Rogie

There seems to be a difference of opinion here. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_lemon_juice_and_vinegar http://www.livestrong.com/article/462039-citric-acid-vs-vinegar/

Thanks. I got confused and thought you meant business travellers flying business having to pay a higher fare, but you meant business travellers who were flying economy.

I agree, if it's just the flight and the special fare deal is being advertised by the airline itself. Understandably travel companies or organisations that cater for a package, eg. flight + hotel + hire car may stipulate an advertised 'special deal' is for two flying/sharing, mainly because accommodation is often skewed in favour of couples. Don't quite follow your reasoining there FH. Why would a full sevice carrier not play fair with the single flyer? Surely he is the last person they want to alienate?

Suggestion to mod. As we have departed from the original subject of this thread would it be possible to move all posts from #41 onwards into a new topic, called something like Is Astrology all babble and bunkum? or something similar. Thanks.

I wonder if anybody's conducted any kind of rigorous investigation into these phenomena? For example take a group of people - a mix of sexes, ages, ethnicity, lifestyles etc - collect a thorough life history from them, including their most private thoughts, then randomly allocate each of them an astrologer. Astrologer gives his/her 'reading' or whatever the right word is, and the results are examined by a panel of neutral observers. The people who've met an astrologer would also be invited to comment on the precision or otherwise of their reading.

Cartoons in French weekly fuel Mohammad furore http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/uk-protests-france-idUKBRE88I0BS20120919 France has taken a hard line against followers of Islam within its own country, for example banning the wearing of haeadscarves in public. It doesn't surprise me something like this has happened, I haven't seen this cartoon and I'm not saying what Charlie Hebdo did was right, but my feeling is that boundaries willl continue to be tested in several western countries, with the so-called satirical press in the vanguard. Hot-headed reactions from around the Islamic world, in particular from the Iranians to reimpose the 'fatwa' on Salman Rushdie do not help. However, it would be far better if the debate had a little more intellectual basis, coming from heavyweight politicians and religious leaders rather than a few editors of satirical rags resorting to cheap shots via a few pathetic cartoons. I know Obama has spoken to some foreign leaders and those leaders need to cool things down before 'constructive dialogue' is to have a chance of making any progress. Followers of the Prophet are going to have to be a little more thick-skinned but at the same time all those feisty people with an anti-Islamic agenda need to acknowledge this:

I reckon so. In any of the numbers taken individually there is likely to be something that applies to you, as they cover a lot of bases. However, if all three of the character, heart and social scores seem to you to be accurate then the explanation isn't immediately obvious. Will you be making an appointment with an astrolger FH? Your use of the possessive adjective 'my' in an earlier post implies you are no stranger to astrology. Just curious, you don't have to respond to my nosy-ness! Surely certain traits are going to be a lot more popular than others, so logically that would create a lot of similar brush strokes and hence names. I wonder what 'Mao' means for example. I suspect there are many baby Mao's in China named after the Great Leader Mao Tse Tung, but that would have nothing to do with brush strokes at all, just naming by association. Presumably by looking at a Chinese person's name and comparing it to his achievements etc one can determine whether this idea of brush strokes equalling a person's character is a load of baloney or not.

Hey, that's new isn't it? If you put your cursor over a member's screen name (top left hand corner of each post) you will see either a red rectangular box or a green one. In z909's case it is red and minus 1. That seems a bit unfair, what has he done to warrant that, expecially as some posters are in double digits in the green box? I have a modest 'score' of 6 but at least whatever it is is green! I have no idea what all this means.

From your comment, do I take it you used the Agrippan method FH? For real, or did you use your screen name?

I don't know the answer to your question FH. My hunch would be whatever name you are more commonly prefer to be known, so if for example your Christian or forename is James but you like to be called Jim, I would use that, plus your surname. The worked example they give on the website uses both fore and surname. I don't take this kind of thing seriously so just entered my screen name for a laugh. As 'Rogie' I am: Character Number: 9 Heart Number : 2 Social Number: 7 Character Number. This number indicates the general personality type of the individual. '9' Represents completion and achievement to the fullest degree (as it is the complete number, three, expressed three times). Nines dedicate themselves to service, often as teachers, scientists, and humanitarians. Strongly determined, they work tirelessly and are an inspiration to others. However, they can also be arrogant and conceited when things don't go their way. Heart Number. This number represents the individual's inner life and can indicate desires and fears hidden from others. '2' represents interaction, two-way communication, cooperation, and balance. Twos are imaginative, creative, and sweet natured. Peace, harmony, commitment, loyalty, and fairness are characteristic. But two also introduces the idea of conflict, opposing forces, and the contrasting sides of things: night and day, good and evil. Twos can be withdrawn, moody, self-conscious and indecisive. Social Number. This number represents the outer personality, the face an individual shows to the outside world. '7': Perceptive, understanding, and bright, sevens enjoy hard work and challenges. They are often serious, scholarly, and interested in all things mysterious. Originality and imagination are more important than money and material possessions. Sevens can also be pessimistic, sarcastic, and insecure.

Here is website for above post, it got messed up before and wouldn't link. http://www.sorcererscompanion.net/arithmancy.html

How it Works The first step in analyzing a name (or word) by arithmancy is to convert it to a set of numbers. Each letter of the alphabet is assigned a numerical value between 1 and 9, according to the following chart: The letters A, J, and S have the value of 1. B, K, and T have the value of 2, and so forth. If the total is more than 9-which it usually is-it must be "reduced" to a single digit by adding the component numbers together, more than once, if necessary. Thus, 58 reduces to 13 (5 + 8 = 13), which reduces to 4 (1 + 3 = 4). The final result (in this example, 4) is known as the Character Number. This number indicates the general personality type of the individual. The next number calculated is the Heart Number. This number represents the individual's inner life and can indicate desires and fears hidden from others. The Heart Number is the reduced total of all the vowels in the name. This final number calculated is the Social Number. This number represents the outer personality, the face an individual shows to the outside world. The Social Number is the reduced total of all the consonants in the name. To find out your Character Number, Heart Number, and Social Number, type in your name in the box below. Then refer to the chart of traditional arithmancy interpretations to see what your numbers mean. If you want to enter your screen name in the box . . . go to website See post 44 below R-O-G-I-E Character Number: 9 Heart Number : 2 Social Number: 7 What the Numbers Mean 1 This is the number of the individual, the solitary unit. Ones are independent, focused, and determined. They set a goal and stick to it. They are leaders and inventors. Ones find it difficult to work with others and don't like to take orders. They can be self-centered, egotistical, and domineering. They are often loners. Two represents interaction, two-way communication, cooperation, and balance. Twos are imaginative, creative, and sweet natured. Peace, harmony, commitment, loyalty, and fairness are characteristic. But two also introduces the idea of conflict, opposing forces, and the contrasting sides of things: night and day, good and evil. Twos can be withdrawn, moody, self-conscious and indecisive. 3 Three represents the idea of completeness or wholeness, as in the threesomes past-present-future and mind-body-spirit. Three indicates talent, energy, an artistic nature, humor, and social ease. Threes are often lucky, easygoing, and highly successful, but they can also be unfocused, easily offended, and superficial. 4 Like a table that rests solidly on four legs, four indicates stability and firmness. Fours enjoy hard work. They are practical, reliable and down to earth; they prefer logic and reason to flights of fancy. They are good at organization and getting things done. Like the cycle of the four seasons, they are also predictable. They can be stubborn, suspicious, overly practical and prone to angry outbursts. The conflicts possible in "two" are doubled in four. 5 Five is the number of instability and imbalance, indicating change and uncertainty. Fives are drawn to many things at once but commit to none. They are adventurous, energetic and willing to take risks. They enjoy travel and meeting new people but may not stay in one place very long. Fives can be conceited, irresponsible, quick-tempered and impatient. 6 Six represents harmony, friendship, and family life. Sixes are loyal, reliable, and loving. They adapt easily. They do well in teaching and the arts, but are often unsuccessful in business. They are sometimes prone to gossip and complacency. 7 Perceptive, understanding, and bright, sevens enjoy hard work and challenges. They are often serious, scholarly, and interested in all things mysterious. Originality and imagination are more important than money and material possessions. Sevens can also be pessimistic, sarcastic, and insecure. 8 Eight indicates the possibility of great success in business, finance, and politics. Eights are practical, ambitious, committed, and hard working. They can also be jealous, greedy, domineering, and power-hungry. Eight is said to be the most unpredictable of numbers and can indicate the pinnacle of success or the depths of failure; the potential to go either way is present from the beginning. 9 Represents completion and achievement to the fullest degree (as it is the complete number, three, expressed three times). Nines dedicate themselves to service, often as teachers, scientists, and humanitarians. Strongly determined, they work tirelessly and are an inspiration to others. However, they can also be arrogant and conceited when things don't go their way.

Arithmatic and arithitemic? pah! Morris minor came across this much more interesting word Arithmancy The Agrippan method In this method, the letters of a recent version of the Latin alphabet (with "U" and "V" considered to be separate letters, and "I" and "J" also considered distinct, which was not common until the 18th century), are assigned numerical values 1-9 as follows: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z Based on these values, the value for a person's name is calculated. If the result is greater than 9, the values of the digits in the number are added up until it is reduced to a single-digit number. This is a system used to predict the strengths and weaknesses in a person, by using the heart number, the social/life number, and the character/personality number. The heart number is determined by adding together only the vowels in a person's name. The social number is calculated by using only consonants. The character number is determined when both vowels and consonants are used. A similar approach is to use the numbers from a person's birthday to derive their character number. Each of these numbers is considered to have a suitable predictive meaning. Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa first applied the concept to the current Latin alphabet in the 16th century and it has been widely used. It is often called Pythagorean, but is not connected to Pythagoras (courtesy of wikipedia)

In case anybody is wondering why I am repeating what has already been posted, whilst I was typing the above Michael started a new topic specifically to address the ignore issue. Maybe I can raise another issue: why, when Michael has been on line in the past few minutes, doesn't his name appear on the list of users within the past 60 minutes? Is there an option to go on line anonymously? If so I think that's poor form, but that's just my opinion. Just as a matter of interest how's that done? Here's the timeline taken just now showing 1 member (me) 131 guests (who cannot post) and zero anonymous users, so how does Michael accomplish it? 132 users are online (in the past 60 minutes) 1 members, 131 guests, 0 anonymous users

My control panel -> settings -> profile settings -> ignore preferences

Which is easier I wonder - to stop the paparazzi in the first place, or to muzzle the media? The current situation is clearly a French farce. http://www.legalweek.com/legal-week/blog-post/2205817/french-privacy-law-media-cynicism-and-the-likely-penalties-for-publishing-the-kate-middleton-pics But, doing as Bob suggests (short of draconian punishment such as my flippant comment in post #3), is is likely to be just as ineffective. A papparazzi could take photos, and unless he is caught red-handed, disappear into the shady underworld these people inhabit. Any approaches to the media to see if they will bite would be done via equally shady third parties. That's terrible when freedom of 'expression' is denied one of us!

I am often curious about what sort of person buys these magazines and newpapers - the ones that peddle smut and scandal. I feel like a bit like a Martian myself sometimes, coming from a place where everybody reads broadsheet newspapers, and landing in what seems strange territory where everyone else is ogling page 3 in the 'Red Top' tabloids, before flicking idly through until page 6 where they can discover exactly what the organist did to the choirboy in the sacristy or why the verger ran off with the parson's wife. Similarly, who are these people who are prepared to fork out for a glossy magazine in order to gaze at a topless young lady snapped by a slimeball (good one Bob)? The audience for this kind of thing remind me of the baying mobs in the colliseum, floundering in decadence.So we have an unholy alliance between: desperate and unprincipalled Paparazzi* avaricious and unprincipalled media* a public eager to lap up a diet of tittle-tattle* As already mentioned, in order for #1 and 2 to whither, #3 must change their mind-set. Not very likely is it? Human nature hasn't changed much, if at all, since watching young men hack each other to pieces or being 'eaten' by lions was provided as a spectacle for their enjoyment. NB. There is a problem with the software. I itemised the points marked * as items 1,2 and 3. The numbers do not appear in the final post, making my reference to them look a bit daft.

Without looking it up I can't be absolutely certain, but my understanding is the British royal family allow, and probably encourage, photographers to snap them when involved in official functions at home (don't suppose they have much say in the matter when they're abroad), or at certain times when relaxing either on holiday or watching a game of polo or whatever, in order to show they are 'normal' people, and by happily allowing this 'official' access they hope photographers will leave them alone at other times. So it's a sort of self-regulation. It seems a pretty sensible idea but only works if all photographers abide by these 'rules'. When a respectable photographer sees a rogue one coining it owing to some sneaky snaps he took, how's he going to feel? It would be interesting to interview a few photographers to find out their views on their aberrant colleagues, and what they think should be done to rein them in - just calling them paparazzi as if they were Martians won't wash. How about knee-capping? (A rather nasty way of taking it out on those of a similar kind to yourself - popular amongst certain sectarian sects in Northern Ireland during the Troubles).

Cars and motorcycles are certainly better theses days, I mean the build quality, safety features, acceleration, braking, etc, but as for the rest I think driving is a worse experience. Watching a programme on British TV the other night about China, the presenter asked about electric cars, which are available now in China and look very smart, but they only sold 5000 of them last year which was only 1% of the total cars sold in China. I think he also said at present only 10% of Chinese people own a motor car, but this is expected to rise. The projected number of cars on the road in the future is quite frightening . . . hence the push - so far falling on deaf ears as far as the consumer is concerned - for 'green' motoring. When a presenter asked a class of young schoolchildren what kind of car they'd like to own, the replies were straight out of a fairy tale - they all wanted flash cars, the faster and flashier the better. A similar question directed at their parents 25 years ago would no doubt have caused a few bemused giggles at the mere thought of ever owning a tractor, let alone a motor car.

Taken from the Mill quote above: Christianity has benefitted IMO from being intermittently, and more recently consistently, attacked throughout its 2000 year history. It has also suffered of course - dubious sects, TV evangelists, intolerance, excessively zealous missionaries, infighting, extreme views . . . it's all there, but Christianity has weathered many a storm and will continue to thrive. The more extrovert churches and their leaders will carry on upsetting non-Christians, that's the nature of the beast, but the vast majority of Christians (and I am proud to include myself in this category) unobtrusively get on with their daily lives. What is not acceptable however, is when dual standards are perceived to operate. For example here we have the head of the BBC: http://www.christian...-says-bbc-boss/ And in general: http://fullcomment.n...-must-tolerate/ Human nature amazes me sometimes. Why can't we just get on with our lives, enjoying the company of our family and friends, respecting the opinions and beliefs of those who differ from us in any way. If anyone threatens to harm us, well you could turn the other cheek I suppose, but most of us would act to defend our families, our own rights and freedoms and our liberty, or as the French say: Liberty, equality, fraternity. But why would anyone want to attack somebody else or a group of people simply because they are different? Just as the antics of a few stupid people can easily be miscontrued by others, other nationalities, other religions, does not make all the people of that country or that religion 'guilty'. Before writing this post I checked out various internet sites under the heading 'Christianity mocked'. To say I have been really disappointed with some of the stuff I've come across would be an under-statement, it's almost unbelievabe some of the things people get up to. I'll leave it at that as I know some reading this have little time for Christianity. It's not my intention to upset anyone, I realise many atheists and humanists hold strong views so I would never attack anybody for that reason. Tolerance anybody? Tolerance comes easy to some but most of us have to work at it, Now, if only the world was just a bit more tolerant . . .

There's probably just as much snobbery amongst motorcyclists as their four-wheeled brethren. Those haughty looks I get when a Porsche Cayenne draws up next to my Morris Minor at traffic lights. But, do Cayenne drivers, or Range Rover drivers acknowledge each other when encountered in traffic in the same way drivers of older vehicles or classic VW campervans do? I doubt it. My father remembers driving a VW beetle in the days when they saluted each other. Driving in Ireland once, a young man by the roadside waved to me as I drove past. Not much sense of the other road user these days, I reckon the motorist gets into his bubble, turns on the music or lights a ciggie and just switches off. No interest in anyone other than himself. Back to snobbery, logic tells us those hefty guys in their leather bibs and beards are going to get old just as everyone else. Give up their beloved bike? Fat chance! So why not carry on enjoying the freedom of the open road but in a more sensible configuration. One of those big Harleys falls over, that's quite serious proposition for an old man to pick it up, could be almost backbreaking literally. I notice those Harleys are always parked with just the side stand (I assume the centre stand is too difficult to operate, not sure if they even have one) so they don't look too stable to me. An older biker could certainly do worse than seriously consider a three-wheeler.

Yes, you're right, I feel the same . . . As discussed here a few months ago, if you don't like 'em there's a solution. . . a neat little tool called Ad Block. I'm no techie but I use it and it's dead easy to set up. Now I no longer have to suppress my giggles at the sight of guys with bananas stuffed down their pants.

Just a thought: at those ludicrous (to me anyway) rates and bearing in mind hotels in London were criticised for increasing their prices to coincide with the Olympics, will Brazilian hotels do the same in 2014 for the soccer World Cup and in 2016 for the Olympics? I hate to think what it would cost for foreign tourists to support these sporting occasions; by the time they have added up airfare,hotels and ticket prices to events that's a very tidy sum indeed. I just hope anyone thinking of going does his homework and makes sure he really can afford it.It would be a great shame if Brazilian hospitality is neutered by greedy hotel chains. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17347107

I agree treat Trip Advisor with caution. (That's interesting that somebody in India will write your review for you). This below taken from their website - it would be difficult to fake these awards I would have thought.

Fascinating article. Here are a couple more quotes: Note the comparison of Nacireman society with Japanese (and Thai also?) in their way of perceiving the world. That's quite some statement. It certainly is easy for us to look down on others from our 'high places of safety'. In some cases perhaps that's justified. Cannabilism? Yes, I think most would find it difficult to accept cannabilism as providing 'power and guidance'. Ditto human sacrifice. But in the case of many other cultures, and certainly including the Nacirema, one can sense the link with the past. Sadly that link has been severed in many cases and is tenuous in others. The article quoted by TW was written over 50 years ago and much of the material mentioned was collected by anthropologists before the war. Even in out lifetimes whole ways of life have vanished - to be replaced by what? The onward march of 'civilisation'? Or even worse, explotiation. If the exploited of the world could give vent to their fate I suspect the 'smiley' crying icon would shed real tears.