vinapu

I'm not surprised, already stated before that I consider their show the best of all I saw in BKK and PTY and I'm not saying that because my 'boyfriend' from last trip is from there. Also boys line up was second best after Tawan for bars I visited in May but fact is I did not visit that many this time

Keep in mind I took boy to Nantra so he did not have any incentive to confabulate about Sunflower but of course he could just pretend he knows while he did not have a clue.

I found most intense selection process at SENSO since lobby is small and boys are literally 2 meters from your face , all hunks , massage always very good there, I was never disappointed

they were teasing you by suggesting you chicken out. Relax and as biguyby suggested , just go, once inside you will not chicken out, you may be overwhelmed at first but curiosity and excitement will take over, guaranteed. If you are after water, Waternest and Shape spa in Thonburi are your best bets. For sauna reviews read Christian blog, address under his post, you will learn plenty about Thailand as well. Forky is right - pick up boy who seem to be interested in you / smiles /.

I'm shocked

I can relate to OP being nervous since I still remember my heart pumping when climbing stairs back in 2001 to my first massage place visited-HIS in the same plaza where ARENA is now. Even now, after 11 trips when entering those places I feel some tingling under the collar. My advice to nervous newbies to BKK male massages will be: - go by BTS to Sala Daeng station and walk length of the right side Silom from beginning at intersection to soi 6, many massage places with boys outside - turn right and walk through soi 6 , still few more massage places as you are walking with even more boys to Suriwong - after 3 minutes you will hit another busy street -Suriwong, turn right, don't cross the street yet - walk along and you will see even more places with boys outside -when you pass Patpong and Patpong 2 on your right start paying attention to the opposite side of Suriwiong , soon you will see sign HOT MALE, BOYS BANGKOK etc , this is famous soi Twilight - cross the street making sure you are not hit by car, remember Thailand drives on the left -enter soi , few meters into soi you will see on your left MAXI restaurant and on your right and across restaurant Bangkok Massage with quite a few boys sitting outside, count your blessings because they will not pay any attention to you, being consumed by watching porn or whatever on their smartphones - have a seat, order drink but not a meal and get adjusted to the sight of massage boys thinking intensively which one you like the best, - even if you don't pick up anybody this gives you necessary nerves calming exercise - if you walk too fast you may stop at another restaurant - Dick's on your right , right after seeing another set of boys sitting at front of Bonny's massage, you may repeat exercise but vantage point is not as good since you will have your drink sitting beside boys , not across the soi from them. Now you should be brave enough to try either one of places you just saw or ones you plan to visit. Both places are not intimidating because technically you are in restaurant not at their place. Having to choose your first boy from the offer can be intimidating as well so if you still scared / nervous my advice would be to try Waternest, Jey Spa or S52 since there you are picking up boys from either smartphone or picture book. Second choice could be Hero, Prince or VClub because boys there are behind the glass wall so not in your face so you will feel a little more secured. You will not see nudity anywhere until you will be in the massage room with the boy who may be naked from the start or may start shedding his clothes gradually. In both places in soi Twilight and at Hero and Prince boys will shower with you so you will have nudity right away which may be good or not good thing depending how nervous still you are. My advice to my friend who will be nervous newbie will be to skip all the above and head straight to Banana Club and ask Kevin, very pleasant and informative owner for Tao. He is well mannered soft spoken gay man with superb massage skills, trained at Wat Po , it shows and feels I haste to add. Can't imagine anybody not being at ease in his presence. Banana Club boys are showering with you as well at both ends of session. Gee, getting hot in here.

1. We had breakfasts somewhere else, usually at Foodland Patpong , so really I did not notice that cafe and can't comment. 2. sign is there but boy from Super A I offed to Nantra Silom told me that there are no problems with visitors at Sunflower and being from bar located 20 meters from hotel I guess he is in good position to know. Room I rented was for use of my quasi boyfriend I brought from Pattaya , I was at Nantra around the corner, I had room fro 4 nights but he slept there only two (alone I hope). 3. I went there couple times to grab him at various times including in the dead of first night and had no problem entering, reception was manned / actually girled that night / 4. no idea as we vacated room after breakfast but they seem to be nice there so I guess with smile you can negotiate later checkout. They even remember to return my 500 key deposit I forgot about and had she not returned it to me I wouldn't recall it likely although chances are my boy would. Hope it helped vinapu

If you are in BKK just go to Tawan and throw your net. If not, just wait impatiently like all of us do when we have trip approaching. Keep in mind recommendations are precious but we need to check by ourselves, sometimes recommended boys are not to our liking, sometimes other way around, boy who we are warned about is becoming our little treasure . I call it joy of discovery. I even had a case described in Nov 2014 trip report when on one night boy was wild tiger and on next became sleepy kitten - I liked both incarnations equally.

I don't know your system but usually I ask boy how much he wants before off so no haggling in the morning , sometimes bit haggling in the bar if boy is clearly too greedy, I don't blame them for trying. Sometimes boy is asking in the bar how much I give them. I like to settle money and time maters / I off long time almost exclusively / up front so no surprises later. Some people just paying what they consider going rate and throw a bit more or not if boy asks for taxi money /for me this is kiss of death as long as that boy is concerned although at times I give them 100 for taxi but not because they ask but because I liked experience/ Surprisingly perhaps I was drawn to # 14 by his hairstyle but liked his personality and huggable body /with 3 offs it goes without saying / , he is one of smaller boys in Tawan

Thanks for warning, your opinion reflects most comments on another forum

3000, this is max I'm paying for long time spoiling market for others I guess

now we are waiting for yours

do you mean you occasionally see boys in business who are approaching sixties ? There are some here and there who may be in forties but I never saw anybody THAT experienced

Tawan, no mamasans to speak of, boys are friendly and very open minded. But if you are into twinks this is no place for you.

Me neither but boys drag me over there

YES, that's it,

thank you ! If it's any consolation I can tell you that I bought ticket for last trip at end of January but literally till evening of day of departure at end of May I was not sure I will be able to use it due to some family circumstances so I was living 4 month in suspension, an alternative was kind of pleasant too but nothing beats vacation in LOS.

didn't I post 3 or 4 pictures from Tropical gardens?

It's actually 2 weeks already. Before Thai economy can count on me I need to start counting on my own economy LOL I usually don't make plans for trips , just wait for moment of enlightenment and then act very fast to finalize.

Happy birthday koko !

Thank you biguyby. I'm sad I completed my report and now only can think about next trip for which I don't have any plans yet. I liked our bar tour as well spoiled only by way too loud music at XBoys and awfully silicon deformed cock of one of performers there. I too hope for future meetings. Bar tours and exchanging views about boys on stage is always highlight on my trips. But now I'm back to slavery only consolation being fact I hate summer vacations so it's easier to toil.

I'm not that stingy, budget was busted few days earlier / on Tuesday , I departed Saturday / . I usually leave empty pocketed when I travel either by spending last penny, putting leftovers in charities collection bins in airport which I consider great idea as for most people foreign money is useless in their home countries or by giving it to some random person like this lime

I don't remember name, boy from Super A lead us there since he knew location so I followed him as a sheep not paying attention as I'm not big on steaks. It was roughly across Silom soi 6 on Convent side of Silom, building is called CP tower or something like that and restaurant is on 2nd floor. It was some renovation done on first floor , you need to climb some stairs for 1 st floor , is not on street level exactly

Day 14 First thought in the morning was that I’m no longer butterfly. Second night was only one with somebody new / boy from Screwboys / , rest known quality from previous trips or repeat offs in case of Super A and Tawan boys. Today I was rushing him a bit because I wanted to see Xiluzer at 8.30 at Foodland Patpong and we were just finishing breakfast when he showed up. Great friend and companion for bar and massages visits. We share the same taste but surprisingly perhaps still like different boys from places we visit together. He is big fan of Tawan and no surprise he knew my boy remembering even his number. Hope our paths will cross again soon on BKK pavements. So two good byes for me at once, Xiluzer went right to his hotel, Oud left to catch taxi home at Silom and I went straight to hotel to pack which did not take much time , I’m travelling lightly. BTS to Phaya Thai, train to Swampy /45 baht /, at the airport spent last bahts on bottle of whisky, Oriental Wood after shave cream I always buy for 420 in one of duty free stores and remaining 42 baht I gave to cleaning lady I passed by on my way to the aircraft and so my 11th trip to LOS was over. A bit different than before with less massages and no butterflying , more days spent in PTY then previously and first and foremost Quasi Boyfriend Experience, surprisingly perhaps, very enjoyable . As usual I left happy and with busted budget but for me this is part of holiday experience. I’m very careful with money at home to let my hair loose while on vacation. There was only shade this time- absence of One at Screwboys. If he was there it would be quite possible whole situation was reversed with me taking him to PTY. I like clinging to and hugging my men, he was one who liked to cling to and hug me, small difference but hard to forget.

Day 13 I’m early riser but definitely not today. It was 10.40 when we left room and instead of late breakfast we had early lunch in a restaurant downstairs. Boy had some seafood and me , you guessed right, chicken with cashew nuts. I did not have a chance for my morning stroll along Silom so did noon one instead, always fascinating and always something new. At 1 p.m. as promised yesterday I went to soi Twilight to have massage with Sokchai at Bonny’s. Good, strong massage and I like his quiet manners and almost completely hairless body. As result of QBFE I’m undermassaged so decided for repeat at Banana hoping Tao will be there but Kevin, the owner recognized me right away and told me he has day off today so I settled for substitute catching my eye and he was quite good and fun as well as impressively endowed. Then went back to Om Yim due to 7 p.m. scheduled meeting with ChristianPFC . Dinner together downstairs, I don’t remember what he had but if you don’t know what I did just read 1st paragraph above. I must be seriously addicted to Thai version of chicken with cashew nuts and never tired with it. Then we decided for X-Size in soi Twilight. This trip I clearly neglected soi , used to be there every night , this time only few times with 2 massages and 2 bars visited. X size was pretty empty but closer to show time was filling in. Few boys on the stage completely dressed, Lao and Cambodians I guess for easy escape in case boys in brown visit, locals in briefs. . Mostly twinks but later on few man like appeared , among them boy I offed last Dec with whom I was very happy but who pissed me off by leaving early. I’d give him a chance but tonight I was fixated on Tawan unfortunately for him. He participated in big cock show so got my 100 tip along with his diminutive colleague who was hung like horse. Quite a few boys were smiling at me temptingly not knowing that they don’t have a chance and I saw some potential as well. All in all nice show and nice mix on the stage. After the show we hang out a bit and then left, Christian was heading to Farose sauna if memory serves me well but saunas are not my thing so we parted our ways on Suriwong hoping for meeting in the future. Always nice conversation with Christian and a chance to look at boys from another perspective- definitely we are not in competition when comes to boy types, as he says my boys are too fat for him and probably too old although he was gentle enough not to say it loudly. Last pass by Screwboys still hoping One appeared but mamas an standing at front shaked her head saying ‘no’, even now writing this I feel a bit sad. As planned went to Tawan, hoping #15 , name Boy will be there but was not so I sat again with my last night stand # 14 and invited another hunk Tiger to sit with us as well. Not too many clients so they cancelled second show they usually have on Fridays / and Saturdays /. After good half an hour I asked # 14 to dress, is not exaggeration to say he seemed very happy, no wonder , 3 offs in 4 days and as soon as he came dressed what happened? #15, Boy showed up, probably somebody called him I’m looking for him but failed to inform me , I’d wait in such a case. Unfortunately it was too late. I wouldn’t feel right to do what #51 did to me on Sunday and tell him that I will go with another boy, sure I could gentlemanly pay him tip without taking him home but at end of trip I did not have funds for such generosity. After all not my fault , I did my part by showing up. I gave Boy 100 baht for taxi, he was visibly upset he missed his off two nights in row – I told him I was looking for him yesterday too.. Another great time with Oud at end of day 13 and my whole trip.