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I agree with luvthai's post. I don't buy the argument that someone may be 'rescuing' a boy from a groping "farang." What is he being "offed" for? A dinner companion? Sorry, but the only reason I can see that one customer would try to "off" a boy who is sitting with another customer is to satisfy himself. Somehow, I can't picture a "farang" as a knight in shining armor coming to the rescue by taking a boy "off," and then taking that same boy to his hotel room for sex. That's a rescue? I don't see it that way. Suppose there are two or three boys sitting with groping "farang." Are you going to 'rescue' all of them? Somehow, I doubt that a person "offing" a boy under those circumstances is thinking about rescuing him. I also don't see why someone should have to be on a ten-minute timetable to decide whether he wants to "off" a boy or not. Sometimes you know immediately and sometimes you don't. I think part of the issue is who has the priority, the person already with a boy or the person who walked in, saw the boy with someone else, and wants to take him "off." One of them is going to be the loser. Should it be the person who got there first or the person who came in later? I think if someone just has to have the boy who is already with someone else, then luvthai has got the best way to do it. Personally, I hope that anybody who "offs" a boy who is already sitting with someone else ends up having "offed" a total dud. Then tell me all about how happy you are that you came to the rescue.

You're very good at twisting around what people mean. I meant, "This is what we have been talking about." If you didn't understand that, then I have my doubts about your command of English. I fully support the best intentions for the boys, but I don't see you writing about the best intentions for the boy. You are writing your response as if that boy is the only boy in the bar. There are quite a few other boys in the same bar who also want to be taken "off." If you're trying to take a boy "off" who is already with another customer, you're going to have to go a long way to explain to me how you have the best intentions of the boy at heart and not your own self interest. I hope, since you are so well intentioned, you're not one of these people who takes a boy "off" and then gives him a lousy tip, as many people post and try to justify. I can't speak for others, but if a boy is already with a customer, then I'll either "off" another boy, wait until the customer with the boy either takes him "off" or leaves, or return another night. What I won't do is try to take the boy he is already with, especially when there are other boys in the bar to choose from who also want to be taken "off." If that is a "spurious protocol," then I'll abide by the spurious protocol. If you're going to enter a bar and try to take the very boy who is already with another customer, that's your affair.

From his lordship: El toro poo poo. We're not talking about what the boy would choose to do. We're talking about the behavior of the "farang." We're also not talking about monopolizing a boy for an evening. The incident at hand is the fact that ChrisUK was with a boy when a "farang" walked in and forced a situation, not to mention sticking ChrisUK with the "off" fee. Are you seriously saying that you would walk into a bar, see a boy sitting with a customer, and then try to "off" that boy while he is still with that customer?

Not to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's nothing but pure selfishness. What, exactly, would you do if you try to take a boy "off" who is already sitting with another customer, and that customer says no, I was here first and he's with me? Would you argue about it? Would you try to force him? Would you try to get the mama-san to intervene on your behalf? Would you make a scene? How far are you prepared to go to get the boy over the objections of the customer who is already with him? What would be your response if you had called a boy over to sit with you, bought him a drink, are trying to get to know him a little and then make your decision as to whether you want to "off" him or not, and somebody just walks in and snatches him from you? Somehow I doubt you would say no problem and be smiling about it. I think you'd be mad as hell. I don't see how first come, first served means someone is buying and not browsing. What's wrong with browsing? I browse before I buy. Don't you? Your showroom analogy makes no sense to me at all. That showroom has a lot more cars than just the one. Besides, if you want to use a showroom analogy, the first "farang" isn't browsing. He'd be browsing if he was sitting there watching the boys on the stage and had not yet called a boy over. Once he does call a boy over and buys him a drink, he just made a down payment. He has the right to continue with the sale or cancel it within a period of time. Just because someone else wants the same car, that doesn't mean he has to make an instant decision. I'll give you another analogy. You're in a grocery store. There's a box of cookies on the shelf, a brand you like, but it's the only box in the store. You take the box and are holding it in your hand, but you haven't yet decided whether you're going to buy. Someone else comes up to you and asks if you're going to buy it. You tell him you're thinking about it, but haven't decided yet. With that he grabs it out of your hand and says in that case it's his and he's buying it, and off he goes to the cash register. You ask, "Why wait?" Because the other customer was there first and has already spent money on the boy. It's called common courtesy. As I said, I don't think a boy is fair game when he is already with another customer.

I agree with Hedda on this issue. Rainwalker, you said it yourself. "I think the operative analogy might be first come, first served." Isn't the customer who called the boy over the one who is first come? Yes, the bar wants to make money. Yes, the boy wants to make money. I appreciate that, but part of the bar business is for boys to be called over to sit with customers. I don't see anything in any of these arguments that convinces me that if I've called a boy over to sit with me, then it's perfectly ok for another customer to enter, say he wants to "off" the boy I've called over, and now I have to either "off" him or cede him to the customer. If the second "farang" wants to take the boy "off," then why can't he wait to see what the first "farang" is going to do instead of forcing him to decide right then and there if he is going to take the boy "off"? I would be very angry if I had just bought a drink for the boy and suddenly I'm told that I need to decide right then and there whether I'm going to take him "off" or let someone else take him. I find it difficult to understand how anyone can feel a correct or polite thing to do is to walk into a bar, see a boy already sitting with another "farang," and think it is perfectly ok to try to take that boy for himself without giving a damn that he is already sitting with someone else. If it were me, I would say to the Mama-San, "If that "farang" does not off the boy, then I would like to after he leaves." That way, if the first "farang" does not "off" the boy, you'll still be able to without imposing on him. I do agree with pete1969 that if a customer has called several boys over, then there should be no problem about asking for one of them, but even then that is something I would never do. But when it is one-on-one, that's a different story. I'm sorry, but I don't see it as helping the boy make money. I see it as unjustified selfishness.

That is correct. There are no rules per se, but I don't think it is right to try to take a boy who is already sitting with another customer. I also don't think the bar is right to permit it, even if the boy just sat down and no drinks had even been ordered yet. If I was a customer in a bar that did that to me, that's the last time I'd be in that bar. I too am happy that it worked out for you, but the same boy would have very likely have been there the next night. From what you wrote, I don't think you would have done that if the mama-san had not gone over to that "farang." How would you have felt if the situation was reversed? I just don't think a boy is fair game if he is already sitting with someone else.

If they were serious about trying him for such crimes, then why don't they have him arrested wherever he is and extradited?

The behavior of the "farang" was totally inappropriate. If you go into a bar and had a boy in mind to "off," if you see him with another customer you certainly don't try to take him from that customer. You either wait and see if that customer is going to "off" the boy, you wait until the customer leaves, or you find someone else. If I was in a bar and had called a boy over, then if someone else tried to take that boy away, especially if I had already bought a drink for him, then my response would have been to make it clear he can stick it where the sun don't shine. I also blame the waiter and mama-san for allowing that situation to arise in the first place. That behavior was also inappropriate. The waiter never should have come to you to tell you that another customer wants the boy. What he should have done was tell the customer sorry, but the boy is already busy with someone. Also, many people may be unaware that you can "reserve" a boy. Many bars will honor that. If you let the bar know which boy you want to take "off" and what time you'll be there, bars that accept a "reservation" will make sure the boy is available at the reserved time and allow a thirty-minute leeway. If the customer hasn't shown up by then, then he loses the reservation. If the rude customer had made such a "reservation," then there wouldn't have been a dispute. If you had called the boy over the mama-san would have (hopefully) informed you that the boy had been reserved and will have to leave when the customer who reserved him arrives. One part of your story confuses me. I don't understand why you would have been presented with an "off" bill if you were not taking the boy "off." What was that all about? I hope you didn't pay that part of the bill.

The following appears in the BANGKOK POST: _____ Thaksin 'Must be Tried for Deaths' Govt Urged to Ratify Convention on Court PRADIT RUANGDIT The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) and the Lawyers Council of Thailand are pressing the government to ratify the convention on the International Criminal Court so deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra could be tried for crimes against humanity over his controversial anti-drugs campaign. The council and former lawmakers accused the Thaksin administration of having blood on its hands for waging its so-called war on drugs which killed more than 2,000 people, most of them drug traders and traffickers. The government must bring Mr Thaksin to justice or the Sept 19 military coup which swept it to power would amount to nothing but a public deception, they said. Somchai Hom-laor, chairman of the council's human rights committee, said evidence came to light supporting the belief that state officials were responsible for the deaths of 2,500 people in the anti-drugs campaign. The death toll was recorded from two phases of the campaign, the first from February to April 2003 and the second in 2005. Officials were obeying a Thaksin policy which included a well-organised plan to issue a ''licence to kill'' with approval from Mr Thaksin, the then interior minister Wan Muhamad Nor Matha, and the then interior permanent secretary Sermsak Pongpanich. ''They all signalled policy approval for the killing,'' Mr Somchai said at a discussion yesterday organised by the Press Association of Thailand. The government and the coup engineers, the Council for National Security (CNS), had no choice but get to the bottom of the drug-related killings and punish officials who perpetrated them, both for disciplinary and criminal violations, he said. The policy-makers, including Mr Thaksin, could end up facing charges of crimes against humanity. ''Saddam Hussein [the former president of Iraq] was charged with committing crimes against humanity for the killing of 170 people. In that case, the 2,500 deaths we witnessed here must constitute crimes against humanity,'' he said. The Attorney-General's Office should handle the issue should it become a case, as that agency answers to obligations governed by an international court agreement. But first, the government must ratify the convention on the International Criminal Court. Thai courts of justice must then formally acknowledge the legal interpretation of the definition of crimes against humanity for the admissibility and adjudication of such an offence to be established in Thailand. Without acknowledgment by the court, there was no chance of prosecuting Mr Thaksin. Mr Somchai said the Thaksin administration did not bother to ratify the convention. If the present government went ahead with the ratification, it would effectively restrict Mr Thaksin's mobility. The former prime minister, in self-imposed political exile overseas since the coup, has travelled from China to Indonesia on a diplomatic passport he has used since he was in power. ''Signing the convention would prevent Mr Thaksin from popping up here and there, especially in European countries which are signatories to the convention,'' he said. Mr Thaksin could be brought to trial if he landed in the wrong country. Mr Somchai said restoring the rule of law required reforming the police force and subjecting police criminal investigations to scrutiny by the court. Wasant Panich of the NHRC said the drugs war policy was clearly a mistake, for which Mr Thaksin must be held to account. He cited the discovery of an official letter sent to people in Samut Sakhon's Ban Phaeo district at the height of the campaign, warning them to report to a local drugs war centre or their ''safety could not be guaranteed''. Mr Wasant added that a letter allegedly signed by an interior permanent secretary at the time was distributed to provincial governors outlining three ways to cut the number of drugs traders and producers. The suspects could be ''arrested, face extra-judicial killings, or lose their lives for any reason''. He said the blacklist of drug suspects took only 15 days to compile. The perceived haste raised concerns that some may have been wrongly targeted. The NHRC received 40 complaints related to the drugs war deaths. Not a single culprit in those cases was ever caught. Former senator Kraisak Choonhavan said the campaign was the most blatant form of human rights violation. He was surprised the government and the CNS did not feel compelled to highlight the issue as one of the reasons for toppling the previous administration. ''We can't possibly create a new society if the coup-backed government doesn't lift a finger to deal with the drugs war killings of the Thaksin era,'' he said

The strong baht probably isn't exactly helping sales either. When I bought my place, the exchange rate was 45 baht to the US dollar. Now it's 36 point something. Also, housing prices were far less expensive when I bought. I suppose if one is a potential buyer, the plus side is that there are a hell of a lot of choices. However, if you want to buy in a prime location, then act fast. Those units are the first ones to sell and they go quickly.

Can you provide contact and location information for those who are not familiar with it?

I did not know they offer rooms, but I can definitely vouch for the restaurant. They offer a daily special for 225 baht and it's always excellent. It includes a choice of appetizers, three entree choices, and dessert. I eat there quite often. It's one of my favorites. The dinners are fantastic and I don't know how they do it for the price. The service is always friendly and efficient. They will give you a card. If you have them stamp the card at the time you pay your bill, you'll get your dinner free after ten stamps.

There is a web site for the Panorama Hotel at http://www.burma-travels.com/rangoon-hotel/panorama.htm

Also, there is maintenance to think about. I have three room units. Only a couple days ago I had an air conditioniong company over here to clean and maintain them. They took each one completely apart and worked on them until they seemed like new, inside and out. It took three hours for them to complete their work. Total cost, 1650 baht. Back where I come from, it would cost at least US $30 more than that just to have an air conditioning service come and look at the unit, whether they do any work on it or not.

Thailand's "Happy Toilet" Soon in the Pipeline BANGKOK, Nov 18 (TNA) Not content to sit back and enjoy its flush of success as host of the 2nd World Toilet Expo & Forum 2006 which ended here Saturday, making great strides in promoting higher hygienic standards for clean and safe public loos, Thailand's Ministry of Public Health plans to introduce a "happy toilet" which is not only user-friendly and cares for the environment but also a place of pleasure to relieve one's bowels. Already known as the Land of Smiles, Thailand's Ministry of Public Health wants to put commodious smiles on the faces of those who are ridding themselves of feces. Dr. Narongsakdi Aungkhasuvapala, director-general of Thailand's Department of Health, floated the idea as the 2nd World Toilet Expo & Forum 2006 concluded here on Saturday. The three-day event was held to promote the development of public toilets based on three guiding principles -- health, accessibility and safety. He said the forum's discussions highlighted the importance of proper structural designs of toilet, cleansing management and user habits as major factors that will help reduce the risk of spreading diseases and accidents as well as increasing patron comfort of the use they variably equipped 'comfort rooms', 'water closets', 'restrooms', 'johns,' 'heads' and 'hong nams' throughout 'The Land of Smiles'. To achieve more public satisfaction in using public loos, Dr. Narongsakdi said, Thailand will introduce a new set of standards that goes further beyond the current HAS formal

I haven't been there, but a close friend was there recently. He stayed at The Traders hotel and loved it. The web site is http://www.shangri-la.com/yangon/traders/en/index.aspx . The hotel is also directly across the street from the Lion World bar, which he also loved. He says the best way to meet gay boys is by picking them up in cruise areas. He also said that you are likely to be stopped by touts who will make arrangements for you. He says that worked for him just fine and he had no problems at all, including bringing a "guest" to his room. He suggests bringing American dollars. Whatever amount of money you'll need, take it with you. He says he saw no ATMs at all and exchange houses were few and far between. He said they prefer to take American dollars. He also said the boys ask for only US $4 to $5 for their services.

Maybe it's not so clean. Either way, dumping it into the gulf is not my idea of the best use for it. I've thought about having the water that comes out of my tap tested, but I haven't done it. I'm afraid of what will be found in it.

The following appears in the BANGKOK POST: _____ Airport Not Fit to Open 'Officially' for Six Months Committee Says Suvarnabhumi Still has Far too Many Issues Involving Safety and Noise By Post reporters A panel overseeing the opening of Suvarnabhumi airport has found the facility unfit for an official opening, recommending it be put off for six months. Chalit Phukphasuk, the committee chairman and air force chief, said safety and noise prompted the panel to urge delaying the airport's inauguration, which was expected this month. The committee, appointed by the Council for National Security (CNS), wrapped up its work on Friday. ''There is a load of problems to be fixed. The airport will not be ready for the official opening for six months,'' he said. ''Since His Majesty the King will preside over the opening, it is imperative that everything is ready.'' Suvarnabhumi airport's modern and stylish design has been eclipsed by problems since the Sept 28 opening to commercial flights, he said. Long waits for luggage, hold-ups at check-in counters, roof leaks and inadequate toilets highlighted the early days of operations. Weeks later, uneven and cracked taxiways and parking bays were found at the airport. Current issues include sexual harassment of female staff by men who work for outside contractors and noise pollution. The airport's plan to close one of its two runways for four hours every night is raising suspicion it has something to do with cracks on aircraft taxiways and parking bays. ACM Chalit said noise problems are being attended to. Solutions include changing flying techniques for approaching aircraft and reallocating flight times. He said Airports of Thailand Plc (AoT), which manages the airport, has also been told to improve safety measures before the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) inspects the airport in June next year. The airport requires an aerodrome certificate from ICAO to permanently operate. It currently has an interim certificate from the Aviation Department. ACM Chalit said he has reported the findings to CNS chief Gen Sonthi Boonyaratkalin, Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont and Transport Minister Theera Haocharoen. An official report on airport operations since opening on Sept 28, including an overview of problems, will be submitted later, he said. ACM Chalit said the meeting on Friday was the committee's last. The panel was set up after the Sept 19 coup amid calls for the opening to be put off until it was declared fit for operations. Suvarnabhumi airport, a much-touted project of the deposed Thaksin administration, is plagued with corruption scandals, some being investigated by the Assets Scrutiny Committee. A newly-appointed AoT board, with assistant army chief Gen Saprang Kalayanamitr as a member and potential chairman, is seen as a CNS attempt to expose graft at the new airport. Other alleged irregularities involve selection of duty-free shops and food stalls, bids for trolley procurement and the construction of car park buildings. Issarapan Sanitwong na Ayudhya, national deputy police chief, yesterday said sexual harassment at the facility had been confirmed. He said Chokechai Panyayong, THAI vice-president for ground services, said female staff were harassed, but had not filed complaints with police investigators. Pol Gen Issarapan, however, said no complaints of rape or other violent crimes at the airport were lodged with police.

It seems that just about everywhere in Pattaya and the surrounding vicinity, if there is any land available at all, something is being built on it. Most of it is new apartments and shop houses, along with condos and new shopping centers. That would be fine except there seems to be no substantial infrastructure improvement taking place to support it. If it's been as short a time as even six months since you were last in Pattaya you are likely to be surprised at the amount of new construction going on. South Road (Pattaya Tai) is torn up at the moment. The water company, from what I understand, is putting in new pipes. Other than that, I don't see much infrastructure improvement going on. What I do see is more and more massive traffic jams. So far, it's not quite as bad as Bangkok, but the traffic situation is getting steadily worse and so is parking. Compounding the traffic problems are people who double and even triple park with impunity. Right now, you might as well forget about trying to drive or even take a baht bus down South Road (Pattaya Tai). There will be long delays, especially during rush hour and the evening hours. If you don't know the back roads and how to bypass the Pattaya Tai traffic, then you're going to be stuck in it. Then, if you're driving a car, once you get into the city, good luck finding a place to park. I have no idea, with all the construction going on, how electricity, water, traffic, parking, trash, and sewage will be dealt with. Pattaya is having plenty of problems trying to deal with the present situation as it is. Even when a major improvement project gets started, there always seems to be major delays. Then, once the project is completed, there is often something wrong with it and it is either left as it is or it has to be done all over again.

The following appears in THE NATION: _____ Foreign, Local Demand Fuelling Boom in Pattaya's Property Market The residential market in Pattaya has proven resilient, thanks to pent-up demand from Pattaya locals and Thai and foreign buyers of condominiums and single houses, says a new research report by international property consultants CB Richard Ellis. In response to the growing market, CB Richard Ellis plans to open a new office in Pattaya. As a result of the opening of Suvarnabhumi Airport and continued improvements in both infrastructure and the property market, more property developers are now entering the Pattaya market and launching a variety of developments, including residences, international chain hotels and retail and lifestyle facilities. This will benefit Pattaya and increase its attractiveness as a convenient leisure-home location. The company is seeing more people buying houses and condominium units in Pattaya as first homes, second homes for leisure and relaxation and retirement residences. CB Richard Ellis managing director Aliwassa Pathnadabutr said the rise in demand had been seen in all grades of residential property - particularly condominiums - and proven by good sales performances. A good example of a successful project in Pattaya is The Sails, a five-star beachfront condominium project that has already sold more than 75 per cent of the total units. Another successful development is Baan Talay, a luxury single-detached housing project on Jomtien Beach with a starting price of Bt15 million that has received a lot of interest from Thais and foreigners looking for luxury resort homes with true privacy. Prime locations in Pattaya include Wong Amat, Khao Pratumnak and Jomtien, where many commercial and residential developments have been constructed. For residential projects, especially in the luxury market, prime areas have been extending towards Bang Sarae and Tawanron Beach, both of which feature stunning scenery, clean beaches and higher levels of privacy. Most of the projects are located on the beachfront or within close proximity of the beach. Ensuring sea views from units is a crucial element for grade-A developments in achieving high prices. The latest survey of residential condominium projects in Pattaya conducted by CB Richard Ellis' research team reports there are six high-rise developments being actively marketed totalling 966 units, 70.4 per cent of which have been sold or reserved. CB Richard Ellis forecasts there will be only 329 grade-A condominium units at several projects that are scheduled for completion next year and another 463 in 2008. The total supply of grade-A condominiums will then reach 2,100 units next year, which represents only 8.5 per cent of the total market. Given the strong demand and limited high-quality supply, prices have been increasing. The average price of grade-A high-rise condominium developments at prime beachfront locations is now Bt85,000 to Bt110,000 per square metre. CB Richard Ellis believes Pattaya is now riding the rising wave of a new property cycle as demand continues to improve and expects to see developers launching more new residential condominium and holiday-home projects in Pattaya next year.

The following appears in THE NATION: _____ Pattaya Dragon to Feature First 'Cool Pub' A Bt1.2-billion entertainment complex in Pattaya will feature Thailand's first cool pub. The Pattaya Dragon will be located on a 23-rai site on Second Road in the city resort and is expected to attract both foreigners and locals. The project will consist of three zones - Moonlight, Ice Bar and Slim Pattaya. Moonlight will be an outdoor area designed for staging events, including concerts and competitions. It will accommodate up to 10,000 people. The Ice Bar will be the first cool pub in Thailand, with different temperatures in four areas. It will hold up to 600. And Slim Pattaya will be a pub with four areas - a slim zone focusing on young people, a fashion zone aimed at drawing a business crowd, a cigar zone for smokers and a terrace and bar for dining. Ana Wongsing, managing director and project director at Baan Beer Pattaya, said construction would be completed next year. The business is expected to grow 30 per cent a year. She said the goal was to build a new tourist attraction in Pattaya that was different from all the others. "This place will also feature a hotel, shopping plaza, pub, spa, food courts, multinational cuisine and drinking booths," said Ana. About 70 per cent of visitors are expected to be foreigners. Western tourists tend to visit Pattaya from November to February, while Asian tourists, particularly Taiwanese and South Koreans, prefer to come from August to October. The location of the new Suvarnabhumi Airport will boost the number of tourists visiting Pattaya as well as the complex. Tour operators are being approached to include Pattaya Dragon in their itineraries. Suchat Sritama The Nation, Pattaya

The following appears in the PATTAYA CITY NEWS: _____ International Jazz Concert Coming to Pattaya in December We previously reported details of a Jazz Festival which will take place between 9th and 17th December which will feature top international jazz artists. On Thursday Afternoon at the Horseshoe Point, the event was officially presented to the media at this press conference. The event has been organized by the Tourism Authority of Thailand and is being held to celebrate the 80th Birthday of His Majesty the King. Kenny G, McCoy Tyner, Nancy Wilson, Chris Botti, The Regina Carter Quintet, and The Dizzy Gillespie All-Star Big Band are just some of the artists taking part in the event which will be held here in Pattaya and also in Chang Mai, Phuket and Bangkok. Here in Pattaya, there will be two days of music between 11th and 12th December. The music featured at the event will include compositions from His Majesty. Tickets are 1,500 Baht and are available at Thai Ticket Master (Tel. 0-2262-3456 www.thaiticketmaster.com) and the TAT Regional Office located on trhe Pratamnuk Hill. For more information, you can contact the TAT Call Center 1672 or E-mail : info@tat.or.th

I think he did it because he wanted advice. Some of us can see a big difference between advice and hate-filled, inappropriate, mean-spirited venom. It's all in the presentation. With that, I think I've had about enough of this thread too.

Ok, we'll see if GayThailand shares your opinion and wants to answer. I'm not upset that he isn't taking me to Brazil. Been there, done that. But next time he goes to Spain . . . .

Yes, indeed I can. GayThaland scanned and sent the results to me and I received them in an E-mail. I'm glad you take the flamers in stride. It boggles my mind that there are actually people out there who spend time posting their nonsense. It's incredible to me that people spend their time poking their noses into your life. They may claim it has nothing to do with jealousy, but that's at least a part of what it is. Jealousy, envy, holier than thou, just plain being mean, or whatever it is, I'm glad your attitude is not to give a damn about what they write. I don't know why the flamers can't content themselves with minding their own business, but as far as I'm concerned they can all go to hell. Your life and the way you wish to live it is absolutely nobody's concern other than your own and you don't have to defend it to anybody. I'll bet that most of them would love to be able to live their lives being able to do anything they damned well please. So would I. Go where you want with whoever you want. If these creeps don't like it, tough luck. Geezer is absolutely right. TROLLS! If it isn't necesarily so, but that's what I think. It doesn't assume anything about "everyone," but it assumes plenty about the so-called TruthTeller. I hope GayThailand answers your question about why not take him to Brazil as soon as you can explain what business it is of yours or anybody else.