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2. So around 8.30 pm, I reached Boyztown and first looked into Toy Boys. They only had three boys in total, all in boxers, two were talking to each other, and one standing at the door greeting customers. Since there were no customers yet and the mamasan in question was no where to be seen, I couldn't come in to ignore him so I left and decided to visit one of the soil's beer bars. 
The three beer bars currently in operation in Boyztown are Pikky, Serene and Panorama, situated right next to each other and in that order (from Pattayasaisong Road entrance). Both Panorama and Serene had virtually no customers at the time, while Pikky, the smallest one - just a quarter the size of Panorama, already had quite a few. It was not hard to see why: they had around 10 twinky boys, many of whom I found cute while the other bars had only one or two staffers on duty.
So I sat at the Pikky bar, their front table, to watch the soi traffic, which was typically light on a Monday night. Ordered my drink and invited two boys over, one Thai and one Lao, both of whom I already knew from the apps. 
Thai boy used to work in Winner Boy bar (the one I mentioned in the Winner Boy bar thread a few weeks ago: he came to work and stripped down to his undies just to pull up again to go with a customer). He's really skinny and small built, gay and bottom-only. So just to tease him, I asked if customers ever asked him to top. There was one before Covid, a Chinese woman, who was into small-boy looking types. He told me, he didn't want to go because he knew he wouldn't be able to perform, but mamasan kept pressuring him, saying the customer would pay as much as 10K. So he went and of course, couldn't get it up (he also admitted he has a rather small "tool"), and hence, had to use his fingers (showing me his fingers while telling this - they don't look like they are great tools either). Probably because of that, he got "only" 5000 instead of the promised 10K.
At that point, Boyz Boyz Boyz started their boy parade, which was put on pause for the last two years. Thai boy said they just restarted yesterday and it was not just BBB business. It's more like Pride parade and all the bars in the soi pooled their talents (the banner-carrier drag queen is actually Castro's staff and there were more than 30 boy participants), but the boys in Pikky stayed out of it because they were shy.

Then there was a smart-dressing elderly farang in wheelchair, who wheeled himself in. Now it's Lao boy's turn, who got an off from that customer, volunteered to share his experience. He said the guy was paralyzed from waist down and didn't take off his pants. The boy just worked second base up, nipple playing, kissing and all. Having heard something I probably shouldn't have, I look at that farang with admiration, thinking: when I reach his age and if I ever were in a similarly unfortunate situation, would I still have it in me to keep going and enjoy life like that? To the gentleman himself and others, it was probably a patronizing thought, but it was inspiring to me. 
Lost in my thoughts for a while, until Lao boy brought me back to reality, asking "Are you okay?"
Although Thai boy's look appeals more to me, I kinda connected better with Lao boy (also gay and bottom vers), who is more observant and also speaks better English. While I was there, another farang customer left with three  boys in tow. I watched them walking away and Lao boy, as if he could read my thoughts, said: It's not like that. He took care of them during Covid times. He said with feeling.
To lighten the mood, I asked would they be okay if I off them both at the same time. Both nodded. Then I added: but you have to do each other, I'm just there to watch. Lao boy was like "What???" then said "I can't but he (Thai boy) can f*ck me". They discussed this in Thai then Thai boy burst out laughing "No way!!!"
Speaking of threesome, in my experience, straight guys often have little problem with this arrangement as to them, it's just work (like you are asked to do a gay porn together). Straight boys I know back in Vietnam certain don't. Some even offer "a discount" if you take their "brother" as well. On the other hand, gay boys who are "sisters" with each other might mind. My previous offers for threesome was turned down twice in Pattaya (one in Toy Boy and another in Power Boy). In each case, both boys wanted to go with me but separately. You can off him today, off me tomorrow. They wouldn't do it if their "sister" is around. It's too weird, they said.
Enough joke. I didn't intend to off anyone anyway after my session with Kiwi earlier. Gave each boy 200 and mamasan 100 as tips. My Pikky soft drink was 80B, boy drink was 200 each (they get to keep 100), off fee is 300 (boys get to keep 100), so an off means boy can earn at least 1700 from drink, off fee and his ST fee. I thinks it's fair. For comparisons, Lao boy told me Toy Boys charges 500 off fee (boys also get to keep 100). Before Covid, a Viet boy I offed from Luck Boys in Bangkok told me he earned some from boy drink but nothing from the off fee (or bar fine).
On my way out, I walked past Toy Boys again. They now had 5 boys (one got offed and went with his customer to Pikky) but still no sight of the mamasan I'm so eager to run into again. Maybe another time. I took the bus baht back to Jomtien Complex.
(to be continued)

As mentioned in my first post here, I'm a long-time follower of this forum (going back around 15 years, on and off) but rarely posted anything because from the great fountain of information you guys shared, I don't think I have anything new to add. Once I started sharing (just three weeks ago), I found that I do and should have done it many years ago Although Jason1975 says I should write trip reports, I'm not really up to a full report so I just share tidbits of my Thailand trips and occasionally take a chance to give you some info about Vietnam's scene too since I'm mainly based in Vietnam.
I gonna start this tidbit thread with stories about a cheating mamasan in Toy Boys.
This week, I came directly to Pattaya from the Bangkok airport (using Nam taxi, 1000B, they gave me detailed instructions of how to find the driver: Arrival Hall, walk outside and find Entrance No 3, then look for a car plated XXYY). Staying in AIYAREE PLACE just across street from Jomtien Complex (spacious room with a double and also a single bed, which I can use for massage, a separated space with room apparatus, arm chairs and table, perfect for working remotely, swimming pool and small gym, included breakfast buffet and also 400B hotel credit for lunch/dinner in the in-house restaurant with a pretty good selection of Western and Thai food, all of these for just 1100B/night, also no problem with guests to the room)
Chatted with a boy on Blued for a massage deal. If I'm gonna meet a guy on app, I prefer if he can do massage and if I can just book for massage only first (in case the guy shows up and looks totally different from his picture). This guy seems professional with his itemized price list (shown in the picture). Some members may know him too (the one who keeps promoting his own laundry service all the time and I find it quite cute.

He showed up, and just one look at him (small-built, slim fit, smooth skin, boyish look), I know I'm gonna follow up with some after-massage services. He's indeed professional, bringing everything (water-proof tarp, towel, a selection of massage oils, relaxing music, he just forgot candles hehe). He also speaks decent English (used to have some foreign boyfriends from China and Japan), so we chatted a lot during the session.
It turns out he used to work in Toy Boys in Boyztown about 4 years ago. My first visit of the bar many years ago left quite a bad taste in my mouth. 
I was greeted by this mamasan, who is Chinese-Vietnamese and can speak Mandarin, Vietnamese, Thai and English. It felt so good to talk to someone in my mother tongue in a foreign bar, so I sought advice from him about everything.
It was my last night in Pattaya and I liked 2 boys so decided (a first for me) to off both of them. Mamasan presented me with a handwritten bill including my drink, boy drinks, bar fines, boy's tips (1500 each) and also a charge for bar's short-time room (400 per boy). He told me he collected the boy's tips in advance just for safety and that even though I don't use the short time room at the bar, they still charge for it as a rule. I guess I was really naive at the time and probably trusted the bastard too much because he's Vietnamese too. To think that I even gave him a decent tip for all of his "troubles"!
Only when I was back to my hotel and talked more with the boys who spoke rather limited English, I found out that the short-time charges were totally bullshit. If I didn't leave town the next day, I would come back to the bar and raise the issue with the management. The next time I set foot in the bar (6 months later), I simply ignored that mamasan who recognized me instantly, refusing to speak to him even for seating or bill paying (kinda passive-agressively you must think). I became friend with another mamasan from Cambodia and had no problems since then.
So back to my massage, I asked Kiwi (the boy's nickname) why he quit, and he said he didn't like the working enviroment there and especially the mamasan, who cheated him out of his money so many times. Of course, it was the same guy. Turns out he cheated the customers and he cheated the boys too. 
Kiwi told me that many times that mamasan dealt with a customer (especially someone new to town) 2000 for ST and collected the money in advance but told the boy that the customer paid 1500 so the boy got back 1400 (minus his cut of 100). Kiwi said he never thought about asking the customers how much money they actually gave the mamasan. He only found out about this almost one year later, when a customer showed him a picture of the same handwritten bill I got, and funny enough, including the same bogus short-time room charge I had.
Kiwi also said even though he gave the mamasan his standard 100 cut every time, that one still tried to steer customers away from him (because some other boys would give mamasan 200 or even 300 cut), like telling the customer who wants a bottom that Kiwi only tops (FYI he can do both but prefer bottom position), or even saying that you need to be careful because he's kinda bad boy etc. 
Kiwi, too, only found out about this through customer feedback, and his story brought back another bad memory. 
That night, when I pointed to one of the two boys I later offed, who was standing quietly like a church mouse in a corner, Mamasan did say that boy only goes with lady customers. But because he was totally my type, I waived him in and later found out he's gay and can bottom (another red flag I should've paid attention to but I was too excited to have my first threesome ever at that point). Back at the hotel, I asked him why Mamasan said he only goes with ladies, he said he didn't know and he never went with women customers before.
Back again to my massage. Job done, I'm happy with the massage, after services and also the enlightening conversation we had, and gave him 2000 even though he only asked for 1500 tops.
Also because of this, I decided to go to Boyztown that evening and visit Toy Boys again (I walked past them a couple of weeks ago and saw they just re-opened with that cheating mamasan standing at the door), just so I have a chance to blow him off again hehe.
(to be continued)

Day 12
Soon after they left  I realized that today is supposed to be a DAY for me as I hoped I will be able , after multi year waiting,  to off Handsome Cambodian  ( HC )from Jupiter, dream of mine for a good while. So by my own choice I switched  today to  “ wait for the evening “ mode.
Going for breakfast I notice Suwit waiting  already in front of  the shop , still closed that early , so grabbed him and we went for breakfast at BayView, it was actually nice , breezy morning.
As he knew , today I’m returning to Bangkok,  we kissed good bye  , literally in middle of the soi as neither of us is that shy. Then I went to the room to pack and at noon on the dot I left for Jomtien bus station to catch my 1 pm bus for which I bought ticket yesterday. I took motorsai for 50 baht.
Bus was full. Heavy traffic and it took 2 hours to get to Swampy so in the hotel I was close to 4 p.m.
You know what was on my mind all that time.
My hotel now for next 3 nights will be Furama Exclusive Sathorn, in sub soi close to both soi 3 where Baan Silom is and to Chong Nonsi station. After Raya,  it's becoming my most favorite hotel in Silom area , big rooms with balconies and breakfast included, no problems with visitors, there are always    some taxis, motorsais and tuktuks waiting outside and there’s cheap  local restaurant across the soi.  Breakfast is buffet type, not very sophisticated but varied and adequate enough with few Asian dishes so our guys may have choice they prefer.
As weekend was looming I went to XOne to exchange money, stocked there with 100 baht notes – I like them because they gladly provide few thousands in low denominations on request. I picked up glasses I ordered right after arrival, had banana pancake in soi where New Twilight is, then went to the room to spruce up and went to realize hopefully my dream and mission. But first stop  to get courage was at Hot Male downstairs, reader and anddy were there, tiny Lao was happy to see me again, always nice , enjoyable and not expensive time there.
After  9 , with pulse probably beating at 80 / my normal is 50-54 /  I marched to Jupter.
Not many people inside which was surprising considering it’s Friday but it was still early, artic cold and music volume at idiotic level but for now those were none of my problems. Drink ordered and I start looking around where my HC is. Nowhere, soon boys parade started, nope.
But I noticed that S, whom I offed from NewTwilight on my 3rd night moved to Jupiter now, during parade I slipped him 100 baht in exchange for smile. Offable material but not for price he wanted then and definitely not tonight for obvious reason.
 Very rarely I ask for mamasan’s help but there was no choice. Due to level of noise conversation , mouth to ear was like that  : “ is HC working today? “ , ‘ do you want boy?”, screaming ‘ is HC working today? “ , ‘’ which boy you want ?”, then he decided to ask another one to help   me . Answer was freezing ‘ not working today” but before I got heart attack or something soothing “ I can call him” came. 100 baht changed hands, in few minutes he came that HC will be here in 20 minutes so my pulse went down to normal I guess and I even feel that noise and cold is somewhat more bearable.
Finally he got there roughly at start of show , recognized me in the instant , after all we talked last weekend and quite possibly mamasan described that  “KFC looking idiot is asking for you “ or something. I asked if he wants to stay for the show, yes,  so we stay,  in meantime I secured long time ( finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ) , asked for expected compensation ( top of the line but not more that I was willing to fork out, I lost my head over him but some brain was preserved in the neck I guess and I had my limit ) so all looked good but he was sitting bit stiff as to avoid any casual body contact , arms crossed at times. Did not object my hand on his knee but  he did not bother with any touches , not that I expected much but I still be happy with even pat on the back.
After show it got better because we left, no problem walking, not hungry , we just bought some drinks at 7/11, he is talkative and English is good so my spirit went up. In the room no problem whatsoever , shower together OK,  body still lean and muscular,  all the same when I got struck seeing him  first time exercising with Art in front of BBB. So he took good care of himself during covid. Protested when  I told him he is so handsome, “I’m not handsome “ but when I told him ‘ for me you are “ , which in fact it is what I think,  he was happy. So thing were going very well  but they stopped when we moved to long time part.
“ Don’t do this’,  ‘ I don’t like this “, “ I’m tired and want to sleep “ etc.
 So I felt like cold water bucket was emptied over me as my romantic night  dreamed about for 3 or 4 years  turned to turf war over pillow and duvet.
 I was devastated  but not entirely surprised and thus not upset, only disappointed that dream of my own creation shattered , I  just gave up on being close . To his credit  in the morning he was not in rush at all, to a point that we missed breakfast in hotel   and converted himself to be more accessible.
So day 12 which I hoped will be day of days this trip  finished with me hanging my head low.
And is not HC fault, it’s mine as I hoped for much more based on my dreams.  
Now, few weeks since , I clearly see I was overreacting  , actually one of our members who knows HC brought me to my senses soon after saying rightly ‘finally you got him long time ! “
 But that morning, day after,  I felt dramatically disappointed.
I presented this story to readers to act as warning – we should not  build any hopes  beyond what we can reasonably expect in standard, after all commercial,  relationships.
 Result of this drama of my own creation is that yes , I will be still looking for HC whenever I’ll be in BKK, I will off him LT if he will be willing and I’d even consider him as trip companion.
 What I will not do is ask mamasan to call him and in fact any boy over, no,  I must see him eye to eye  like all other guys in bars. If there’s smile, it’s a deal, smile absent , next please. Day 12 is over.   
 

Sure, hen I have 3 guys we just do laundry and then pray. 

Relax, we are not talking millions here.
All is matter of budgeting and prioritizing.
Often here we read restaurant recommendation I,d not even dare to enter to dine in and reports of staying in hotels I,m not entertaining thought of staying in either. And when we enter arithmetic this stuff balances to a great degree.
 
 
 

To be able to find 3 willing and offable boys is equally impressive lol

I always thought california kings or oversized beds in some hotel suites were irrelevant for most people but now i see the practical use of this lol

Repeated last night if somebody really needs to know. One participant from first time dismissed, suitable replacement hired, all 3 still sleeping scandalous at 9 in the morning
 
 
 
 

This morning I was hugging tightly my guy, silky smooth and all and was thinking to myself what a wonderful world in which long times possible and affordable

Not app related as, guy was from massage, and the same of Casanova remark but have doubtfully funny story  from this morning I,m bit ashamed to tell but I will type with closed eyes and it should do the trick of covering my shame. 
For some reason and out of blue I passed wind ( see my red face), not particularly loud or fragrant but my guy obviously noticed and said : ,, it must be your another boyfriend calling you"

Sort of, hope to host two of that trio again tonight. 
 

It seems that after being called KFC,  now  next round  of abuse was thrown at me by well known to me massage guy during our session. 
He saw me marching with 3 boys last night and suggested I should change my name to Casanova. Jealousy at work I guess
 
 
 

Just applied for my thai pass today. 
Got the QR code after about 4 hours.

Just applied for my thai pass today. 
Got the QR code after about 4 hours.

Just applied for my thai pass today. 
Got the QR code after about 4 hours.