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  1. Trump's 'shithole' remark makes global headlines – but it doesn't quite translate Some countries struggled to find an appropriate translation for the president’s offensive comments– and others chose to employ the censor’s pencil Trump’s remarks were translated in China as ‘countries that suck’ and Greece’s Ta Nea paper settled on ‘thieving countries’. Photograph: Jim Lo Scalzo/EPA Joanna Walters in New York @Joannawalters13 Fri 12 Jan 2018 16.41 ESTLast modified on Fri 12 Jan 2018 16.43 EST Donald Trump’s description of Haiti, El Salvador and unspecified African countries as “shitholes” in an Oval Office meeting with US senators to discuss immigration on Thursday quickly shot around the world. Trump asked why 'pretty Korean lady' analyst wasn't negotiating with North Korea Read more But by the time the story arrived on screens and front pages in some countries the offensive language had been somewhat lost in translation, while in the more conservative corners of America – Utah, network TV – it was hidden by euphemism. Taiwan’s central news agency led the confusion in Asia by translating “shithole countries” as, in phonetics, “niao bu sheng dan de guo jia”, which means, mysteriously, “countries where birds don’t lay eggs”. In China, the People’s Daily decided it meant “countries that suck”, while Vietnam’s Youth newspaper in Ho Chi Minh City went for “rubbish states”. In Europe, Greece’s daily Ta Nea settled on “thieving countries”. France’s venerable Le Monde did not quite get there with “pays de merde” – shit countries. But a sister French news site, Courrier International, went straight for the jugular with “trou a merde”, or hole of shit. In France, Courrier’s headline declared “pays de merde” to be the word of the day It further felt the need to explain the phrase, in French, which the Guardian re-translates to the best of our ability here: “Literally, shithole means hole of shit, and refers to toilets and, by extension, backwaters, ‘ratholes’.” Courrier’s headline, however, declared “pays de merde” to be the word of the day. The headline in Poland’s liberal daily Gazeta Wyborcza, based in Warsaw, referred to “Donalda Trumpa” slamming “imigrantach z zapudia”, which means immigrants from either shitholes, hellholes or “nowhere”. Meanwhile, in some of the countries Trump insulted, there was no confusion. Digital news site La Pagina in El Salvador referred in its headline to “agujeros de mier…”, which is the equivalent of saying “s…holes”. Advertisement Haiti’s oldest daily newspaper, Le Nouvelliste, ran a coy and cryptic headline in French meaning simply: “The Haitian government condemns Trump’s words.” But in the body of the story itself it dispensed with both modesty and asterisks and referred plainly to “un trou de merde”. Given that Trump didn’t specify which countries in Africa he was referring to, it was tricky for some nations to know how to respond. At least Trump appeared to know that Africa is a continent not a single country, unlike 2008’s vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin. Still. The government of Botswana posted a tweet announcing that it has “enquired from the US Government, through the ambassador, to clarify if Botswana is regarded as a “shithole” country.” It said it viewed “the utterances as highly irresponsible, reprehensible and racist.” In the US, policies differed widely. The Washington Post, which broke the story, wrote shithole in its headline and within the story. But although the Post’s article was syndicated for use in the Salt Lake Tribune, in Utah, word for word, the newspaper in that more conservative patch of America chose to employ a censor’s pencil and doctored the headline and body of the story to read “s---hole”. USA Today used the word within the story but headlined it: “Report: Trump uses crude term while attacking protections for immigrants.” The Associated Press wrote primly: “Trump dismisses Haiti, African countries with vulgarity.” On New York radio station WNYC on Friday morning, host David Greene cautioned listeners sternly: “I want to warn you, according to our sources, he used a word that might offend you,” before clearly enunciating the offending word. The Guardian published the word in full in its headline and story. Network TV news programs were careful. NBC Nightly News repeated the word just once and anchor Lester Holt warned viewers beforehand. CBS and ABC did not use the word. PBS News Hour went with “S-blank-hole countries.” But CNN wrote the word out in full on its chyron, the headline along the bottom of the screen. Friday morning’s GMA breakfast show on ABC had host George Stephanopoulos explaining that the station’s policy was “not to repeat the profanity.” But he then expressed his own dissent, saying: “I think that’s probably a mistake.” Topics https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/12/trump-shithole-countries-lost-in-translation
  2. A frightening image, however construed!
  3. If WJC had mongered a little more war, we might not have had 9/11.
  4. Not even...? (The last Whig.)
  5. Remember that crack (as it were ) from his tenure... "Seems like every time Bill Clinton gets a blow job, the economy goes up!"
  6. Even touching the thought of Her thick ankles is something I could never do.
  7. I think we would elect him again tomorrow, if we could.
  8. Ze ambiguity of yer remark is exquisite.
  9. Term-limited.
  10. God love her, but need one point out the folly of using HRC as an example for anything?
  11. I am as alarmed as you are at current conditions, but at the same time I think detectable trends for the 2018 elections point to the beginnings of a large correction.
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  14. 'Lady, give me a support for my back, and Let the Games Begin as they say!'
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    'SUCK SQUEEZE BURN BLOW'! Oldest (& BEST) carny joke in aero.
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    P.S. @MsGuy and I do shoot each other in the head a lot, but that's just a Southern tradition of affection and neighborliness. Now watch him shoot me again.
  20. That's the European way. We'll see if it's becoming the American way. I don't think so. Events will prove me either very naive, or very American. Or both together. Which will say something!
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  23. That'un. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_earth
  24. Give it time...? Bringing down Nixon took two (at least ) years. The Civil War took five years, more or less. Patience. The Republic is durable. Madison and Washington, and Adams et al., were infinitely wiser -- and cleverer -- than any of US today.
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