saunas i had the opportunity to speak with some garotos and some local customers (i can speak a kind of average portuguese and i tend to be confused as a local too).
Sometime i read posts about people overpaying garotos...
I don't want to talk about the problems that people may have with their ego, but please...DO NOT OVERPAY GAROTOS, especially in saunas. This is not only to preserve the business which depends on the locals and their spending capacity (quite low because of the crysis), but also for your own personal safety.
1) Garotos are in saunas to work, following saunas rules and standards. If you overpay them, you will not get a better service. If you lowball them you will get a bad service. Pay the standard going rate, or make a deal but do not try to get a rate lower than R$100
2) Garotos see you as living Mastercards. Overpay them and the only thing you'll get is FAKE INTEREST. A guy will stay with you for money, because it's working...a guy will stay with you for free, because he really likes you. You are the ATM, they are your toys. Period.
3) Acting like a gringo in a sauna and overpaying garotos will just make you look ridiculous, and trust me...garotos talk about customers. It's quite funny to see tourists who can't speak a work of portuguese, smiling when garotos at the table are making jokes about him in portuguese. You'll also get some weird looks from locals if you act stupid. Remember that respect in Brazil is extremely important. They're very welcoming but keep your egos for yourself.
4) Outside saunas, if you wanna hang out with a GP from Grindr....do not give them the idea that you have money to waste (the GP will make this link in his mind: Overpay->TONS OF MONEY). You'll increase the risk of getting mugged or worse. Remember that outside saunas, you have to expect everything.

I've seen both the guy in the middle and the one on the right at Club 117, so between Tom and myself, we can vouch that all three have worked the saunas.  The one on the right I keep in touch with through Facebook, but haven't seen him since 2014 or 2015, which is when he was last at 117, although that itself was after a hiatus of several years.  He's trying to get me to visit Rio in June, which he says is during his birthday.  Assuming that's true, I take that to mean, "please spend a lot on me because it's my birthday!"

Here's the pic i meant to put in the reply to Docbr!