March 6, 20224 yr Why is it that our preferred sauna scene developed in Brazil, and almost only there? Why is it that apparently Colombia is the next best country in South America for gay sexcapades, and not another country? If it's levels of poverty, I don't think these two stand out. If it's tourism, what about Peru Argentina Chile? if it's liberalism/openess, again - these two should be just as traditional, conservative/Catholic as the rest of the continent. [Unlike Thailand, where sex in general is apparently taboo-less.] So, IF I'm right in my observation that these two countries stand out, why is that?
March 6, 20224 yr Active Members 54 minutes ago, 12is12 said: these two countries stand out, why is that? The men.
March 6, 20224 yr Author ??? What do you mean? And why do men in these two countries more promiscuous ?
March 6, 20224 yr Active Members 4 minutes ago, 12is12 said: What do you mean? I guess I wasn't addressing the promiscuity part of your question but these two countries stand out, why is that?
March 6, 20224 yr Active Members 1 hour ago, 12is12 said: So, IF I'm right in my observation that these two countries stand out, why is that? I have no idea! I do know that is we were going to look for one monocausal explanation we would be unwise. It must be particular constellations of cultural, racial, and geographical features. Let me brainstorm some possibilities... Brazil and Colombia have a very similar ethnic mix, perhaps is something in the gens? Both cultures enjoy dolce far niente and carpe diem Both countries are closer to the North Hemisphere and traveling there is shorter and cheaper, local sex industry have more dollars and euros coming in Because of circumstantial currency exchange disparities, Argentina is very affordable right now. However, the South Cone (Argentina, Uruguay, Chile) has been historically expensive compared to the rest of the region. Cultural influence from the original peoples in the Paraná and Amazon systems, mostly Guaraníes. I understand they were more accepting of certain homosexual behaviors. Both Brazil and Colombia are cultures that look up to Europe and the USA in a lower degree than South Cone countries, and at the same time have more deep connections with their own pre Colombian origines. Tropical/subtropical weather sets our hormones on fire all year long, with no seasonal variations I wish I knew more abut national history of Colombia and Brazil, because legal regulations and separation of church and state may also be factors to consider.
March 6, 20224 yr Author I agree about the avoiding monocausality. Current exchange rates are immaterial since we are dealing with a years/decades-long phenomena. Looking up to the US less, leads them to more promiscuity? Regional hormones should affect neighboring countreis as well. it's not only about homosexuality acceptance; it's also about gay-for-pay acceptance. I was astounded when I learned that girlfriends/wives of GPs know about their profession.
March 6, 20224 yr Active Members 1 hour ago, 12is12 said: o men in these two countries more promiscuous Latbear4blk gave a good try answer and I do hope somebody can explain what makes a difference with these two countries. I do know that the best gay sex I've ever had has been in Brazil with straight men including the most passionate kissing.(The French should take lessons) Why are they so free with their sexuality? Maybe your question will bring an answer...we can hope.
March 8, 20224 yr Active Members Sua pergunta não tem uma resposta. Why are American music, movies, culture, etc. exported worldwide but not imported at anywhere close to the same scale? If you head out to DJ Station in Bangkok 1) the place is named DJ Station rather than something in Thai and 2) for the most part, music with English lyrics will be played even though most of the people there don’t speak English well enough to understand what is being said. As for importing, well, I watched Squid Games last year. That was pretty good. Some, actually, lots of things don’t have an explanation. For what it is worth, I am thankful that absurdly hot Brazilian guys that are two-thirds my age are able to put on an Oscar worthy performance and/or actually like doing gay stuff with me but I have given up trying to understand the phenomenon. There is no explanation. That’s just the way it is. It is of course though the reason that I’ll be going back to 🇧🇷 at the end of this month.
March 8, 20224 yr I think it's a bit random. Once somewhere gets known for something, people then go to there for it and it becomes self-reinforcing. Since more people go, it gets better and then more people go. It might well initially have to do with the laxity of enforcement of morality laws that enable some places to 'break out' that way. A version of economic clustering, perhaps.
March 8, 20224 yr Active Members On 3/6/2022 at 10:29 AM, 12is12 said: I agree about the avoiding monocausality. Current exchange rates are immaterial since we are dealing with a years/decades-long phenomena. Looking up to the US less, leads them to more promiscuity? Regional hormones should affect neighboring countreis as well. it's not only about homosexuality acceptance; it's also about gay-for-pay acceptance. I was astounded when I learned that girlfriends/wives of GPs know about their profession. You seem to embrace criticism of monocausal explanation, and then immediately engage in mono-refutation. I made up a new word! Ultimately, I agree with @Novarunner. In everything related to sex, rather than explaining and classifying we should be fond of describing and exploring.
March 11, 20224 yr after visiting Brazil 4+ times a year for 21 consecutive years, i still can’t come up with a clear cut reason(s)! i just am thankful that Brazil has been there during my “formative” years! LOL
March 13, 20224 yr Active Members I was reading this article, and was reminded of this thread. The article is an interview in Spanish to Carlos Alvarez Nazareno, an Afro-Uruguayan/Argentine who leads an agency in the Argentine federal government and has just designated representative of the region to a UN agency. Besides being Black, he is gay and one of the few men who got legally married to his husband through the Courts, right before gay marriage became law of the land. Of course, given his background, intersectionality comes up in the conversation. I am translating an excerpt where they are talking about how media treats Blackness, and they refer to the attitude towards homosexuality in African religions, contrasted to European ones: "Q: Can we speak of an erasure of the Afro in Argentina? A: The national project was explicitly built looking at White Europe and wanting to remove from that construction the contribution and presence of Afro-descendants and native peoples. We cannot allow racist structures and thoughts to continue to be repeated. We have to generate actions that are truly transformative, through the educational system with content, making Afro contributions visible. That teachers have tools for when there is a racist practice or joke. State support is also needed for the participation of Afro-descendants in the media. Q: On TV they usually appear in police stories, with special emphasis on religions... A: Yes, but I always claim that Afro-matrix religions, at least in Argentina, are much more respectful of sexual diversity than any other type of religion. In almost all the cults -Umbanda, Batuque, Candomblé- people of sexual minorities are part of the rituals, to the point of being referents in community terms. You see the Catholics, Muslims, Jews... and they have a hard time accepting us. Protestants not to mention, with their conversion therapies." The whole interview is interesting, but this excerpt is directly and specifically related to this thread. Perhaps, one more variable to factor in the OP's quest is the sex and sexual diversity affirmative mindset of Afro religions. I am not sure about Colombia, but the influence is strong in most of Brazil.
April 10, 20224 yr Colombian sociologist, national treasure and trans-woman and activist, Brigitte Batiste has some interesting takes on how cultures in Colombia and indigenous Amazonian cultures have evolved and influenced countries like Brazil and Colombia — not specifically related to sex, but lots of correlations can be made... much of her writing is in Spanish, but a good dive. Great mini exhibit of hers at el mamm in medellin.
August 15, 20224 yr Active Members Popular Post I just noticed this interesting thread. Let me offer a few ideas on the subject. It seems to me that our impressions of gay promiscuity are (unavoidably since we don't have a census) quite imprecise and tilted heavily toward the places "our crowd" are familiar with and have developed a reputation. I lived in a country in SE Asia that never gets our attention but where there was a massive amount of public cruising as well as sex saunas, bars, and "massage parlors." It was just not on our radar. The original question was: Quote "Why is it that our preferred sauna scene developed in Brazil, and almost only there?" My multi-causal hypothesis: You need a critical mass of (1) a huge urban population; (2) enough potential GPs (who are not too poor and can afford cell phones but not so middle class that they would never consider becoming rentboys); and (3) yet enough local clients who are sufficiently affluent to sustain the sauna in the low season No other country on the continent comes close to Brazil in terms of the size of its urban population. Brazil = 187 million! Argentina = 42 million Colombia = 41 million Peru = 26 million Others far fewer Yet, the 22 million people of the São Paulo metro area can only support one strong GP sauna (occasionally two). The 14 million living in metro Rio, along with tourists, can only support two or three GP saunas. And of course even big Brazilian cities like Porto Alegre (4.5 million metro) struggle to support one GP sauna these days. Thus, the actual number of sufficiently needy, attractive, willing GPs — and sufficiently affluent, horny clients — seems to be so few as a percentage (while they loom large in our selective vision) that an enormous population base of millions seems required to make the magic work. So my suggestion is that Brazil's alchemy is its dozen cities that hit the sweet spot of a huge population base that is neither too poor nor too wealthy. (Of course, along with that sweet spot comes the likelihood of local authorities who can be persuaded to look the other way.) So why not Argentina? Maybe only Buenos Aires has the critical mass of population, and it does have some GP bordellos, although, as far as I know, nothing as good as Brazil. Colombia does have the GP scene in establishments in populous Bogota. I can more or less rule out other countries using my rough theory but this post is too long already. Not claiming to have all the answers, but I just wanted to kick around some ideas prompted by this interesting thread.
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