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Sorry to read that you've been unwell, ihpguy. Whereabouts on the beach is "Barraca de Miriam #53"? (I looked on Google Maps but could not find it)

"For example, Argentinians seem to use arancel as rate, not tarifas. I have no idea what those are but when I started communicating these are the words I hear. And translation doesn't give anything back." I find what you say very odd indeed. You seem to need to be "spoon-fed" information so I don't know how you expect to meet and negotiate in Spanish with working men in Argentina. You've posted previously about meetings guys in Brazil so I'm surprised that you were able to deal with the greater language barrier of Portuguese. FWIW the Spanish words you mention above mean "tariff", i.e. what they would charge. I also checked Google Translate and this was how the words you asked about are defined there too.

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All I can add is to suggest you do searches on the two popular Argentine sites for the type of guy you like: soytuyo revistaratones You will want a guy who offers 'complete service' (servicio completo) to men. In the detailed profiles, it will say if the guy speaks English. If you find someone attractive who doesn't, you will have to rely on translation apps. I suggest also that when you meet a guy, you have a notebook and pen so you can note down whatever rate/time you agree. It concerns me that you don't speak Spanish. Educated Argentines do speak English but not necessarily fluently; working guys may have only a limited knowledge. I would like to make 2 points as regards your personal safety - and please note that I do like Argentine culture and society: 1. Argentines often try to 'get one over' or cheat each other in little ways. It's not anti-foreigner; it's that they seem to trust only people they've known since childhood and see others as 'fair game'. As a well-off foreigner, and you will be seen as such since you're there on vacation and have money, you'll seem like easy pickings. Please be clear about what you want and precise about what you will pay. Do not display valuables such as an expensive watch or take a smartphone out of your pocket on the street. 2. Do not take a working guy to your hotel room. Go instead to an hotel that rents rooms by the hour; they're known as 'telos'. There are several near Recoleta Cemetery. They are safe and well-run, used by both heterosexual and gay couples. Make sure you leave valuables in your hotel room safe.

Without your comment, Tomcal, I would not have believed that is the same man. I know everyone's taste differs but...In my view, he was immensely attractive when aged 20, a really beautiful young man. But as shown now, in the first photo, I have no interest and I find it hard to credit that he's 24/25 as his face seems much older.

I found Floridarob's observations very interesting. They accord very closely to what 3 other men have told me. About 4 years ago, I met (separately) two extremely goodlooking Cubans in Barcelona, Spain. One had left Cuba with his mother and now has a successful career as a male model. The other had his exit sponsored by an older Spanish businessman and, after living with him for 2 years in Barcelona, had left him as he felt he'd "repaid" the man's generosity and was established in Spain. Both Cubans have returned on vacation to Cuba in the last 12 months. A year ago, I mentioned to both Cubans and to a good and very well-travelled friend that I was thinking of making a trip to Havana for rest and recreation. (To meet SolaceSoul's point above, I'm a fit old man who is a top only and I enjoy spending time with handsome younger men with ripped, muscled bodies who like to please). All 3 warned me that I would have a celibate and unhappy vacation. All 3 said that no-one there would match my 'usual standard' as all the attractive and fit-bodied young men who used to be found in Havana, marketing themselves to visiting foreigners, had relocated to Europe in most cases and to the US in a few cases.

I wonder if you have done a full search here and on the other site (Daddy's or message-forum.net). I posted a lot of info on Buenos Aires in various threads some years ago. I spent a lot of time in the city, on 12 month-long visits over several years, but last visited in 2014. There are saunas, but not with obvious working guys as in Brazil. There are also sex-cinemas, gay bars and clubs and some outdoor cruising areas (some with working guys). Lastly there are professional escorts who advertise online. I didn't go "commercial" after my first visit as I found it easy to pick up handsome, muscled young Argentines. I'm old but lean and fit, and I joined a couple of gyms in the smart areas. As an older man, I attracted attention as a rich foreigner and obviously it pays to be friendly and generous - I was hit on in a supermarket, on the street, in cafes etc by younger men - and routinely I would offer to take them for a drink and, after we'd had some fun, for dinner. I assume you speak Spanish? Argentines use the usual websites and apps. One point to note is that Argentines set great store on dressing well and appropriately. I guess from your screen-name that you're young and so you'll be able to get away with casual clothes. But you may be surprised at how well young Argentines dress to go out: for instance, jeans are for clubbing or high-school students; young men wear smart shirts in restaurants etc.

Thanks for the explanation. I hope you will have good things to report in early January ;-)

Good for you Pauleiro; I hope it goes well. But what does "around Sylvester" mean?

Any concerns about the spread of the Zika virus into Mexico?

Very interesting report. Thank you, Tom. I have a few questions. How safe would you say Merida is, especially late at night? Did you have to be sure to take only certain taxis, use a safe in the house for valuables etc? Are there areas of the city to avoid? And one last question. You wrote "anyone who wanted to earn tips to walk around the top of the oval bar, and about 16 guys did!" - did you mean to add something about their being fully clothed, in brief underwear or totally naked?

Whereabouts do you stay in Sao Paulo, Tomcal? And apartment or hotel?

Will we see her daemonic side?

Well done, TotallyOz. I found it tedious whenever I stumbled onto a thread that contained such discussions.

Thanks for the update and posting the photo. On running a Google Image search, it seems the pic in his gayromeo profile is of a Czech model, Jan Pippinger. Is it your view that Pavel is in the same physical form as the pic of Jan that he's using?

Your mystery headless guy may be interesting but I much prefer his bare-chested blond friend. Any idea who he is? And I feel you're correct in thinking that After all, one of the BelAmi guys from a few years ago used his bedroom skills well and has now become the 'boytoy' of Valentino's business partner

I wonder. If four Brazilian athletes had visited the US and behaved similarly (caused damage, lied to the police etc), how would they have been treated by the American judicial system?

Haha. No, like you, I enjoy having a "second hour date" after dinner and drinks. I'm happy to pick up the restaurant bill but I don't expect to the guy to charge for his time eating. Nor sleeping for that matter: I prefer to sleep alone, unless the guy asks to stay over as he lives far from the city centre. From what you say, it seems I would not be unreasonable in offering 2x the hourly rate for an evening that includes dinner.

Thanks for the quick response. I was working off your conversion of €250=3000 koruna earlier. Now checking online I see 10,000 koruna is the equivalent of €370 or US$420. May I ask you a further question: I understand that an attractive but normal guy asks 3000 koruna, and a particularly handsome guy may ask 5000 koruna, an hour but is it your experience that they will discount the rate for an extended hiring of say 2-3 hours?

I don't know how much work and time is demanded of a guy by a porn studio. I'm not arguing with you but if they get what you state, that's about €800. So what rate would you regard as the appropriate pay by an individual? Let's assume it's a handsome fit-bodied (aka Belami type) young man being hired to escort an older man for the evening, say 3 hours in total.

I'm glad you took the action you did, TotallyOz. I for one would not like to see this site become as littered with vitriolic and demented posts as the "other place".

Thanks for the very interesting update, santiagodc. Which hotel would you recommend? And apart from running out of clean towels for the shower, was there any difficulty in having a number of young men visit you?

Which hotel did you choose for your stay?

I first saw this film 40 years ago. And I went to see a newly restored print of it yesterday. It remains a ravishingly beautiful film of the picaresque adventures of a young man (played by Ryan O'Neal) in search of a fortune.

I'd appreciate some help, please. I'm sorry if I seem confused but I checked back on this thread, and I can't see where Pavel (in the above photo with Felix) is identified. Where does Pavel advertise? And what is his working name?