vinapu

by people feeding excessively on Russian , aggressor in this case, propaganda. Time for diet perhaps

Welcome to the forum. You worry too much and read too much into what is said here. How one can pass by boy bar without being inclined to go in is beyond me , I thought only aspiring lesbians would pass such an opportunity. First, while some mamasans are pushy by far pushy ones are not majority and even those pushy are not going to wrestle or rape you. Tell them you are watching, you wait for friend who is supposed to join you or do what I do with stony face, tell them "I like girls ", nobody will believe you but they should get a message which is subtle ' fuck off" signal. When you will be there you may want to signalize it here on the forum , they may be members who will do community service and gladly accompany you on your virgin visit(s). I wish I'd be in such a position, sigh. at 4 or 5 in the evening bars are still closed with exception of Hot male Beer bar w visiting which is not a bad idea for people in your position as boys there are very friendly and THERE'S NO MAMASAN. bars are usually opening between 8-9 and rarely are in full swing before 9.30. Actually i think for shy types it's not such great idea to come early as you may be accosted more often for lack of other victims while at show time bar is usually full and mamasans are busy dispensing drinks etc. I found Thais pretty straightforward and those working in bars hear it all many times but good form would be to offer drink, be it bar boy , waiter or mamasan if you have hots for them . Most of staff will be on offer although waiters and mamasans most likely only after bar will close . While sitting with you just ask they if they go with you 'are you going with me?" , if they say yes ask them about what is important to you , top, bottom , kiss etc. Don't try to be too sophisticated because English is their 2nd or perhaps 4th language so your question should be straightforward. Kissing question is somewhat important as some boys do everything but won't kiss for some reason so you don't want to for force yourself on them. I ask kissing question after agreement to go is made so they know it's not condition for an off. If you have boy sitting with you and you decide not to off him for whatever reason make sure : 1/ not to keep him too long as he may lose other opportunities 2/ tip him for his time 100-200 depending of length of time. Make sure you let us know about you impressions after you finally arrive

Day 9 N sleeps in his shop. Because of that, 3 days a week he is cleaning it before opening and after closing which I consider very fair. That was reason he could come only at 1 but I did not mind, we still had good , largely sleepless night. Left at 6 to take care about the shop so I returned to warmed bed to get some sleep. At 9 marched to Foodland, heart bleeding becauseby 5 minutes I missed time when breakfast is whopping 10 baht cheaper, then to XOne to exchange money and to Silom market in soi 10 to buy charger as I left mine in hotel in Kuala Lumpur, one of senior moments I guess because I’m not exactly known for leaving my stuff behind. Silom market as market go is very modest affair but yet in my every hour of need , be it charger , coat hangers, baseball hat, undies, t-shirt , pen , day pack , you name it ,I go there and find what I need , usually for very little. I spotted one of Jupiter mamasans manning one of the stands. In hotel no water again but power was so I made a coffee and then took BTS to Madrid for lunch with Christian PFC. Always interesting chat over tasty pizza, we have our ritual and share whatever we ordered half / half with each other. We walked back , I was mindful that I have to meet P from Hot Male at 3 to check stamp collection so made sure I’m there , in still empty soi on time. No sight of him , nor even answer to my Lines so at 3.30 I left empty handed. Reader reported that he will be drinking coffee at Coffee Grinder at 5 if I want to join so I used that occasion to complain, his answer was very reasonable P obviously is not in a need of money. Good for P thought I. Just before 5 I got message from him “ sorry I slept in”. Too late obviously as I had other designs this afternoon. Reader and I exchanged news while tasting their coffee and first and foremost admiring their cheerful and handsome staff. I even get bonus when boys were readying to leave at they close at 6 one of them changed shirt to reveal torso worth 2750 baht short time in process. This trip I decided firmly to return to old butterflying days, did not work exactly as intended with few repats anyways but at least I tried and liked it. Today I scheduled last bar I did not visit yet- Dreamboys so around 9 went there. Several boys on the stage already , among them Fai, very good masseur I know from Arena so called him for drink, shortly his brother Dit arrived to wing me from other side. But I was in no mood to hire from there. What I saw was discouraging. Out of 3 rotation about 12 each so total 30-40 guys I’d remotely consider 3 and only # 11 looked truly attractive earning red not as I departed. A lot of veterans of soi Twilight which says something. Ggobkk who visited few day earlier had exactly the same impression but on another hand Jason 1975 who went there few days after me completely disagreed. So either I had bad luck or he had good one or there’s fundamental difference in taste. As I said somewhere else and tend to repeat constantly - go and check for yourself , my throwaway may be your treasure and other way around. Tipped both brothers 200 for their time and old times sake and decided to have another try at Moonlight I visited last week. With all bars covered time for 2nd round. I was hoping to see Y , who impressed me on my last night in Feb and yes , he was on the stage. No time was wasted to bring him over for a drink and before his was delivered , night’s fate was sealed. A, the hunk spotted me as well so I invited him for drink too , if only to tell him that I did not like last week when he abandoned me from another customer. This time he did not go anywhere until his drink was finished . So I used that to try to wrestle him a bit which we always do , he always wins but my ego is still boosted because I manage to resist for a bit. He made suggestion we repeat Feb feast with Y and him together but I said that for me it’s twice expense for half fun so he gave up trying. In models parade I noticed few new faces, Jack who appeared very nervous last week seems settled now but for now Mean seem to be my #1. I also noticed I’m warming up to Babe, perhaps because now he is not one to close parade as he always did , now he is one of many. I did not see Nut last time neither during parade today but at one point he showed up, came to say hallo, admitted casually he is late and way he was dressed made me suspect that he must be in good hands now. Very formal and elegant at the same time so I’m happy for him he found his girl or man, whoever. Another one not present was Nicky, neither last week nor today but time I was in love with him is long gone. I’m glad they are trying to refresh their models stable as old faces and bodies , while still attractive are becoming bit stale so new blood is needed. On another hand I must admit original set was of really outstanding quality, real hunky hunks while never crew is somewhat mixed which is not necessarily wrong as not everybody likes that type. At one point I start getting itchy so tipped A and marched with Y to hotel by the way of Unesco Heritage. Y turned endearingly modest when comes to food as Foodland was his idea and he chosen some ordinary dish like pad Thai. Not that modest when came to LT tip but absolutely and positively did his best to earn it. One of those few precious who feel immediately what and when customer wants. By far best night of this trip. I was so excited and happy that I almost pay dearly for all that fun but that’s the story for next installment .

about chicken with cashews I may agree, have doubts about papaya salad, never tried oysters due to allergy to sea food. My best aphrodisiac is clingy boy sitting beside me in the bar.

who ? my "stalker" in KL ? no idea, we did not get into details as I was not really interested in. His bit of hysterical comments after he saw me departing with my friend ensured me I made right decision, engaging drama queens never good idea.

grrrrr !

mostly because I had window seat and it was good visibility that day

Australian pound was replaced by dollar about 50-60 years ago

too much talk about food usually means sex drive is vanning, no?

I doubt, while I don't go for vacation to save money since staying at home does better job in this department I'm not big on freeloaders. While I understand buying drinks for all boys present , why to treat other patrons the same way ? But yes I will ring the bell next time when it will be situation I had one afternoon last trip , Aung behind the counter and me , only patron . Cheap fun

one of Jupiter guys I offed in January told me he comes only if he needs the money, I did not see him in my two visits in May recently

or reckless spenders

Day 8 As they say, time to say goodbye. Breakfast, again I was only farang looking guest there. Fast packing as most of my goodies are still in Baan Silom, monorel to KL Sentral and airport express from there. Air Asia did not gave me a chance to select a seat for free and system assigned me middle one but by grace of God other two seats in my row were nor assigned so I had 3 seats for myself , too bad it was only 2.hr15 mins flight. In Don Muang very fast , no immigration line whatsoever. Going to the train I heard my name all of the sudden. One of guys from former Bangkok Massage whose brother I offed at least 10 times was waiting for somebody and recognized me. Not in business any more , scuba dive instructor now. Another proof that world is small. In coupon restaurant on the way to station I treated myself with duck on the rice for 65 baht, my usual treat when in DMK and 1 hr later I returned to Baan Silom to learn that I was assigned the same room, not that I care as anyone would do. At 7 I was supposed to meet another member ggobkk who was gracious enough to find some time for meeting on day of his return home. It was about to rain so I decided to go to GBangkok bit earlier , great idea as it started raining at 7 on the dot. My friend arrived with big umbrella but soon rain stopped, After chat and dinner and more chat we decided to go to Screwboys, first visit for both of us after reopening. Mamasan recognized us immediately, they did not really opened yet but she ordered few guys to the stage, few were OK and # 26 got tips for good looks from both of us. She also remembered that my best boy ever, One was from there and showed me his pictures, serious man in mid thirties now , father of 3 but still I recall him vividly . Muscular hunk who knew very well what his clients want and delivered. But it was in 2015 and after that he disapeared from the scene for good. 100 baht for her to keep that memory fresh forever, then after a while ggobkk went to his hotel to get ready for his trip and I went to jeweler on Thaniya to exchange some money. Then to Hot male beer bar to have drinks with boys and asked P to be there tomorrow at 3 so we can assess my new stamp acquisition. Then climbed stairs to Freshboys to watch the show and tip the best looking guy as usual. By sheer coincidence he had number #26 as well . He would be my candidate for an off but over Line I already promised N, the masseur, that we sleep together tonight so went home so to speak empty handed. On my way I met on Silom his workmate who assured me that N will be there after he closes shop at 1 as today was his turn about which I was aware already.

I suspect it may be a case with certain boys in other bars and massage places as well

nothing wrong, name is used in industry so to speak but I don't like it. Sounds paternalistic to me. KFC Man sounds fun on another hand so I let them to have fun at my expense

you will like it

for breakfast I like that O'Delices , French bakery on the corner , across from Soda massage,

Probably everybody will steer you to Prime in soi 6 but I will be first. Cost of massage will be good amount for tip I think if no extras are involved.

of he is so well known should be easy to avoid, boys grapevine should send warning signals to newbies, no ?

National Palace, KL Tower, glass cage on top, some fearless soul, Central market, Merdeka square

Day 7 I waked up at 8.30 and right after breakfast I went to take hop-on , hop off bus. Virgin trip for me as I never used it anywhere. It has 17 or 18 stops , runs every 20 mins and covers all main attractions. I don’t remember cost but something tells me 60 normal , 30 senior. Whatever it is , good value for money. Mostly it stops only if there’s request but at Royal Palace ( I think is called National House there was 20 minutes stop for photos and toilet. I regret not having stop at birds park , apparently biggest of this kind in the world and it looked big although probably can take good part of day to visit so other places would be missed) It seemed most of tourist on my bus were locals and this being Malaysia comments were in good English. At stop nr 14 or 15 I decide to modify my plans as it was KL Tower, another high place. They have glass booths similar to ones at Mahanakhon but enclosed and time there is monitored and limited to few minutes. Those who remember old 1 ringgit note , Tower was featured on it. No senior discount so full 110 price but it was worth it if only to see Petronases from up high. Tower is on the hill so if taking public transit it may be n bit of uphill walk. Then I took the same bus to Bukit where I had lunch , of course chicken with cashew nuts , if only to compare with Bangkok. Then to Central market where I bought few trinkets for folks at home and from there I walked to nearby Merdeka (Freedom) square with interesting architecture and pole with giant Malaysian flag. As main squares go this was on human scale and I liked it. From my school years I recalled book called “Merdeka means freedom “ about Malaysian independence struggle and was glad that I was finally able to be there. It was afternoon and heat get to me so I decided to return to hotel as my friend had some entertainment planned for us for the evening. Because nature of this trip I constantly compare Thailand with Malaysia and must say in one filed Kuala Lumpur beat Bangkok not 10 but 20 times. Grindr. While in BKK I get few messages a day here my phone was pinging constantly , record I noted was 19 messages in 1 hour ! Unfortunately I did not utilize opportunity but it was close call as one guy accosting me actually stay in the same hotel. How I know? He actually told me he saw me in the lobby. Unfortunately he was not exactly my type and he killed his chances with calling me ‘daddy ‘ . I was called worse by better people but hate that. Call me old or ancient but ‘daddy ‘ or ‘papa ‘ is death sentence as far as engagement is concerned. We actually came eye to eye in the evening when my friend arrived and guy just emerged from hotel. Not sure he tried to stalk me but later he sent me a message saying how disappointed he is with my lack of interest. Then my friend and me went to some well conspired place providing massage services for man by man. One needs to call to get admission to the building , then wait for unit to open. Inside there were quite a few attractive guys so we made our pick and pay fee of 280 for 1.5 hr. of full service, whatever it is. Then we went to another locale in the same building where we could survey stamp collection or whatever was on the table. Place was clean, guy, Myanmarese, was willing and time kept to a minute. So I liked it , tipped guy 100 extra although I was told it was not necessary. 380 RM is roughly 3000 baht so is comparable to Bkk prices in Silom ghetto or likes like Jey Spa or Prince. Thrill was for free. My friend dropped me at hotel, my stalker was nowhere to be seen although there were few messages from him I mentioned earlier. I had moment thinking about calling him over but my gut feeling told me ‘no’, he was just too persistent, forget even whole ‘daddy ‘ issue. Floridarob claims I’m easy but I have some idiosyncrasies I observe and being too pushy or too persistent is one of them, specially when guy is of unknown quality. I even went downstairs to store nearby to buy package of loose leaf BOH tea, Malaysian brand from Cameron highlands which I found very good.

best way is to go and check yourself. One thing is for sure - you can't visit Pattaya of days past anymore so rather focus on what's there now. And there's plenty

I did not, I rather look at boys bulges or place where it is supposed to be

are those rates for a week or just 5 days?

you hit the nail , and it's why they show numbers only on 3rd walkabout and congregate near exit. It seems to work as everybody who trades on the market knows that best hours are first and last one