Canadianbtmguy

I don't think that SP's nightlife has gone stale, but Lagoa has. I've all but abandoned it (whereas I would never consider missing a Tuesday night at Rio's 117). Something has to be done to attract better looking men. There are a lot of huge dicks attached to, well, less than beautiful men. Free entrance for boys with the confidence that it would be made up by more client entrances? A buffet for the boys? Unfortunately, those might attract more low-end boys but not studs. I don't really know what is the solution. 200 seems a little low to me for gozar included. Certainly, I would not be surprised if there were different prices for different boys. Some months ago, there was a handsome muscular blond guy at 117 who would not go below 300. I even offered him 250 on a slow night, but he declined. On the other hand, a guy I used to hire regularly a few years ago approached me around 8:30 on a slow night at 202 when it was clear no further clients were coming and offered +bbk and +gozar for 100. His opportunity cost was slight--what did he have to lose? But in general, though, to gozar, especially when opportunity for further clients remain, does diminish the quality of service and/or increase the effort for the guy to remain hard, so unless it is a guy who feels lucky to just make the 200, it sounds a little low to me.

I believe that those entitled to priority ride free on the metro, but at least in that case, they have a special card. Is that only for the metro?

I would say that's pretty consistent with my experience, but with less concentration at 300 than this would suggest. Especially for the guys with the large pics at the top, (destaques) 400 is not uncommon, and I have seen and occasionally paid more, up to 600 in one case (https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/50970-condomless-with-gps-in-brazil/ ) There is a truly stunning guy in SP who after much (rather odd) conversation gave a price of 1000, which I would have paid, but he was so sketchy that we never ended up meeting (yet). With these prices, I should give the caveat that I only contact guys who at least fit (preferably muscular)are tall or don't mention their height, which could be skewing prices higher. On the other hand, I do have a Brazilian WhatsApp and attempt to converse in Portuguese, which could potentially skew prices lower than someone with a +1 WhatsApp who attempts to speak in English (that's my intention, anyway...) In Rio and SP, bbk is not typically extra (they either do or don't) whereas in BH it was seen as an "extra". BH prices were lower generally, with most in the 200-250 range, although the guys did not seem as hot, so we may not be comparing apples to apples..In Rio and SP far less than half responded to my inquiries so don't be discouraged: there are plenty of fish in the sea...

I'm not really sure where to post this trip report, so I will just put it in the same thread as the last one. It's also maybe of limited use, as I've kind of moved away from the saunas, toward the garotoscomlocal, which is sort of a more idiosyncratic experience than the more standardized experience of the saunas. It also involves the guys from my last trip(s), so in that sense kind of more like a telenovela... This was a couple of weeks ago and the details of the saunas and the new guys from garotoscomlocal are already a bit hazy, so maybe I will start with the familiar and hopefully it will jog my memory on some of the new ones. I will refer to these guys without telling the whole previous story since a lot of it is in previous threads in this topic, and some also mentioned in a topic I started called GPs who ask for financial help. So, the 40 year old guy was back from his stint in Orlando as one of my best friend's 88 year-old father's caregivers. Kind of novel to be sure, but it actually worked out pretty well. My friend said that he was very attentive and sweet to his father, as well as taking him on walks in the wheelchair, way more so the "professional" caregivers who treat him like a vegetable do. It was not a perfect experience, there was a lot of friction with the other caregivers who are all women from the same country that he felt ganged up against him, and once when they changed the schedule at the last minute, preventing him from going to church in portugese he had a kind of meltdown that my friend says was kind of scary. Also, as much a the Brazilian dreams of living in America, my friend could have done a better job of like getting him a bicycle and a US SIM card so that he could really go around town, so it was at times a little boring from Joao. He was only given 30 days in the US (see earlier posts) and my friend wanted him to overstay but he didn't want to break the rules. So he was back in SP, I kind of always have to say I'm just going to be there a day, because otherwise he likes to hang out a lot and he's quite high-energy as well as impatient, and so he really only speaks super-slow, which is what I need to understand Portugese, so hanging out with him involves a lot of talking but very little understanding. I did watch a video of him and my friend's father and I did feel positive toward him. Next up, the super-hot country boy who went to Martinique was back from Martinique. He was in Rio because a straight couple he was friends with were visiting. At one point he had asked if he could stay overnight on a particular night and also had floated the idea of coming over while they were there but it didn't work out and I had kind of forgot about the overnight. So, on the day when we did have firm plans for him to come over at 12, around 11:45 I was getting rid of my guy (which I confess was not even from garotocomlocal, but grindr, which needs further discussion below...) and there are all these texts from the guy that he was out in front but didnt know which apartment. Once the other guy was gone (still before 12) he comes up...with his suitcase. Normally no problem, except a guy from SP had come to Rio (saying he had other things to do too but I think mostly to make money from me..) and I had put him off the night before and I had plans for him to come over at 1:30! Luckily the tall guy was tired from staying up late drinking with his friends so around 1, I encourage him to take a nap. So, I meet the SP guy at the Hotel Atlantic across the street. I thought it was funny. Like I was sneaking off from my "mistress" (I am married 24 years to a wonderful guy, believe it or not) to hook up with my boyfriend... To finish up with the tall guy (it had almost been as long since we had sex as me and my husband...) actually totally unpromted ( I had maybe made some jokes about it on earlier days) after we went to bed, fucked me (bbk!) Regrettably it was in the dark, so I kind of missed the best part (and for the purient, luckily I was still clean from stopping by at the 202.) Also, when we first met he had been so kissy-kissy and this was beijo-free. So, I had told him just one night because it was maybe saturday or sunday, and Monday(202) and Tuesday(117) and my departure wednesday were upcoming, but he really didn't want to leave and after the first day when we spent it together (after dinner we went to this beach kiosk where his friend from home was the manager and they all danced this sort of line dancing to popular songs, that they all seemed to know. After that, it turned unseasonably hot and he would still do some afternoon activity (who knows maybe he wasnt meeting clients?) and at night he would go to the beach kiosk, telling me I could meet him there, but thus leaving me plenty of time for my lurid activities So that worked out well. He stayed until the night before I had to leave. He really didn't want to go home, I mean it's Rio or some podunk town an hour away from a podunk city. I got him to talk about his future (he turns 30 soon). He was married for 2 years to a daughter of a real estate developer in BH, and there he had worked showing the apartments. He said to do the same thing in the podunk city, he would have to rent an apartment there (he lives with his mother in the podunk town a mile away and he said it would take him 6 months to develop clients and even then he still might not sell anything. True, true. Better to learn French (he had a halting start in Martinique)which he figured would take also 6 months and he would be in a better position. He seemed to forget and then he would have to take the six months in France to develop the clients, perhaps also without selling anything. And even more fatal to his plan, he seemed to assume (really without even thinking about it) that just by learning French, he could carry out this (not under the table) activity im France. I tried to gently question/tell him this but at that point he started talking fast again and so I'm not really sure what was said.... Another interesting thing is that at the beach kiosk he referred derisively to a nearby woman as a prostitute. If you recall, I had met him at the 117 and he also had carried out an unsuccessful trip to Arabia and Europe (I really don't know why it failed except he doesn't speak English...) But it did kind of gave me a small insight into why he hangs out with me (which remains a mystery, as the last 2 or 3 times we hung out I hadnt given him any money. I think being a GP is inconsistent with his self image. I have maybe twice given him domestic mileage awards and after his failed european trip when he was living at Orly airport, I gave him a Paris-Sao award. On this trip, I gave him his bus ticket home (about 250 reais) and put 300 in his pocket (since we did have sex...) for snacks on the way. OK now the guy who I met at 117 and also in Paris (which led to its own thread... https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/52314-rates-for-meeting-brazilian-gps-outside-brazil/) He too was back from his sojurn. Unlike the others he totally accepts being a GP, he is moving his wife/partner back to their native Salvador while he goes back to Paris for the Olympics. He does speak English quite well and it seems--despite not being nearly as beautiful as the tall guy--his trip seems to have been a roaring success. (also has an XXXL dick whereas tall guy is a "mere" Incidentally, anyone who is in Salvador before July 15 heres your chance to get for 300 reais what will cost you 200 euros in Paris. He also has realistic plans of what he will do with the money. He wants to buy a house not in the favela (the one in the favela he had made with his own hands, he said. And also his father has a small grocery store and he wants to expand it, at least in part because they can then get better prices on the merchandise which will allow them to charge less and attract more clients. His face is not the handsomest, but his body is gorgeous (sculpted in a way the tall guy's is not) the XXXL dick and he is just super friendly and nice, laughing and joking constantly in a very infectious way) And he is great in sex (again tall guy, not so) He was quite busy getting ready to move but he made time for us to meet twice. The first time was a sort of hard sex that maybe Parisians (especially those who call a Black man) expect. It was quite good but not what we had done pre-Paris. I joked about it afterwards and the second time was pure pleasure devagarzinho. Not only has he accepted being a GP, but he is really a great one. I still have more to go (the guy who came from SP to see/make money from me) as well as the new guys but the plane is landing (SFO...not GIG) and I'm not sure when Ill have time to continue...

I hate to be hot (making it all the more difficult to explain my frequent trips to a country that is almost entirely tropical or subtropical). So several years ago I would add at least one city from the south to the usual Rio-SP axis. Curitiba, Porto Alegre, Florianapolis I found really disapponting with the saunas, the garotoscomlocal without much of anything special of touristic value. Foz do Iguazu is, of course spectacular. And high-quality restaurants even cheaper than SP. Worse even were some small towns like Gramado and Campos do Jordao, (The historic towns of Minas Gerais were nice and my favorite restaurant of the whole country, Glouton, is there, but it is hotter there than SP. I happened to have some pillow talk on the subject with a GP who was basically a horny slutty gay guy (probably a bottom in his leisure time but forced into servitude as a top because of his XL cock) He spoke of propositioning men at work, including taxi drivers (he was a good looking young guy so I'm sure his success rate would be higher than mine.) But he said you can kind of steer the conversation to whether they have a wife or girlfriend and go from there. No claim of having a wife or complaining about her is a green light. (I neglected to ask what the next question would be though (Are you horny?? Safado/con tesao?) I asked don't you fear getting beat up and he said that a guy would not want to lose his job, and more so that it's not very stigmatized, almost a compliment. YMMV (considerably!) And unless your target is very friendly, it seems hard to conduct this without some portugese.

For Brazilian internal flights, whatever you do, do not wait until the last minute. A month or two in advance, Rio-Sao can be around $30 each way. (Often cheaper on Brazil based sites vs US-based sites). But with the Gol/Latam/Azul triopoly in place, these rise to hundreds of dollars at that last minute. Recently when I was there, a determined Rio-Sao flyer could have bought GIG-GRU-DFW-AUS for less than $300, tossed away the GRU-DFW-AUS and saved about $200 on the Brazilian domestic flight, which was approaching $500. Rio-SCL(Chile) and back SCL-SAO was also cheaper than RIO-SAO). Another trick that typically works only going into Sao Paulo but not leaving it, is to buy a ticket that connects in SAO that can be much cheaper than flying to SAO alone. I had only about a week's advance and Rio-Sao had already advanced to about $200, but RIO-SAO-SSA was still only around $60. (This rarely works originating in SAO because SAO has direct flights to nearly everywhere and routing from SAO through Rio is not offered). If it does become last-minute, keep in mind that AA has Gol awards for 7500 (good availability) and BA has Latam for 6000 Avios (only spotty availability) For getting back and forth between RIO and SAO at the last minute, also keep in mind the onibus, which is quite comfortable. I also had a nice social experience (no, no, not that kind of experience, although I'm sure that can happen too) For flights to and from Brazil, the calculus is quite different, as fares seem to rise little, if at all, at the last minute. Indeed, a few months ago AA was offering up its cherished GIG-MIA monopoly for around $300 only for the last few days before departure. For those with more time than money, it can make sense to buy a cheap US domestic ticket to a city that has cheap fares to Brazil, which are often to cities other than Rio or Sao Paulo. Some current examples LAX-SAO (AA often, others less frequently), SFO-CNF (AA), MIA-SSA or CNF, (AA) AUS-RIO or SAO (All). Also, in some cases (but not others) there can be little advantage to buying round trip. The LAX and SFO fares are not available as return only, whereas the MIA and AUS are. This opens up the possibility of segment-tossing, although if you have status or miles with a particular carrier, it is not worth the risk. A Brazilian friend wanted to go to Orlando and was going to pay $500 for an awful connection on Avianca, I steered him to a sub-$300 fare on LATAM GRU-MCO(-AUS) I have not seen stopovers (>24 hours) allowed, which is pretty typical for international routes. But not have I seen even the slightest open jaws allowed, which typically are permitted. I don't know why they are so strict in the Brazil context. But, depending on the fare you may not lose much by buying 2 one-ways

Very good point. In fact, one guy did write back and say that he is no longer working as a boy. I probably won't stop looking at the small ones because my favorite guy in SP is there. And I do like the idea of hiring guys for whom it is not their life, they are just doing it a little on the side. Speaking of just doing it a little on the side, yesterday was Brazilian valentines day and I met a guy (sauna not online) who had stopped in because he wanted to take his wife out to dinner but he stopped in after work because he needed to make the money first. Talk about waiting til the last minute Back to garotocomlocal ads, I noticed today that SP has hit 1100 whereas Rio had fallen below 400. With SP's population not even double Rio's, a surprising ratio.

I just spent a long weekend in SP (during which I never even made it to Lagoa) so if anyone would like my recommendation on SP garotocomlocal tops who bbk just let me know. With over 1000 listings in SP it’s a pretty time consuming process (compared to some other escort sites garotocomlocal makes it unusually time consuming as it doesn’t even have the guys fill in their basic stats) I’m looking for tall guys (min 1.80) so I end up contacting a lot of guys that if only it had these sort of fill in fields. In many ways, it seems surprising the low percentage of guys who even respond to the initial contact (long before any talk of condoms) I have a Brazilian number and a friendly WhatsApp pic, yet I would say less than 20% reply to the initial inquiry (a bit more among the “destaque” ads that pay a lot for the higher-up position): “Olá, boa noite. Tudo bem? Estou no SP, vi seu anúncio e me interessei. Por favor, deixe-me saber se Vc está disponível hoje/amanhã, bem como seu caché. obrigado!” incidentally if anyone has some good recommendations for Rio i have far fewer (as does garotoscomlocal with only 400something compared to SP 1000+) and would really welcome some recommendations. when I was here in the other seasons, I would stay in Rio only Monday through Wednesday and then escape to the not as hot temperatures and lower humidity of SP. But now I have the next 10 days here in Rio. (A bit unluckily,unseasonable temperatures as high as summer around 30 every day are predicted throughout the period, although it is true, the humidity is less) I should mention that Really the best guy That I have met in the last year in terms of pure sex, I was lucky to meet him a couple of times in Rio before he rather predictably ran off to Europe (London), where, as of a few days ago he remains, but if anyone finds themself looking for an amazing Brazilian top in London (no doubt at more than the 350 reais I was lucky to get him at) lmk

What time of the night does it get going? I'm assuming it's not an early evening thing like the GP saunas?

OK so I really don't get this only fans. I signed up, thinking there would be a membership fee, but there wasn't but, I'm at the home screen and where's the there there? I did a search for brasileiro and for garoto and no results found. it's not like I need to contact the guy whose video I saw who has the X account. How to I go about finding Brasilian porn stars (or content makers do they call them) and approaching them? I feel like a techno-fuddyduddy 🤣

Do many guys balk at this? I think they might, thinking you were a time waster? I have about 5 questions I like to ask on WhatsApp and as it is, some seem to be losing their patience (although true, if they are impatient, can be useful to know...)

Haha. You remind me of that joke where the man asks the woman if she would sleep with him for a million dollars, and she replies, well, I suppose yes. Then he asks her if he would sleep with her for a hundred dollars and she indignantly replies, What kind of woman do you think I am?! He say, Madam, that we have already established; now we are just quibbling over the price. 🤣 I guess I should've said can I assume they are available as GPs in the same ballpark (even if at the top end of the ballpark) as advertisers on garotocomlocal (i.e., <600 reais) I'm not interested in going to Brazil and paying him 1000USD for instance It certainly could be a scam, but I have also found the guys on garotocomlocal to not be the savviest businessmen in the sense that quite a high number do not initially respond, and then respond sporadically. But in SP (not Rio) I think it is beyond doubt that the guys on garotocomlocal are (to many tastes) handsomer/sexier than the guys at Lagoa. I guess I'm wondering, before I join, if Onlyfans is another treasure trove. (I guess I should just shell out and try it...I suppose I am put off a bit by the name, as if I am joining a fan site, like of a Korean boy band or something....) kkkk (btw, kkkk is Brazilian for LOL)

I'm not a member of Onlyfans (yet) but I came across a guy who has a link to his onlyfans on his video. He is speaking Portugese (and has a very handsome face, a smiley attitude, a super thich cock, and a nice body, albeit probably on the short side). In other words, if I shell out for a membership (I didnt even check the price) am I likely to be able to arrange an in person meeting? I googled his name with garotocomlocal and didn't get anything, (although of course he may go by a different name there.) ps He is also on X (Twitter) so could be contacted there as well.

I think this is a little overstated. I certainly think that scammers, liars and thieves are overrepresented among those selling sex, but like most jobs, there is still some diversity of attitudes toward the job. There are some that genuinely seek to provide honest work for honest pay. There are both the extremely ambitious who want to become rich as escorts and/or escort-related scamming/lying/thieving and others with little ambition beyond earning a little extra money or even putting food on the table for their families. The guy that I described in the beginning post of the thread is fairly ambitious (just to get out of his country town requires some ambition) but I do have fairly high confidence in his story about his foray to europe being a bust. (I turned on the video of the whatsapp well past midnight his time and he indeed was in the bathroom at Orly airport because power outlets in European airports are indeed notoriously rare.) To give an update on him, he is back from Martinique to Brazil; I stalled on the award ticket and he made it to Rio somehow (he lives in rural northern Sao Paolo state so Rio is not obviously on his way home, so not sure if he is working in Rio or what) To give a brief update on the guy taking care of my friend's 88-year-old father in Orlando, things continue to go well, albeit with a few signs of strain. He's really doing a great job, but that causes some strain with the lazy other caretakers who don't like being made to look bad. Also, I told my friend that he need to get Joao phone service and a bicycle so he could be independent, but my friend did neither and is currently out of town on business. So Joao ends up spending most of his time in the apartment even when another caregiver is on duty (he lives there, unlike them). Plus, it has been so hot. So he hasn't really been living his dream of living in America because he has just been spending a lot of time inside the apartment. I would say that he is somewhat ambitious in that he wants to live in America, but at least he says he does not aspire to be rich, just a peaceful life (although he does seem open to a marriage not really based on love). And whatever his ambition, he is really prepared to work hard and honestly to achieve it. True, he may be an exception, but not so rare as some may think.

One practical method of discouraging requests that I started on my most recent trip is, with my Brazilian SIM I got a second WhatsApp account (the second one WhatsApp Business) and with WHatsApp people can see if you are online and also if you have read your messages. Just don't open your WhatsApp Business and they can tell that not only have you not read their messages, but that you have not even been online. If you have one that you want to talk to even between trips you can just give your regular account to them.

I realized I never gave the ending of this story. It actually hasn’t ended, but at least I can give an update. So it worked out fine with him buying the rx’s (a few glitches with bank that took a lot of time.) maybe a day before he was due to fly from Paris to São Paulo he announced he had just landed in Martinique, that he had taken the offer of a friend to work at a friend’s restaurant there in exchange for room and board, mostly because he wasn’t ready to return to his small town after such a short time (with his tail between his legs, no less). Kind of made sense. After about a month, he wanted to come back to Brazil, I got his ticket and he came back, with the rx so it basically worked out. This all happened months ago. Since I’m on a long flight back home (not from Brasil…) I’ll continue on. So, once back in São Paulo you can either fly or take a 6 hour bus ride to a small city, from which he lives an hour away. He asked me about buying him a flight, and it was only 150 reais, 3 days away. I thought he would be eager to get home to his mother, who he is very close to, but he was fine with it. So, I find him physically stunning, among the very best I have met there, but I don’t super enjoy spending time with him, maybe not even 3 days if it was free, and certainly not if I had to pay. The fact that I speak portugese-sprinkled Spanish actually ends up inhibiting any real communication (I haven’t yet learned how to do the “maxi” conversational translator) and so rather lazily, I suppose, I blather on in what can’t even really be called portuñol, and him in not even slowed down or spanicized portugese (as some Brazilians will do for me); as such, understanding probably about 20% of each other, whereas if it were probably some other more distant language pair we’d be forced to translate. He’s not super high energy and that’s true in sex too. He totally kisses, and cuddles all night and he’ll do some sex, it’s hard to put my finger on why, but it’s just boring. He’s naturally hairy and he shaves his body which comes off as sort of a metaphor, he’s so handsome, just not fuckin sexy, if you know what I mean… So anyway, I said we would have the 3 days til the flight with the middle one like an “Independence Day”, that I would get him his own room for the middle night (I phrased it as he would be so sick of me after 3 days…) and we could each do our own thing that day. For me, I was kind of leery of accumulating 3 days at an unspoken rate and then negotiating at the end (some people would be totally fine with that, for me it’s like a nightmare scenario 🙀) So I think maybe I gave him 500 for the first day, which he seemed fine with. I forget if it was then, or on the last day, I gave him some of my PrEP and some info on PrEP on demand/2-1-1 and told him it was totally his decision but I would love to feel him without the condom (which he had fumbled with) (much discussed in this threadhttps://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/50970-condomless-with-gps-in-brazil/ so please not here). We kinda kept in touch that day, he came over for a little nap and a snack of these cookies I had that he likes, he said he went to a fun fair with some friends he has in SP, and I went to Lagoa. I was glad to see him the next morning when he moved back in, we went to that district downtown where they sell those counterfeit name brand clothes (he bought a few things for himself as well as a Chinese street lunch and I bought him nothing more than an ice cream) it was pretty boring. Later we went home for some lesbian bed death cuddling (I really shouldn’t be so critical…it’s just so vexing, and I mean he can get a hardon at the drop of a hat…One time he’s taking a shower while I was in the bathroom brushing my teeth and it’s not he’s even touching himself and he’s totally hard.) next morning he had to leave kind of early for his flight, I didn’t give him any money at all, he warmly said goodbye, thanked me again for the tickets (I guess it’s true that the Paris-Sao Paulo ticket had great value to him, although he largely offset it for me with the rx) He’s kind of an enigma. But I mean I guess he was once married to a woman and that didn’t work out (I couldn’t really understand what he said about why😂). He’s kind of a simple country boy I guess, he said people say he’s as smart as a burro (although when I went to visit him in his city there was a situation with one of his friends that I thought very deftly handled). I asked him once like what did he want in life, love with a man, love with a woman, and I think (to the extent he understood my question and I understood his response…) he said he just wanted some excitement in his life. Sexually, (again I would probably know more if we actually understood each others conversations…) I really don’t know where he is. One thing that can hardly be missed is his close relationship with his mother, who I guess raised him alone after his father took off when she became pregnant. He’s 29 and she really looks no older than 45 (which I guess is possible) and very fit. I have seen videos of them dancing, which by uptight North American standards are shhhhhockingly oedipal (dirty dancing with your mother and bending her over while making pumping motions while slapping her ass is, um, something I’ve never done with my mother, but maybe we are the ones who are frigid and boring). Finishing up, I actually wrote about him on a different thread when I saw him for a day during my April trip.https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/47718-s%C3%A3o-paulo-sophomore-and-freshman-for-rio/?do=findComment&comment=387954 I bought him a 7500 mile AA award, (much offset by his paying my SmartFit arrears with his pix) to go from his town a day in São Paulo to see me and then to Belem, from which he had a way to get back to Martinique. I guess as unappealing as his situation was there, it beats sitting around his mothers house an hour away from an airport which has 3 flights a day to SP and a single “long haul” to Rio (of course he may be exaggerating or even lying about the undesirability of his situation in Martinique.) And sadly, he may be heading for an end there,as a few days ago he wrote me (it doesn’t translate well) that he was in some sort of fight, surprising because I have never seen him anything but calm Tapa no rosto não aceito, poderia ter me ofendido mais n me tocado, n fiz nada pq infelizmente estou no msm teto e ele poderia me mata dormindo ou chamado a polícia e tbm minha passagem de volta esta com ele Well, let’s hope for the best. Coincidentally, moving to the present, during the flight (AF has free access to WhatsApp) he wrote asking if he could have another of those domestic awards (what, does he think they grow on trees?) from Belem, I guess he is coming home from Martinique. So with an hour left in flight, I’ll also give an update on a guy who I also mentioned in my April trip report. He just turned 40, still has washboard abs and super sexy though nowhere near the striking physical specimen I describe above. (At least 6 months ago after I hired him a couple times at Lagoa he invited me to the movies, and then he kinda got a crush on me—I guess—and followed me to Europe at great expense of his own.) He has dreamed of America, he has a US flag tattooed on his bicep. He was able to get a US visa (he has about 120k reais in the bank) and his father owns a 6 story apartment building, so he is in a much different financial position than the other guy, whose mother is a domestica. He has this really appealing sweet caring side (I tend to be kind of lax about tying my shoe and I can’t even say how many times, some without me even knowing, he bends down to tie my shoes for example) Sometime I guess I had joked that in Brazil he has to fuck old men, whereas in the US he could just change their diaper. It so happens that my best friend’s 88 year old father is in that situation, and, well, long story short, he was on the plane to Orlando last Wednesday. He kind of flubbed it at the border and they only gave him 30 days, but it is working out—at least as of now—amazingly. My best friend says he’s the hooker with the heart of gold. His father has regressed to a point where he speaks the language of his childhood, which his nurses don’t understand anyway, so it actually doesn’t matter that the Brazilian guy doesn’t speak English. It seems he is really doing an amazing job (so far) far superior to the existing caregivers(although I’ve warned him they are bound to turn against him for making them look lazy) I really don’t know how it’s an improvement over his life in São Paulo (granted I don’t think he envisions it as a lifelong career, but maybe a year while he learns English). I had warned him that there were people competing at the low end of the wage scale who are escaping violence and deep poverty, so, for them, even a crappy life in the US beats what they leave behind, and his paulista life was nothing like that, but at least as of day 5, my friend is planning to pay to request to extend the Brazilians stay, so we may get a nice story out of this. Maybe I should start a charity to “retool” aging (or reluctant) GPs kkkk Thank you!

Is it ok to mention particular ads, since I did reveal a lot about him and his ad has his face? In any case, I just messaged you his name on rentmen

So, after I sent it I had a moment of melancholy that such a beautiful thing as sex and turned it into x² +2x +3. But I was an economics major, and I really do see the importance of incentives in affecting behavior. And I do hate the possibility of ambiguity and on the spot negotiation. Anyway, he responded that he was busy that day but that we should spend the afternoon together the next day. He contacted me the next morning, and I said I would leave my place around 1, he wrote me around 1, I said I was leaving soon, would be there before 2, a little while later he postponed me to 2:30 (presumably he had a client, but that's exactly what I said I was fine with). He was typically friendly, he said things were going well, that once he advertised in hunqz, not just rentmen, things really took off, the french guys were into a lot of really hard core stuff like fisting. The surprising (and disappointing) thing was that our sex became kind of harder too. When I described meeting in Brazil, I described it as lovemaking: https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/47718-são-paulo-sophomore-and-freshman-for-rio/?do=findComment&comment=387955 Whereas, in Paris, we fucked. I mean it was pretty good, about hour and a half, him hard the whole time, but really the difference was the kissing. Such an eager kisser in Rio and with his eyes open, a month later he more just tolerated my kisses than really got into them. It was a marked difference, although there could be many explanations; the question is if the passionate ones are gone for good. Alas, the condoms were still there (surely many hardcore Parisians look askance at that). I will probably see him again when I return to Paris at the end of my trip. As far as my proposal though, it seemed to work fine. He kind of wrapped it up after about an hour and a quarter (I don't know if he was tired or had someone else coming.) That would have only been about 900 reais but I did leave him the full 200 euros, I'm not quite sure why...I guess it was still a darn good experience although at the same time disappointing as it wasn't a great one like the ones in Brazil

So, I just sent this as I'm boarding...Hey, I was just going to let you know when I'll be free so you can keep it in mind, but you don't need to decide now. I arrive tomorrow (Tuesday) around 9, so I should be free from say 11 to around 14. The next day (Wednesday) I'll be free even longer maybe from 10 to 16. What I was thinking to bridge the gap between the Brazilian price and the prix a la francaise is a sort of compromise....I don't know how busy you are, so consider me a low-priority, second-class client If you get a French cash cow feel free to postpone or cancel me, so that you are only sacrificing time, but not money to meet me. Even when you are with me feel free to answer your messages, leave early, whatever. In Brazil we were doing 300 reais/hr with idea that (if you want) it could be several hours. The rates in Barcelona are about 150eur/hour, maybe a little higher in Paris, I would imagine. So how's 500reais/hr, again with the expectation it would be several hours so that in the end it would be a lower hourly, but could add up to more in the end, again on the proviso that you can just meet me whenever you have "spare time"? If not this week, I will back May 16. And finally, if it doesn't work out here I will be back in Rio June 10

Well, actually <blush> I do like to fuck 2 or 3 hours...or more <double blush> In Brazil, I wouldn't mind if he (or the other guy I used the same "incentive plan" on went, say 5 hours for 1500 reais. I cant say that happened, I wore them out <blush again> One other guy from garotocomlocal who was no spring chicken, and not really a beauty either, (I was a little disappointed when he arrived) but a great fuck and I'd have to say played me to a draw after about 4 hours. He stopped, but another maybe 10 min and I wouldve had to call "uncle". That was on the session price of 300, but most guys if they are getting paid by the session I think are going to wrap it up at no more than an hour. True, most is not all....😆

On Wednesday I will be in Paris, as is one of the guys I met on my last trip to Rio (I describe him my last rip report https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/47718-são-paulo-sophomore-and-freshman-for-rio/page/2/#comments as the guy I had over on Sun/Mon/Tues of my last week. There at my place I paid him 300$R/hour with the idea that we would go multiple hours (I'm not a wham bam thank you man). To my recollection he stayed something like 2.5h, 1.5h, and 2.5h on those nights. In Paris he seems to be charging 200eur (over 1000 reais), which seems a bit above market for Barcelona (150eur incalls), although it's been 9 months since I was in BCN and also Paris may be higher. So what should I offer him? I can think of several analyses. First, I should mention that I have a trip to Brazil in 6 weeks, and I'm not sure that I would even want one hour at 200 eur. Probably I would take one hour but no more. In some ways it depends on the opportunity cost of his time there. If he is succeeding and/or just loving being in Paris his opportunity cost could be quite high. I will tell him that I am very flexible as to the time and that he should feel free to "relegate me to low demand times" as it were, so as not to deplace any full-price Frenchies. On the other hand, his opportunity cost could be quite low. A really stunning GP also mentioned in that post (the very tall one) went to Europe, failed spectacularly (maybe because the tall guy spoke no other language whereas the guy in Paris is English-fluent) and ended up sleeping for several days in Orly airport until I rescued him with a mileage ticket back to Brazil. Sleeping at Orly, he would have been all too happy to have a client for even 300 reais/hour (and, if he is to be believed, even accepted--twice--a room and board for work exchange at a restaurant in Martinique, just to avoid having to sit around his mother's house in a podunk town in the interior). So, I am thinking of offering a compromise at 500 reais/hour, again with the understanding that several hours is ideal and that I am completely flexible as to cancellations and reschedulings (as well as I am largely available in the low-demand morning and early afternoon). By the hour, he would make only half his Parisian rate, but with, say, a 2.5 hour session 2 days in a row, he could come out with 500 eur, all by the time Parisians are having their déjeuner. Sound fair?

I wanted to acknowledge the accuracy of the first paragraph that while both Truvada and Descovy, are approved for PrEP generally, only Truvada is approved for on-demand/2-1-1, and I did not know that. That being said, my PrEP prescriber said it was not approved "yet" and he did not see any reason why this very similar medication would not be eventually approved; he said that if someone was going to have sex and did not have Truvada it would not be an inappropriate choice. (Grated the GP and my situation was not exactly that: the doctor's example was that someone was going to have sex regardless; ours was that he would provided that he had PrEP) As to the third paragraph, I'm not really sure of the harm of such a revelation. To him: is there any doubt that patients regularly reveal taking drugs that are not only not-ANVISA-approval but illegal? To me: dispensing non-ANVISA approved medications without a pharmacy license? 🤣

A member wrote to me and asked about my experiences finding tops who bareback, whether they take offense and whether they upcharge. I thought about just answering him back in a message, but I figure that others have similar questions. And I also thought about just covering the topic in my trip report. Instead, acknowledging that there are strong feelings on both sides of the topic, I thought it best to segregate the information with a trigger warning included. I am reminded of a song, I don’t know the artist, wherein he sings if you don’t like gay marriage, then don’t get gay married. Similarly, if you don’t like condomless sex, don’t do it. And please, close this thread now and read about things that you do like. But— and I think this is pretty good life advice generally— don’t yuck someone else’s yum. I will endeavor to make the post dispassionate and not salacious. So a bit of background on my perspective that informs the experiences I had. I’m definitely not a strict never-condomer. It’s just one factor that I have found is positively correlated with hot experiences. It’s one of a few things I’ve found to be thus correlated, such as big dick, good attitude and attraction (tall, hairy, square-jawed masculine face). So if a lot of these other things are present, I may try to get the guy to forgo the condoms, but it’s not a deal breaker if he won’t. Have I had amazing mind blowing sex with condoms? Yes absolutely. Have I had numbingly boring sex without them? Yes absolutely. So, in the sauna, it’s really most important on the margin, when I like the guy somewhat, but he’s not totally my type--there are quite a few guys falling into that category-- it’s gonna make a difference. As for the guys on the Internet, there are so many of them, at least in Rio and São Paulo, it’s hard to narrow it down, and that’s one way to do so. Still, that being said, There have been a couple of guys from the Internet that I found spectacular, at least in pictures, that I was interested to hire, even though I knew they intended to use condoms. So why does it matter to me? I can think of three main reasons offhand. First., I really love both slow sex and positions in which it can be harder for the top to maintain his erection (I pretty much hate pounding doggy style). With the kind of sex I like condoms typically compound the problem by reducing the friction further. Second, I really love the feel of the head going in and out, and tight condoms especially kind of smush the ridge ring of the head into the shaft (least of the three reasons). Finally, the psychological: I don’t want a barrier between me and the guy I find so hot; I love cum and I confess that I find the moment when the guy shoots inside of me to be, well, among my favorite things in life. Now for some estimations, keeping in mind that my data collection and compilation may be contaminated by all sorts of biases. I would say that condomless sex is at its most prevalent, a bit over half, in free Grindr hookups in the gayberhoods of Rio (copa/ipanema) and SP (consolacao). I have been to a non-GP sauna Only once, but I would speculate that it would be just as high or even higher there. Of the garotocomlocal ads, I would say a little over a third in Rio and SP (at one time I had considered going to BH,at one time I had considered going to BH, where it seemed willingness was much less) I do prescreen for guys who kiss and who like sexo devagarzinho (slow) and I would guess that these guys, who are more likely to be gay and integrated in the gay community, are more likely to be on PrEP and more likely to be ok with condomless. Some do upcharge, but this is pretty rare (less than a quarter of those who are ok with condomless expect a supplement). In the saunas I would say it falls a bit further, with maybe a quarter OK with condomless. There may be some social stigma among the other garotos in doing so. I was very disappointed that 202 was lowering the time limit on rooms to 30 minutes on all nights, previously the limit only on free nights (it was 40 otherwise) it’s not such a big deal to pay the 50 reais overage, but it sets the standard among the GPs how long a session should be, and I fear that the saunas are devolving into fora for low quality, almost furtive sex, with less than stellar boys, short sessions (who can have amazing sex in 29 minutes?) and yes, condom use. I guess you could say I''m the kind of guy who wants it all, and some quick low-quality sex with a guy, no matter how hot, just isn't enough. Among guys in the sauna who are selling their big cocks and not much else going for them, I would think that a higher percentage of these would be straight, less likely to picture themselves as someone who should take PrEP and hence least likely all to bareback. I’m not sure that’s my experience, though. and If anything, it may be the ones with both huge dicks and great bodies who are the ones least likely to agree in the sauna, perhaps because if they did agree, they could earn more on the Internet. There are few, by the way, who noticeably take offense at the suggestion, although I can’t really say what is in their mind. Maybe 1 in 40 will make a snarky comment. So these are my lines: Bem, deixe eu te contar o que eu gosto de saber se nossos estilos são compatíveis? Sou passivo, gosto de penetração devagarzinho, pelo menos no início. Para mim beijar é uma das coisas mais importantes e gosto de beijos profundos e apaixonados. Resumindo, tipo de sexo com namorado romântico…. If they come back cool with that (a few say it’s not their style), then I send: Bem, acho que a última coisa que gosto como namorado é que eu faço PreP, vc também?… bareback é legal o faz so com camesinha? Already previous to this, I had asked their price in the first message, so that may be tamping down on upcharging. Similarly, in the sauna, although after going over this, I do not ask their price, (grave mistake in my view) but rather just as we start toward reception, as if I had almost forgotten, I say, oh, 200 reais, sim? I think it would take nerves of Steel for the garoto to risk killing the deal at that point, And I would say well less than 5% balk (arguing for 250). I’m not really into the guy, like if he short or it’s a slow or if it’s early or late, 150 will suffice. One guy, who I have written of elsewhere, who was 6'4" and so far out of the league of his competition I really didn't know what to say, I did say 250 (although in fact he was a country boy, as it turned out, and probably wouldve been fine, too, at 200). There are 2 very white guys around in 117/202 who refuse R200, but that is super rare. FYI, a garoto at Lagoa told me that at least 90% of the guys there are fine with 150. On the Internet, my favorite guy, now away in London, was charging only 350 in SP. I feel like I don’t quite have enough data points for this, but I feel that even in the last six months, the price for Internet guys continue to rise with a few exceeding 500. It was with one of these, in fact, charging 600, pretty much as high as it goes, that i had a very interesting experience involving PReP. He uses those cursed disappearing messages on WhatsApp, so I can’t recount the conversation with precision, but my recollection, when I asked him my typical question (above) about PrEP He expressed interest in it, that he had thought about taking it, but had not yet, and that he had never had sex with a guy without a condom but he would like to someday. This guy was smoking hot in the pictures, (although as it turned out, he had put on a bit of weight) And I was keen to turn someday into today. I explained to him about PrEP on demand (2-1-1) regimen) and sent him a brief article and explanation in Portuguese from the New York City department of health. I offered to give him the PrEP, Which I have in individually wrapped and labeled doses, so that he would know he was taking Descovy. He also asked if, when he arrived, I could share with him my most recent HIV and STI results, which I have online. I offered to bring it to him in person, would’ve had the advantage of being able screen him in advance to ensure I was attracted to him, but he suggested I send it over via the Uber package service, which I had never used before. I read the requirements for that service, and medicines were excluded, so I put them in with a small pack of cookies although I doubt the driver would’ve cared in the end.. It took a little handholding, but not much, and later that afternoon he came over. At first, I was a little disappointed that he was not quite as good as his pictures, but he was undoubtedly still attractive. He was also not hugely hung, but he was an ardent kisser, fucked a generous hour in my preferred positions and was very smiley with a great attitude. Very enthusiastic afterward as well, said it was amazing and when we do it again.? Of course, there was no way to separate his general eagerness for his presumed eagerness for another 600 reais. I might’ve called him again for 300, but you know how it is, so many men, so little time. Another interesting set of experiences happened last year when I had a medical condition that I couldn’t—or at least wasn’t supposed to--get fucked. In the worst of it, I canceled a trip there, but then I decided making out could still be fun, so then what I would say I was looking for was passionate kissing and not penetration itself, but for the guy to rub his dick against my ass as if he was going to penetrate me. I don’t know what you want to call it, but I had an extraordinarily high percentage of condomless “peek-ins” Very few guys put on a condom for this, and similarly, very few did it while steering well clear of the hole. I wonder if some took it as a challenge. Fairly few progressed to full on fucking, but some did, and exactly the kind of slow fucking I love, with me, fairly genuinely but conflicted, saying things like não, but also só lento (only slow). Now that the condition is healed, I kinda wonder if I should have the guts to keep the schtick going, saying I don’t want penetration when I’m all about it😂 Lastly, looking forward to my next visit, a mention of 2 guys I met in my last trip, that I described in my trip report posted under another thread. The first (Sun/Mon/Tues) guy has a nice big and thick dick in a standard way, and as such, the pleasure of taking it raw is the normally (pretty high) benefit, and, in fact the last time we saw each other he did give it to me about a minute raw before covering it up for a much longer period. The raw part was on a couch, before we moved to the bed, and at one point he took off the condom, after maybe an hour and 5 different positions, and I suggested we move back to the couch with a kind of a wink, wink, (that we should not only continue on the couch, but in the previous manner we had been on the couch....)but alas he put on another condom and continued that way. He is heading to Paris to work and it will be interesting to find out what effect that has on him (prevalence of PrEP in France is quite high and Parisian clients may be quite demanding) The second guy Tues/Wed has a remarkably thick dick and was older (maybe mid or even late 30s) and he could stay hard in doggy style, kind of hard in missionary but not other positions that, unlike doggy, I like. So to get him bareback and/or viagra could be an abnormally high benefit. Even though he kissed beautifully for hours, I do want him to be able to stay hard in positions that I like that give the top less control and less friction (which problem, of course the condom compounds). I haven't asked him about PrEP beyond if he takes it, which he said no. The first guy going to Paris is a full time escort, whereas this one has a regular job in a gym (he sent me a video the other day of him teaching an aerobics class) so I don't know if either are getting pressure from other clients to take PreP. I may, in fact, see the first one in Paris, but it will probably be a couple of months before I am back to Brazil...

By the way, the OP’s impetus to avoid cheap clients by skipping tuesday at 117 in favor of 202 was a tragic mistake, and I would go so far to say it could account for his lack of preference for the Cidade Maravilhosa. Thinking about it, it is true, why would anyone but low-end GPs find it appealing to go on a day when clients are saving 50 reais on a room? Armchair psychologists? Because come they do, in some cases from far and wide. In fact, both the second guy I just spoke about as well as the 6’5” guy at the beginning of the post are residents of São Paulo city and rural São Paulo state, respectively. Just a bit of speculation, but Tuesdays at 117 by their fame, may attract guys from out of town, who are not comfortable working in their own city yet want to give it a try. Anyway, the São Paulo visitor was also a dancer in a Tuesday show, His first appearance are sort of traditional strip, but second one more of a very masculine fitness routine, which he began and ended in a pair of shorts. I had earlier proposed that we go for a second program after his show, but by that time it was almost 10, and the first guy, with whom I still had a date to come over seem to be getting impatient. I proposed to the second guy That he come over the following day during the day and he enthusiastically agreed. I waited for the first guy (to shower and change) near the reception, and to my surprise, in the 10 or 15 minutes I was waiting, it appeared that the second guy did not go upstairs with anyone. I would’ve thought that show would have been very effective advertising, but maybe others did not see his charm to the extent I do, I wonder if it has anything to do with his being quite dark black. With all that excitement, it would be easy to gloss over my night once I got home with the first guy. Fact, he was amazing too! More fervent kisses, more rock hard dick, and even a glorious taste of his uncovered dick before he later covered it up. He was going to be going out of town the next day, Which was my last day, And I really wanted to invite him to sleepover, despite some largely lackluster experiences with that a few months ago, but I knew he had a partner and a two-year-old son, so it probably wasn’t in the offing anyway. It’s so happens that he will be going to Paris in May and we will overlap for a few days there, although we already joked about whether at that point he would be denominated in euros or reais. And so my last day, the second guy came over around 5pm, much later than I had intended (thereby ruining going to 202) and somewhat limiting our time together, because my Airbnb host had agreed to let me stay until 8 really needed to head to the airport by 9. Still, I didn’t cry too many tears for missing 202. Another beautiful make out session, true, with some rather unsatisfactory doggy style toward the end. I have been thinking about it, (maybe overthinking it…) and both these 2 guys of the last few days (who together turned a forgettable trip memorable) both excelled at kissing. The first one could do positions where you could kiss while fucking (nirvana!) whereas with the second one it was basically either or (there’s a little room to kiss with doggy but unless you can turn your head far to the back, it’s pretty limited. And with the second one I’d have to say I choose the kissing. So to get your ass plowed, you can almost think of it like some other service like, say, having your back adjusted by a chiropractor or a manicure, or surgery maybe. But basically paying someone to kiss you for hours on end seems, at least initially, kind of creepy and pathetic. I hate to yuck my own yum, so I have to think about it a little more. I did experience it as more than just buying a service, I experienced it as both of them really liking it and being into it, but I wholeheartedly concede it’s probably that these guys are great at what they do, which includes a big dose of acting. It’s something to think about but so far has not dissuaded me from looking forward to seeing both again

Part 2 It being Easter weekend, I had to take an early morning Sunday flight back to Rio rather than my preferred Wednesday afternoon. I felt tired from the flight and defeated from the guy the night before. I had basically 3 1/2 days left. But the show must go on…after a fairly good garotocomlocal, I headed to 117 on Easter night. It was predictably slow, there was one guy with a beautiful body (a very small waist and very broad shoulders by my definition) that I had seen around. Unsolicited by even eye contact he came over to talk to me, and spoke very thoughtfully slow, with the result that I was actually understanding most of the conversation (by comparison the very tall guy I spoke of earlier we celebrated when I largely understood a 30 second snipet). He was nice and sweet, but somehow I thought he would be a boring fuck. He did start to kiss me, and even when he confirmed, as I suspected, that he wouldn’t do condomless (not that night anyway) [another teaser], and said, not very confidently that he was hung around 20, I thought at least I would like kissing him for half an hour. After nearly an hour of beautiful eye-contact kissing, the latter half combined with many of my favorite positions which many guys have trouble staying hard for, ( his 20+ cm, very thick, irrepressibly hard) I proposed we continue at my place. I offered 300/hour with the idea that he would stay multiple hours until I wore him out. He stayed 2 1/2 for really lovely wonderful lovemaking, if I dare call it that. Monday I had a guy I’ve known for years and is reliably good come over. He was supposed to come at 3 and stay several hours, but he didn’t show up til almost 6, and not only did I want to see last nights guy again, but there was also a guy from garotocomlocal (or actually, I think it was prazerbrasil, another site) Disastrous, must’ve been on drugs, didn’t want to kiss, could get no semblance of an erection, got dizzy getting up from bed. Regrettably these sites only accept positive reviews, rendering the reviews pointless. I don’t know if there is a spot on this site to promote the good and even more importantly, warn of the bad. The guy from the previous night was ready earlier but when I delayed he went to workout and I think we were both a little tired by the time he came over. Also with all this beautiful kissing I wonder if I am bringing a sort of lesbian bed death upon myself. But still a lovely experience. Stayed just over an hour. The next day being Tuesday, of course I wanted to have my cake and eat it too, so we made plans for him to come over after the 117. When it rains it pours. As soon as I arrived shortly after 5, I saw a sort of new and improved version of him (and he was pretty good to start with!) The new one was taller, with a more handsome face, albeit maybe mid-30s rather than mid-20s (which I’m fine with.) He ignored several glances that other GPs would’ve jumped on. Finally I approached him as much as he approached me. He was in the category of the maybe 10% of guys I don’t even ask their endowment or if they bbk, so good that whatever it may be they’re serving up, I want it. And what a fine meal he was serving. Normally when I go over the time limit on the room I argue nicely (typically they waive it if only because they know me) This one I was just glad I was only charged one extra period. It’s hard to say who was the best kisser, they both were so fervent and passionate. The first guy kisses with his eyes open and smiles sometimes which makes for an amazing (sense of?) connection. The second one, although he kisses with his eyes closed, if your lips should stray from his, he immediately chases them down. The first guy has a very large and thick “standard” dick, that pretty much stays rock hard without any friction, while the second one has an extraordinarily thick one with this like quarter inch thick foreskin that seems rather coarse, calloused almost, not smooth and supple. Maybe because he is older or maybe just because the circulatory system is just not set up to deliver to the genitals the large volume of blood that would be required, his hardon is rather “fragile” and he seemed to be able to get it fairly hard only for the all-4s position (my least favorite, with nothing to look at but the pillow) and he would loose it in other positions we tried. My solution: Viagra and PreP, so I will have to work on these next trip. So that was Tuesday at the 117, wait for a room was surprisingly brief. (The previous Tuesday was an even stranger situation where there were only a few hot guys, all of whom white, leaving the guys looking for hot guys of any race competing with those seeking hot white guys, with the result that those few were run ragged, but unprecedentedly in my recollection, no wait for a room at any point.)