Democrats Need BTE

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44 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

Donalds' win is historic.  If he wins the general he will be the first Black Republican Governor.  

There's an endless list of things I don't like about the Trump version of the Republican Party.   But the fact that they will elect Black Governors and Senators in red states is not on the list.

I take it as a victory of Democrats, in part.  The Republicans looked at us and figured out they can't be the (exclusively) White Party.  As much as I am a partisan whore, I think it's good for America and good for minorities that both parties are now at least trying to compete for their votes.  And electing them to Congress and now a Governor's seat.

That said, I think the Republicans have a very hard lesson coming in 2026.  Anger about inflation opened a door for Republicans to Hispanics and Blacks and Asians in 2024.  And a lot of nasty shit Team Trump has done since then  seems to be slamming it closed again.  We'll see.

Not sure if Republican voters see Byron as anything more than Trumps DEI token black ?      But then again, it is Florida, Trumps home, so they wont care.....

Jolly had a great turnout though and would do a great job governing, while Donalds will just be "an Uncle Tom" for Trump.....

[stevenkesslar]

10 hours ago, Suckrates said:

Not sure if Republican voters see Byron as anything more than Trumps DEI token black ? 

Fair enough.   (White) Republicans love to rail again DEI in general.  And any Black Democrat as too stupid to be anything other than a DEI candidate, in the eyes of some of them.  Including Harris.  No racism there whatsoever! 

So it's fair to attack Donalds  as the DEI exception to the We Really Do Like White Power rule.

I think the concession the majority of Republicans have made to Obama and racism is that, in their eyes, skin color no longer matters.  Which I think is largely true, as this race suggests.  But they don't want to hear about DEI or racism or intersectionality. Because - again - race no longer matters.  And to the degree that we can say we voted for this Black Senator or that Black Governor because they were the best candidate, they have a point.  Like I said, I think this is mostly good for America.

I feel sorry for Tim Scott.  Unlike Donalds, his rise had nothing to do with Trump.  In fact, he ran against Trump in 2024 and got nowhere.  He is, albeit secretly, a DEI guy who feels the government should help Blacks and other minorities and women build Main Street capitalism.  If he were POTUS and Elizabeth Warren chaired the Banking Committee, they could make deals.  But as far as I can tell, Trump shit on and tore apart everything Tim Scott stood for.  So it's not a case of small cock energy so much as Tim Scott is simply politically castrated.

And speaking of politically castrated worthless pieces of shit ...........................

What's interesting about last night is Trump LOST most of the candidate races he endorsed.  Two House seats in Florida, and one Guv race in Wyoming. 

And since Trump is a scumbag and rapist, he of course just had to endorse the Republican scumbag Cory Mills.  Kudos to Republicans for doing what Democrats did in Maine.  Empty the trash.  They don't even want to follow the lead of their small cock losing lying piece of shit POTUS anymore.

All of this is more handwriting on the wall that the raping lying So Small A Cock It Has No Energy POTUS who is a genocidal piece of shit has overstayed his corrupt welcome with more and more Americans.  Did I mention the monstrous piece of shit got us into a monumentally losing Trump Forever War in Iran because he is a stupid egomaniac?  

Piece of shit!  Piece of shit!  Piece of shit! Loser SDE piece of shit who made America lose again.

What was even more interesting is that the Democrats went in two different directions at once. 

The DSA did not get the Guv candidate they wanted in Wisconsin.  But they did  get her in a Florida Senate race.  Which likely means its an even bigger loss for Democrats.  Meanwhile, the one hope Democrats do have - in Florida - is merging with the left wing of the Republican Party and putting forth former Republicans like Jolly and Crist.  

I like David Jolly.  He speaks to a bygone era of bipartisan politics I miss.  In Florida and Texas that could be the path for Democrats to win.  By building the moderate brand of the Democratic Party in red states while others like AOC and Bernie and El-Sayed try to build a more progressive version of the party elsewhere.  There is nothing new about the idea that the Southern part of the Democratic Party is always more conservative.

And I have to raise a toast to Bob Graham, former Senator and Guv of Florida who I adored from a distance.  His daughter Gwen is now Jolly's running mate. 

In retrospect, it was a big mistake that she narrowly lost the Democratic primary in 2018 to Andrew Gillum.  It was exciting at the time.  And he would have been Florida's first Black progressive Guv.  But it turned out he was a mess.  And it set the stage for DeSantis and Republicans to rise.  Had Gwen Graham won the primary in 2018 it might have been different.  Or, maybe, Jolly and her are just an echo of the bipartisan past.  We'll know in November.

[stevenkesslar]

One other footnote.

Two new polls are out showing El Sayed in the lead. One by 3 points, one by 7.  A recent Fox poll, which had been the only one after the primary, had him down by 4.

No reason to put much faith in any of these polls.  But, still, it is a relief.  It suggests there was no sudden swing away from El-Sayed after all the ranting and raving about how he will make it harder for Democrats to win.  If anything, these two polls suggest the opposite:  his message about how it's the economy, stupid, maybe was getting through.

That said, there are a whole lots of polls now that suggest Democrats need BTE:  big tent energy.  We have four states with a moderate and a progressive Democrat running statewide.  And in every state the candidate who can be labeled as the more moderate one is doing better.

In Michigan Benson has an 8 point lead, says RCP in their poll average, compared to 0.7 % for El-Sayed.

In Minnesota Klobuchar has a 12 point lead, compared to a 5 point lead for Flanagan.

In Georgia Ossoff has a 7 point lead, compared to 2 points for Lance Bottoms.

In Florida Jolly is down by 5 points, compared to 10 points down for Nixon.

I'm not sure it's quite correct to say Lance Bottoms is the progressive.  But Ossoff definitely has worked hard to present himself as bipartisan when it comes to legislating and constituent services.  And electing a Black Governor is a progressive thing in Georgia.  Or anywhere.

This gives Democrats a big clue about 2028.  We have to be a big tent party.  As a liberal, it breaks my heart that having a moderate at the top of the ticket may make sense politically.  But these numbers suggest it does make sense politically.  

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4 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

One other footnote.

Two new polls are out showing El Sayed in the lead. One by 3 points, one by 7.  A recent Fox poll, which had been the only one after the primary, had him down by 4.

No reason to put much faith in any of these polls.  But, still, it is a relief.  It suggests there was no sudden swing away from El-Sayed after all the ranting and raving about how he will make it harder for Democrats to win.  If anything, these two polls suggest the opposite:  his message about how it's the economy, stupid, maybe was getting through.

That said, there are a whole lots of polls now that suggest Democrats need BTE:  big tent energy.  We have four states with a moderate and a progressive Democrat running statewide.  And in every state the candidate who can be labeled as the more moderate one is doing better.

In Michigan Benson has an 8 point lead, says RCP in their poll average, compared to 0.7 % for El-Sayed.

In Minnesota Klobuchar has a 12 point lead, compared to a 5 point lead for Flanagan.

In Georgia Ossoff has a 7 point lead, compared to 2 points for Lance Bottoms.

In Florida Jolly is down by 5 points, compared to 10 points down for Nixon.

I'm not sure it's quite correct to say Lance Bottoms is the progressive.  But Ossoff definitely has worked hard to present himself as bipartisan when it comes to legislating and constituent services.  And electing a Black Governor is a progressive thing in Georgia.  Or anywhere.

This gives Democrats a big clue about 2028.  We have to be a big tent party.  As a liberal, it breaks my heart that having a moderate at the top of the ticket may make sense politically.  But these numbers suggest it does make sense politically.  

 

Jolly's interviews are OVER-confident.   He continues to say that if the mids were today.....   HE would win ......

Florida is a tough nut to crack,  but its still hard for me to see Byron as the voters CHOICE.    There are a whole lotta old White Nationalists living there.....   and RACISM aint Dead !   

[Pete1111]

20 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

 

Jolly's interviews are OVER-confident.   He continues to say that if the mids were today.....   HE would win ......

Florida is a tough nut to crack,  but its still hard for me to see Byron as the voters CHOICE.    There are a whole lotta old White Nationalists living there.....   and RACISM aint Dead !   

...old, white racists delight in an Uncle Tom.  The likes of Clarence Thomas won't last forever. 

 

Byron Donalds is ready to carry on the mission.

 

[RockyRoadTravel]

30 minutes ago, Pete1111 said:

...old, white racists delight in an Uncle Tom.  The likes of Clarence Thomas won't last forever. 

 

Byron Donalds is ready to carry on the mission.

 

Pull the ladder up behind you, so no one else can follow you.  Clarence Thomas has been an historically terrible person on the Supreme Court. 

[Suckrates]

31 minutes ago, Pete1111 said:

...old, white racists delight in an Uncle Tom.  The likes of Clarence Thomas won't last forever. 

 

Byron Donalds is ready to carry on the mission.

 

Just hard for me to believe this traitor to Blacks would get any support from blacks, OR the old white racists who fear being "erased" by a growing black population ?     But again, it's Florida, and he'll ride Trumps shit stained diapers for as long as he can......

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2 minutes ago, RockyRoadTravel said:

Pull the ladder up behind you, so no one else can follow you.  Clarence Thomas has been an historically terrible person on the Supreme Court. 

He's a black man that HATES blacks and wishes he were WHITE,  and therefore functions thru life as if he WERE white, and his quid pro quos with powerful WHITE men have made him a very Rich man !   

Just shows that people will EAT other peoples shit if there is benefits in it for them.