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Thanks Payless. ...Speaking of money, do you know how much a personal training session costs at California Wow? Damn, it is almost as much as many clubs in the USA.

Yes I do as it happens GT. California WOW will ask for around 1,500 part per session. However everything is negotiable. You can now get life membership for about 8,500 Baht with an additional 3,000 Baht being payable after 3 years. 100 hours training can be got for around 350 Baht per hour. Be prepared , however, for 100 hours of hard sell to buy protein and other elixirs.

Tony's life membership is 4,999 I think and possibly negotiable. The trainers fee is 500 baht per hour but u can negotiate with a trainer and sign up with him for 20 hours and he will train you for 30. He will be happy as he has to get people to sign up or lose his job.

Yes, payless is a good description of me but I do not exploit Thais I work the system with them.

I still think GT you are a braggart.

Stef - Do I feel an ounce of jealousy ?

No Stef I am neither envious or jealous. I am still young compared to most people here and am in a well paid job. I am also in a very stable relationship. You can call me stupid as we are both monogamous (i think) lol

I guess my your screenname I should have guessed that payless would offer advice on paying less. JK

 

I don't pay him any more or less than anyone else that takes good care of me.

 

I wish I was wealthy and could live up to some interesting details on how I waste my money but have been told that giving financial details on here is a bad idea. So now, I guess sex details is a bad idea too? So, what do I have permission to post about?

You underwrite the board so up to you.

He makes me happy and I don't want to offend him to tell him to lay off a bit. I thought that usually after the first week he would slow down but it has now been over a month and not only does he not slow down, he just keeps coming up with more cleaver ideas to keep me entertained and happy. That is great for me but only needed in small doses. How do I get him to slow down without driving him away into the arms of someone who can handle him?

Pay him less.

Do we really need to hear about your sex life? Just stick to posts about how much you spend on your boys etc. So much more interesting to read about how the wealthy live rather than their sordid sex lives.

Deed poll? That is a term unfamiliar to me. What does it mean?

A Deed Poll is a legal document - not a certificate. It is a form of legal contract but it differs from legal contracts between two or more parties in that it only concerns one person (and it is only signed by that person). A Deed Poll therefore binds the person who signs it to a particular course of action as detailed on the Deed Poll document.

Although Deed Polls are used for various purposes relating to an individual legally committing themselves to doing something, they have one generally accepted meaning, that is, a change of name. However, the correct legal name for a deed that has been drawn up to change someone's name is a Deed of Change of Name. http://www.ukdps.co.uk/WhatIsADeedPoll.html

It was on the Thaivisa forum (Pattaya Forum) indeed:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Where-s-Justice-t190127.html

 

BUT there was just a rumour.

IF it's true that the 4 have been blackisted and deported, it proves only that the 4 cases were set-ups by the BIB and therefore possibily illegal, because they used underaged boys as baits.

It does not prove any such thing. Even if it were true then unless they were child predators they would not have been caught hook line and sinker as they would not have gone for the bait in the first place.

From http://www.dailyxpress.net/2008/05/20/crime/crime_2299.php

Child molesters held in Pattaya

 

Daily Xpress

Published on May 20, 2008

 

Four foreigners have been arrested in Pattaya for sexually molesting boys.

 

Canadian national Christopher Dee, 43, American Michael Paul Willy, 30, Briton Michael Terence Burns, 65, and Japanese Noboru Fukuda, 73, were all arrested on warrants issued by Pattaya Court for sexually molesting minors, said Central Investigation Bureau deputy commander Maj-General Panya Mamen.

Unfortunately it is not too difficult to get round a blacklisting and I am aware of one guy who has returned after blacklisting. He changed his name by deed poll and received a new passport and is now living back in Pattaya. He was blacklisted for making porn movies and selling them on the net.

Assuming Payless is confusing News Cafe with Manhattans, and his comments were meant to be directed at Manhattans, then I agree with him. To me, Manhattans is now very expensive and not nearly as good as it was when Tom was the manager. I think they made a horrendous mistake by letting him leave.

The manager was Jens, and was not a partner nor did he have a financial interest apart from his salary. He made his exit at almost the same time as the staff changes at Manhattan. I think similarly 2 staff who would have featured on any gaydar left at the same time.

For those who frequent Gay-Romeo Jens is often on there and is blonde and German in origin. He is about 28 years old. Now do you remember him?

I have been here before searching the bars but all I could find was moneyboys.

 

Now maybe Pattaya is not the right city but I enjoy the nightlife.

 

I am ready for a long relationship .

 

Im 42 and still goodlookin I think , maybe young thais only after farangs money?

 

If anyone can suggest a place in Pattaya where its easy to find new friends without thinking about moneyboys I would appreciate it.

 

Sorry about my poor english.

There are many Thai guys around your age who are not money boys (prostitutes). I don't understand why you think they are. Of course if you are a middle-aged man looking for guys a generation younger than you then why should you not pay. After all they are looking for a sugar daddy and you are old enough to be their daddy.

In Pattaya as suggested try Romeo, or fitness centres and eye up a few of the older security guards or even older motor bike taxi drivers.

I had a nice meal at the News Cafe last night.

Used to be a restaurant near the top of my list until the owners decided it was attracting to many gays. Hence they sacked the gay manager and 2 of the gay waiters. It does not feature on my list now. I think the prices have risen and I have heard it mentioned that it is no longer particularly good value for money.

Perhaps not the end I guess.

But, I did notice walking up the Soi that there were a number of businesses for sale.

I will say, that the other bars I went to had very few customers. BUT, having just returned back from Phuket, there were even fewer customers in those bars. So, perhaps it is all relative.

It is called low season and happens every year around this time. Chiang Mai and Bangkok also experience a low season.

Every year the bar owners say this is the worst low season they have experienced. Maybe it is a year on year decline or maybe not. Some of the bars that are empty still look and offer the same as they did 5 or 10 years ago, even the boys and the music are the same.

A well run bar, with polite and well controlled boys, a clean, maintained and comfortable environment will always do well. A bar with no dubiety about the age of the boys and a bar that has set standards for the behaviour of the boys whether they are on the payroll or freelancers will attract the valued customer.

That is why Come-in and Oud's bar are popular. That is why Boyz Town Bars are generally popular. The sex show bars of Sunee rely on the most part on boys who are educated to a very low level and have low esteem. Boys who behave like sheep, thus Sunee sees gang fights from these barworkers. Many boys will be immature and even under-age. I don't know what type of cutomer they attract but not enough to sustain most of them over the long-term.

This case will indeed be interesting. This gentleman speaks fluent thai so has an edge over other farangs. Also this guy knows the ins and outs of the law very well as he has rewritten several law books. I do not know this guy very well but I do know he has over the years paid tution and has put many thru college that would not have normally gone on in their education. This arrest makes no sense to me as it is indeed a case of he said /she said. Sadly tho what ever the outcome he may well be deported as this seems to be what happens now. Lets hope itw just a matter of being caught up in a which hunt by mistake.

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luvthai, the kids are in Sunee because there is a demand. If the peds leave or get arrested and deported then there will be less demand and Thailand will be a better place. I think pattayamale is paranoid about cameras but I wish there was some truth in it and the police would use them as evidence.

Many of these hotel upgrade programs are great until it comes to high season. Amari, Marriott and Central to name 3 nearly always say they are full when you try to book using the cards discounts in busy periods. I have just attempted to book for January 2009 and told by all 3 that they are booked out unless I pay full price.

This has happened too regularly that I will not bother with these cards in future.

You can often haggle an upgrade in low season anyway.

Consider yourself lucky. He works at Look Bar and is useless in bed

I can't believe you are correct. He would be too old to work at Look Bar or maybe he is lying about his age.

Just as an aside, it amuses me a little when you see guys over 40 or 50 or whatever age trawling for young Thai guys and writing in their profile 'no money boys'. Are not many older guys here 'cos they can't form a relationship or afford sex in their own country?

I've often stated that I know and understand virtually nothing about economics.

 

A wise old friend of mine gave me a piece of advice many years ago: Don't worry until you have something to worry about.

 

I'm not going to worry about the exchange rate either improving or going to hell until it happens.

There have been no observations of Ostriches putting their heads in the sand. A common counterargument is that a species that displayed this behaviour would not survive very long.

"Cherry's Restaurant on 3rd. Road is in a bad location but very popular" ....payless

 

How is Cherry's at a bad location? It has ample street parking on Third Rd

 

Also Cherry's price structure is not nearly as high as the other restaurants mentioned.

That was my point, though not well stated. Cherry's is not in a great location except for those who drive cars. It is away from the tourist route, does not have a lot of passing trade but the price is right the food and the service are also good. Maybe Symphony got some or all of these attributes wrong. I can only guess as I never went there and it has failed.

I think if the restaurant is good, people will make the effort to get there. As I wrote earlier, where do people park their cars when visiting Boyz Town?

In other words, it may have been a good location a few years ago, but it has since become a poor location.

 

Of course, it's not just the gay crowd that goes out to eat. I don't know why the restaurant failed to attract enough of the heterosexual crowd to be profitable, but obviously it didn't.

I never ate at Symphony Restaurant but it has one of the better locations in Pattaya. A place with very high footfall, on the baht bus route and slap bang in the middle of tourist Pattaya, though parking is restricted. Then parking is also difficult in Pattayaland and boyz Town but many people go there. Cherry's Restaurant on 3rd. Road is in a bad location but very popular. The old Bruno's located in N Pattaya was in a bad location for gay venues but still gays went there.

Mata Hari has almost no people walking past and on some criteria is in a bad location but is popular.

I suspect the failure of Symphony is that the location has little to do with it. It is that either the food, service, price or ambience (no pun intended) were not good enough to make the effort to go there.

Location probably did contribute to its downfall but surely it is not a 'gays only restaurant'!

GB wrote

Another example is more recent. Just a short while ago I posted a message about a new gay massage called Stronger Boy. It's up near Big-C, North Pattaya

A gay massage place has existed on and off in this location and was called something like 'Zeemen' and previous to that 'Door'.

I don't think they were successful but the target market was Asian tourists. I did go once when it was Door and it was very seedy/grubby and overpriced for a place with grubs. The mamasang was called LG and I think he used to work in Studio Boys in Day Night many years ago. I suspect it will be him again at Stronger Boy.

Apart from your case Rainwalker , where U took the time to interact, can we be sure that all these farang throwing water are drunk? I am pretty sure as I drive past on my motorcy. I see some that are sober. Depends how drunk i am i guess.

Where in Thailand is Burma? Can anybody give info about vacationing in Haiiti please?

The following appears in THE NATION:

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Pattaya Prices Take Off

sure!

And why would you not heed your own advice?

Duh, dapitt, I think I already explained that I was reacting to hyperbole.

Does your hat have a big 'D' on it?

Incidentally, when were you last in there?

since you asked - 2 years and 6 months ago. I was just reacting to your pure hyperbole. and I have not been to Birdcage either.

Why don't you just report as you find rather than compare to another bar in a negative way.

A friend of mine and I attended the St Patricks Day party at Throb/Splash last night, I will be back. On this showing they certainly have nothing to fear from the Birdcage's show.

Great I will go there next St Patrick's day. Glad to hear they can put a good show on once a year as they fail to do so on for the rest of the year.

It cost me $450.00 to ship all of them back to Michigan

P.S. When you pay for shipping, you end up paying for an entire container and it's the same cost whether you have the container full or less than full.

Your goods went as a part load of a container. You did not pay for a full container, the price would have been considerably more even way back when. Currently a 20' container to the USA port to port would be about 5000 US.

It's pretty sad that the attackers used the lame excuse that they were verbally taunted as an excuse to nearly kill the alleged taunter.

They are the language mafia!

Gay thailand "I have no doubt in my mind that there is a mafia presence in Sunee. None at all. Having spoken to too many guys over the years and several of them who said the mafia was after then and they ended up dead, it is not coincidental. I don't think they target foreigners but I do think they control a lot of what happens with the Thai's and esp those that gamble, do drugs or borrow money."

I think these are not Mafia just money lenders who lend small amounts of money at 20% interest per month and inevitably the boys cannot pay either the interest or the capital back and the small loan becomes a big loan. Generally moneylenders are not organised gang or Mafia types but individuals. Money lending is a major industry in Thailand and many teachers and factory workers et al use their services to buy the big ticket items or to pay off other creditors and to meet the unexpected medical bills.

Some boys with sugar-daddy farangs become money lenders and that is typically the money lender type in Sunee Plaza.

There is a definate Mafia presence in pattaya and through out thailand but I think the recent raids are aimed more at drugs and harrassing the bar owners and keeping the bribes comming in.

What are you talking about? The only so called Mafia in Pattaya associated with the gay scene is the Police in their various forms.

There is no other Mafia. If you think there is tell us what this Mafia does and how it does it?

I have no knowledge of Bangkok apart from it being a city near the airport.

You are probably right in that the police are hassling just to get money. After all if the fines are legit the policeman can legally pocket 60% as his lawful share. If not legit they of course keep 100%.

Please tell us about this Mafia here in Pattaya and through out Thailand. Do they speak Thai with Sicilian accents?

Missing thread, did someone get the the needle?

I note that the thread congratulating Gaybutton on his magnificent number of posts has disappeared.

I just wondered if it has been moved or deleted. Where to and why?