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It would be an extremely rare individual who doesn't lie about something on occasion. Even that famous gorilla, Koko - the one who has been taught sign language - lies. Can you imagine that? Gorillas can lie. I won't say that every single human on the planet lies, but I would definitely say they constitute the vast majority. Even the story of George Washington and the cherry tree was a lie. Washington's Cherry Tree: Legend or Fact?

Are you kidding? For some of those boys, the older you are the better they like it, especially if they think they can get their hooks into you, become your sole beneficiary, and it's much more likely you will have departed this planet long before someone who is 50.

Actually, I've never understood why so many people try to say they are younger than their actual age. To me, it would make much more sense, if you're going to lie about your age, to say you're older than your actual age. If someone who is actually 60 says he is 50, then I would be thinking he looks like shit for his age. On the other hand, if he says he's 70, I would be thinking he looks great for age - unless of course he is 60 and looks closer to 80 in the first place . . .

That was the impression I got. I agree it is a minor issue. Besides, I'm enjoying the debate. I wonder if people are noticing we are actually capable of debating an issue without the bitch contests that usually appear on certain other boards. I also just realized what may end up being the next debate: farang or falang. Ok. While I'm out, can I come to your place?

I don't have a problem about people asking my age. I tell them the truth. I'm 39 . . .

Yes, I am. I'm not saying they can understand English any better than the average farang can understand Thai. What I'm trying to say is it is the responsibility of both parties to make sure they have been understood. I don't understand why you seem to think it is only the responsibility of the farang. Sorry, I don't agree. Not only do I disagree they would lose an enormous amount of face, I don't even agree they would lose any face. I have never encountered a Thai who has ever had a problem telling me he doesn't understand.

With all the participation so far, you very well might end up winning your own contest.

In general, maybe so. But when it comes to dealing with Thai boys who are trying to sell themselves to farang, who deal and communicate with farang on a regular basis, who are trying to involve themselves with farang, then it's a different story and that increases their share of the responsibility. I don't think a language barrier is much of an excuse when a Thai tells me "yes," when what he should have told me is "I don't understand." If you and I can figure out that the way we do things and interpret things can often be entirely different from the way the Thais do, then I fail to see why anyone would think they can't figure out the same thing. I think they're a lot smarter than that and a lot more capable than many of us give them credit for.

Yes, I understand that and I have no disagreement with that aspect of what you are saying. My disagreement is that your post, the way I'm reading it, is that the problems arise due to cultural differences. You said, "you're effectively promising them that it will happen." I have never experienced any Thais making that kind of interpretation. I believe you have experienced that kind of interpretation or you would have had no reason to say what you did. That's the problem and that's why I think it is the responsibility of both parties to make sure they are fully understood. I don't think it should necessarily be up to the farang to make sure the Thai understands without the Thai being equally responsible for making sure the farang understands what he is expecting. That same kind of problem is something we frequently see posted when a farang tells a bar boy what he wants prior to agreeing to take him off. A common complaint is the boy didn't do whatever it was he agreed to do. If the boy intentionally misled the farang, that's one thing and the farang has a legitimate complaint, but if problems occurred because of misunderstanding each other, then at least one of them failed to make sure he was fully understood. I see the same thing as applying to your post.

I disagree. We farang tend to consider ourselves pretty good at figuring out how Thais interpret what we say and do and seem to feel we should adjust ourselves accordingly. I don't think so. The Thais are just as good at figuring out what we mean. Farang do not hold a monopoly on being savvy or realizing that different cultures and languages can cause misunderstandings of intent. Thais possess the same capabilities. I think the responsibility of making sure the other party clearly understands is a responsibility held by both parties, not solely farang. I think they're a lot smarter than many farang give them credit for.

As far as I'm concerned, that's still far more than I would be interested in paying. The bar and the boys would have to be something really special to get me to so much as set foot in a bar charging those prices, let alone 500 baht if that was the case. Those who want it can have it, but include me out.

How many more times does it need to be said? Check those IDs and make sure of the boy's age. If you don't, you could easily be the next scam victim.

I wonder how many people would be willing to take that chance, especially if they don't have to.

They're charging 500 baht for a drink? One drink for yourself along with a drink for a boy would cost 1000 baht? Well, folks, do as you wish, but as for me, forget it! What are they charging for off fees? Do you know?

I don't know. To me it sounds like just the thing for someone who happens to be catering a formal affair for the Addams Family. If these are the kinds of foods you get in restaurants, I don't even want to try to imagine what is given to prisoners.

George Carlin said, "If I could do that, I'd never leave the house." By the way, do you think the dog penis soup would go well with balut?

He has the benefit of my doubt as far as his guilt or innocence, but I do question his intelligence. I can think of only two reasons why he would have returned to Thailand. One would be that the Russian authorities coerced him. The other would be that he is confident he will not be found guilty. If the second reason is the case, I can't help but think of Kevin Quill, who also thought he would not be found guilty, but look what happened.

Their web site, Pattaya GAY TV , is still there, but as far as I can tell their last video was in April. They also used to post here, with a link, when new videos were placed online. Does anybody know if they are still in operation?

That's the best one yet! Can't wait to try it. The scariest part is it apparently is real! I wonder if fresh tastes better than canned. It's probably more expensive if your soup is made strictly from pedigree and served accompanied by a nice plate of lightly sauteed rat's asshole. Do you realize somebody had to be the first person to come up with the idea of making soup out of dog penises? Waste not, want not I always say. I wonder how many dogs ended up making the ultimate sacrifice and went to that big fire hydrant in the sky to give their all for this delicious sounding gourmet delight. Maybe some of those dogs are still alive, but now barking in a higher voice. You know those lost dog ads that appear every so often? Well, wonder where they went . . . Hey, I've got a great idea for the next time one of the bars hosts a free buffet. A Google search turned up the following: "Time to celebrate! We decided to go for dinner and eat something different... Kenny took us to a restaurant that served dog, which we ate along with other meats that we cooked on our table in a bowl of boiling water. This was a local restaurant - cheap and basic - which brewed its own beer on site. Jim tried the beer and confirmed that it tasted as though it had passed through the dog on its way to us. Dog isn't a very good meat - they serve it with the skin on and there's lots of fat and gristle, but no hair, so they presumably shave it first! One more thing caught Kenny's eye on the menu - he didn't even want to suggest it at first: Dog Penis Soup. The world contains two types of people - those who, when confronted with Dog Penis Soup, will try it, and those who won't. Actually there's probably a third type - those who would have a hissy fit and storm out of the restaurant - but they don't count because they have no balls. I have eaten the dog penis and, let me tell you, there's a reason that fellatio isn't really a big thing in the dog world. It's rubbery and kind of tasteless. Thankfully it was chunks, and not a whole dick. I'm not sure even I could have pulled back the skin and eaten that. Apparently it's supposed to make you strong. You know, "strong". Down there. The rest of the meal passed without further surprise and I returned to my hotel room alone, and never did discover if I would be "stronger" than usual. I suffered no ill effects from the soup, although I had to turn around three times before I got into bed, and I'm still resisting an urge to lick my own balls...." Mr Bison's Journal: Dog Penis Soup

Quality since 1922 . . . I sure wouldn't want any cock soup that wasn't quality cock soup. I'm particular about that kind of quality. I wonder if it was quality before 1922 . . . Unfortunately they are now out of business. This salon used to be located on Pattaya Tai, just outside of Center Condo. But they're gone. I was sorry to see them go. I never got the chance to have them fumigate the steam. One of life's major regrets . . . Another PS: Speaking of things that need translating, anyone besides me remember Crayola Crayons? One of the happy moments of my childhood was when I finally convinced my parents to get me that really large box. I remember one of the colors that kind of intrigued me . . . Raw Umber. I never did figure out just what that was supposed to be. I never used it. I didn't have any idea what umber was and I still don't, but I felt it shouldn't be raw. It ought to have been at least medium rare, but they didn't have any Medium Rare Umber. By the way, purple was always my favorite color to eat . . .

Many farang insist upon speaking English to Thais just as if they are talking with another native English speaker, complete with the speed of the words, slang, figures of speech, idioms, etc. Then they can't figure out why the Thai person didn't understand. Usually the justification I hear for that is the Thai person won't really learn English unless you speak English the way you would with native English speakers. That's fine and seems to work rather well when already in a relationship with a Thai. You become accustomed to being able to tell whether or not your Thai friend is grasping the meaning. Other than that I disagree. The way I see it, when it comes to making sure I am fully understood, I'll use "Thainglish" every time. There are times when it is far more important to be certain you are understood than it is to be giving an English lesson. For me, the only exception to that would be when I am speaking with a Thai I have known a long time, long enough to have become used to what I know he does and does not understand. Another factor that I have observed to be the case: Farang are far more likely to tell a Thai boy he didn't understand than a Thai boy is to tell a farang he didn't understand. Quite often I notice many Thai boys are reluctant to let the farang know they didn't understand. Instead they'll act as if they did understand and then hope for the best.

Proofreading by a native English speaker? What for?

That's a very good "I Don't Get It." I never thought of that before, but you're right. Very often I hear about these things after the event has already occurred. And where do I hear about them? From the English language media. Almost never before, but invariably after. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. Of course, in my case I want to hear about most of these events in advance not to go to them, but so I can be sure to avoid them (and the traffic nightmares that usually are part of them).

I agree with xiandarkthorne. If he had not told you, that's when you would have something to worry about. He's attracted to him. So what? I don't understand why that would upset you. I see plenty of guys I find very attractive every day, but that doesn't mean I would betray an established boyfriend. I believe if your boyfriend was even contemplating cheating on you, then he never would have said anything. But let's not let this topic go off on a tangent just yet. I'm very interested in what others have to say about "No Lie Man."

It's not Thai, but this one has always been one of my favorites: