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showering in undies is very rare but known to science, may be he was just shy or new to farangs. Combined with no getting hard / very rare occurrence / my verdict would be he was straight so no bottom either. If you want top or bottom , ask for one but on another hand this would be hint that you are not interested in massage so boy may go to the business faster than you wish. From my experience best way to ensure you will get proper massage is to tell boy that you don't have sex with boys. Nothing stops you from changing your mind several minutes later and signal change of mind by toughing him where sun doesn't shine.

This is not universal as I recall quite a few cases when boy was unreasonable, settled down on much lower rate than he originally requested / like half / and still kept his part of bargain after that. I don't mind them trying to skin me alive and probably at times they get some newbie who will pay whatever they want, thing I hate is when something is negotiated and than story is changing in order to leave earlier or not do what they promised to. But this is mercifully rare though.

I must say that with massage boys I rarely if ever had problem with cutting time short, even if all was finished before time purchased elapsed they at least asked what we do now and always were willing to spend remaining time cuddling and feeling each other. With go-gos not so rosy and I agree with Christian that sometimes they try to maximize income and minimize time but to their credit I must say those short cutters are still rather small minority. Starting negotiations about time and money is rare but again I agree that this is hint that they may be too commercial although on few occasions boy asked how much I will give him, which I have no problem answering. To their credit again I don't recall situation that they tried to bargain , I on another hand quite often try to bargain them down. I usually ask them up front how much they want and need to say that old answer ' up to you ' slowly but surely is giving way to some monetary quotation and if they are trying too high I'm not shy to bargain. Rarely they are going over board though although I had Tawan boy who wanted 3000 for 1 hr and he was not top of their line. We settled down a bit lower / 2500 for 2 hr, still too much /, he was great but still tried to leave before negotiated end, which is not what I like. If you ask me , I'd prefer if numbers are discussed up front and wouldn't mind Japanese style of price list nailed somewhere in the bar.

you hunt Caucasians in LOS and just feast on Thai eye candy for free?

nothing wrong with that if that's what's one is looking for but it wouldn't be me for sure

Me too and it's easy since I usually start at BBB Inn and they have massage boys on duty 7/24

So if you tip 500 at Saranrom plus 200 cheapest short time room , boy costs you minimum 700 / hr. now I feel better, my shortest long time off last trip was 6 hrs / 11-5 /, no off fee, tip 3500 including massage , cost 583 / hr, I did not realize I'm so frugal .LOL

from my last trip: BBB Inn - one boy requested to leave ID, two let go without, one was insider so no problem, ordinary guests not asked for ID Tarntawan - ID requested in both cases Take A Nap - nobody was bothered with ID Cafe Royale - ID requested in all 3 cases Malaysia - one boy ID requested and when left reception called to confirms I'm alive, two boys went in unmolested by reception, likely because I smile and wave at reception stuff any time I'm passing by during day Om Yim - ID requested in all three cases Nantra Silom - nobody bothered with ID

me too and I always drink beer or juice straight from the bottle , I don't drink water, only animals do IMHO

best cure for this homesickness is to book a ticket

Since I almost exclusively off for long time in order to avoid early leavers I always warn them that I want long time. From time to time boy does short time only so we don't have a deal. In this trip I had only one boy offed knowing he will not do long time / from Tawan / and one who reneged on deal and left after 1.5 hr / fromXSize/. I also never had a boy asking if this will be short or long time but this is owing to fact that time question is usually my second right after ' do you want to go with me'. I agree that boy asking question how long it will take would be bad omen and offing him were courting disaster but few times when boy agreed on long time indicated up front that he must leave at certain hour in the morning which I don't mind as long as I'm warned up front. Even managed to squeeze extra hour from boy from Zeus who wanted to leave at 5 but I told him 'till six minimum' , he agreed and left at 6.03

you have nerves made from steel, for me it's impossible to pass by Soi Twilight and not go in even in middle of dead night on my 15th night , not to mention first waiting impatiently for your reports

Where you will be starting? My usual first stop is Arena

Did not I tell you ' just go' Enjoy your trip and we are waiting impatiently for your updates / no pressure ,no /

It like waiting at the airport for OP arrival and killing time with conversation on whatever subject will come in. Him and his stories should arrive shortly. Tipping habits discussion usually generates heated responses , this time we behaved again and again

Stop swearing in long dead language, LOL

We are talking different lifestyles here, 3000 for four =750 per person, certainly not my style of dining in LOS but we all have our little pleasures so why not. As abang noticed above 50 baht buys a meal in street stand so I'd not call such tip pittance

I wonder if anybody when considering size of tip is really trying to buy boy's / or girl's / respect ? My line of thinking is: in my local bar boy will dance naked for me at the table for equivalent of 550 baht per song, song lasts 5-7 minutes and there are 3 songs in sequence so say, 20 minutes is 1650 baht. I rather don't go there , live chaste life and save money for LOS where twice of that amount will buy me whole night's company.

not being an American I'm not entirely buying an argument that tip size should be related to the size of amount in the bin, hence kind of flat rate I devised for myself. After all plate of plain rice or filet mignon with trimmings require just one trip to the kitchen. Injustice is somehow leveled by the fact that I'm not fan of fancy food or restaurants and Dick's or Maxi and the likes are top of the line for me.

most likely I'm guilty as charged. From last trip -for massages I tip 1000 / 1 hr treatment , 1500 / few times just 1200/ for 1.5 hr , regardless of minimum tip, once left 2000 for 1.5 hr / at Senso / short time - I do it rarely, 3 times last trip : 1000 /boy left before agreed time, told him he will get more when returns but he did not/, 2500 I agree I overtipped, lost my cool I guess, boy great but left earlier than agreed, my curse I guess, 3000 again way too much but I included parting gift after 5 previous long time offs and got very good massage as a bonus long time 2500-3000 / usually /, 3 or 4 times added 500 because of great massage , still I consider this great value for money as most of long times were long 7-10 hrs. street pick up, 2000 for 7 hrs, he did not mention money at all but took mine matter of factly taxi money, never requested, wouldn't give in such case but gave 100 on few occasions to long timers when did not buy them a breakfast as is my habit mamasans in bars 0-100 depending of my mood and if they were helpfull / at Screwboys and BBB Boyztown they were really / performers in bars, 100 on departure for boy I like the most on stage, boy sitting with me 100-200, big cock show 100 for one of them, fuck show 100 / only one , at XBoys Pattaya this trip / sometimes lip sync singer or candle sufferer 100 depending on my mood, captains in massages 0, exception Bangkok Massage soi Twilight where I'm extracting hug from 2 of them for 100 and I tip sometimes 100 Art at Arena because I like him / and his biceps /, no hug from him though drink at bar, 20 per serving so 2 drinks brought at once , still 20 only restaurants 0-300, 20 baht, 301-600, 40 baht, over 600 , 60 baht taxis , rounded to nearest 20 i.e. 63=80, 97=100 comments welcomed, verbal abuse accepted but keep in mind I swear in 7 languages

You are right, with 350-400 drink price visiting all 6 bars in the soi is equivalent to long time off with corresponding more fun likely. On another hand perspective of frequent visitor like you is different from once-a year one like me who wants to utilize all opportunities and costs are budgeted for and kind of secondary consideration. First and short time visitors may be even more prolific and I guess bars are cashing on it. So all newbies reading it do not listen to us, old hands , take your money and splurge because when you return home you will likely regret that you skimp on 13 $ drink with show included, been there , done / or rather didn't do / that and regretted myself as one never knows when will be back. On another hand if one is looking for company that evening , bar hopping is good idea only if first bar visited is not producing anybody suitable. Otherwise with choice available it's easy to get overwhelmed with possibilities and return empty handed to cold bed or even worse, picking up first boy smiling at and not necessarily one we wanted. As for Id my life is easy as boys of type I like usually have not only ID but marriage certificate and pictures of their children in their smartphones, you are my witness LOL. But your comment is valid in any bar and one should ask and examine ID closely even if in slightest doubt not only for legal reason but I'd say ethical reason first.

Visited them in Dec 2014 and can attest that place looks classy, exactly as on pictures above http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/9633-club-61-and-waternest-massage-places-in-sukhumvit/ treatments definitely different from other massage places so I wish them luck and hope to return next time, what I like you can pick up treatments in segments ie. just massage or just Jacuzzi or whatever they offer

As promised above while ago I went to Waternest in Dec 2014 and below are my experiences copied from my http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/9774-off-to-thailand-again-december-2014-trip/ thread. Soi 39 is close to Phnom Prom /?/ BTS station , exit 3 . This is where Waterworks spa is located, short walk though the soi , in about 5 mins there's Philippe restaurant on the corner of small sub-soi where at the end Spa is located. Picked up 2 courses- 95 mins of massage followed up by 30 mins of jacuzzi treatment , total cost 2040, minimum tip for 1 treatment 700 , for 2, like mine 800. It was only one boy available at 4.30 so no choice at the moment but saw 2 farangs departing at the same time like me so likely they were busy. I was treated in the VIP room with massage table , jacuzzi, shower , toilet, another table for multiple shower treatment were located, all in one quite spacious room. Massage table luxurious with hole for the head, boy undressed himself promptly, wrapped in the towel which was shed next time I checked , say in 5 minutes. Massage requested strong and delivered with abundant access to desired boy's body parts. Than jacuzzi where fun continued. For me it was new experience, believe me or not I was in this thing first time, this was reason for picking up that treatment. All I can say with insert of boy inside Jacuzzi is a great thing, but why people are paying to install those sophisticated tubs in their houses is and always will be beyond me. Tipped boy 1500, well deserved for massage and fun delivered. I'm glad I went, don' be discouraged by prices quoted as I picked up most expensive and longest treatments and cheaper fun can be had there , certainly different from all massage places we usually frequent. Name of spa is WATERNEST , I used wrongly 'Waterworks' name in the original narrative By the way , another excellent place- Jey Spa is in the next soi, short walk from soi 39.

As promised myself above went there in Dec 2014, at first had problem of finding the place but got helpfull directions from 1moRussian and eventually got there on second try. Is actually easy walk from ON Nut, soi 52 is first soi from station in direction of train you arrived, shortly soi forks, turn left and after 100 m it forks again, turn right. First townhouse in your left is the place, no sign with name, just number 39 . In the small garden at front there's weight lift. Total may be 5-7 mins from station Friendly welcome, some English spoken, boys picked up form the pictures in the smartphone. Not many present when I was there but trip was worth it. Like all neighborhood places far from Silom/Suriwong tourist ghetto number of boys on duty is variable, discretion much higher but service and welcome friendly and prices digestible, standard length of massage is 1 1/2 hr, my favorite. If you have hots for boy seen on the website you may wish to call in advance to book him up but I liked whom I got.

After Arena this was my number 2 stop during my Dec 2014 trip, friendly and helpful mamasans / twice called boy for me from home / and good selection of boys, only firecat had bad luck , when we were there together nothing took his fancy. Me and ChristianPFC had much better luck even if we don not share the same taste, he got his twinks and I got my hunk / One , 6 offs in 3 weeks /, boys friendly and various types. Not competitive - few times when passed by boys in the bar at front told me : "boy you off another day is inside" I'd say Screwboys is a must to visit right now even if firecat disagrees. Drinks 300, off fee 450-500. And yes , they are open till 2 p.m. , handy for those arriving late or looking for consolators after early evening off disappointed them, God forbid.