Members Suckrates Posted July 5 Members Posted July 5 1 hour ago, bucknaway said: 1a5a75018e1a98d8630adb0c2492cfbf.mp4 Ho-HUM, so says the right wing Propagandarists, who by the way LIE about EVERYTHING. LIARS in glass houses SHOULDN'T throw stones". STAGED EVENTS ? My dear, Trump has been pulling that stunt for DECADES ! Quote
Members Suckrates Posted July 8 Members Posted July 8 I am a Lifelong Democrat, but honestly, I am starting to hate the party...... With all the Trump corruption and shenanigans going on that they claim they are "on top of"..... they are way too busy HATING on Mamdani, a Dem whose popularity is soaring, and The Establishment Dems dont know what to do with that as THEIR own popularity sinks..... Mamdani is out in the streets talking to people at their level, he's friendly and charismatic and CONNECTS, while mainstream Dems lately REPEL..... Dems, ditch the "robotic" Jeffries, and get someone more in the "Mamdani wheelhouse" if you have ANY hopes of winning anything come 2026 ? DEMS........ stevenkesslar 1 Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted July 8 Members Posted July 8 33 minutes ago, Suckrates said: Dems, ditch the "robotic" Jeffries, and get someone more in the "Mamdani wheelhouse" Good luck with that, Sis. I read some anecdote about how Jeffries had some meeting with rich Silicon Valley donors. He basically was inquiring about how we can kiss and make up. So he definitely does not speak for the Mamdani generation, in New York or anywhere. It's unfair. But I'll just say he speaks for the donor class. As does Schumer. Any idea that either of those guys were going to lead us to salvation was always a non-starter. We know that when Reagan was King Democrats spent 12 years figuring out, "Who's next?" It took an enterprising and slick Guv from Arkansas to begin to solve the problem. And he got his ass kicked as too liberal in 1994. But Reagan won in two landslides, pulled off the rare trick of handing power to HW for a third Reagan term, and did genuinely popular stuff. Trump won 49.8 % of the vote in a close election in which Democrats picked up one House seat. He just got a wildly unpopular bill barely passed that will piss off and hurt many of his own voters. So I think Democrats have way better prospects now. I did post that back in 2017, arguing that what Democrats needed was someone in the crowd to show up and lead. I think the same is true today. We know in 2020 we got Biden. It is all woulda coulda shoulda. To me, it was mainly the global inflation, stupid. But I think it could have worked if Biden really did have a strategy to be a transitional figure. it was definitely vain and a fatal error on Biden's part to think history had set him up as the perpetual Trump slayer, in a wheelchair. And maybe it was vain of Democrats in general to think it could work that way. Although, thanks to Biden, we never really got a choice. Like I said above, Reagan in effect pulled off anointing his successor in 1988. But even Clinton could not do it, in 2000 or 2016. One of the few things I genuinely admire about Trump is he did do this in the Republican Party. He showed up and led. It is a narrow and negative divide and conquer strategy that is based on the whims of a narcissistic and cruel guy. So I don't admire THAT. But Trump did something like Clinton did. Only worse. This will have to be fought out, no matter how long it takes. Clinton and his wise men are not democratic socialists. But I agree with Doug Sosnik, one of the Clinton era wise guys. He says whatever Democrats do will have to lean into this Bernie economic populism stuff. As you said, we are seeing that play out in NYC. Meanwhile, we have Ryan and Emma to be pretty, and entertain us. And Dancing With The Stars! Things could be worse. Quote
Members Pete1111 Posted July 9 Members Posted July 9 6 hours ago, Suckrates said: I am a Lifelong Democrat, but honestly, I am starting to hate the party...... With all the Trump corruption and shenanigans going on that they claim they are "on top of"..... they are way too busy HATING on Mamdani, a Dem whose popularity is soaring, and The Establishment Dems dont know what to do with that as THEIR own popularity sinks..... Mamdani is out in the streets talking to people at their level, he's friendly and charismatic and CONNECTS, while mainstream Dems lately REPEL..... Dems, ditch the "robotic" Jeffries, and get someone more in the "Mamdani wheelhouse" if you have ANY hopes of winning anything come 2026 ? DEMS........ In similar fashion, a lot of libs hated on Buttigieg who kicked Biden's ass in Iowa and narrowly beat Sanders. Berniecrats, The Young Turks, and Lawrence O'Donnell shit on Pete any chance they could. Yeah I have to wonder if the Dems live with their heads up their ass. Fuck all if they can't have it their way. Let Trump win. Waaaaaah. Stacy Abrams led an initiative in Georgia that successfully registered enough voters to turn Georgia Blue for Biden and the Senate. Did the Dems throw Abrams a parade? Did they give her a role in the Biden administration? Did the try to repeat her success by implementing her model in other battleground states? No, they did not. Is it important to hold their feet to the fire and ask why? David Hogg tried to raise awareness that some Democrats are "asleep at the wheel" and need to go. That didn't last long. The status quo convinced Hogg to hit the road. The Latino vote was surprisingly strong for Trump. Are the Dems finding TikTok influencers fluent in Spanish that reach tens of millions of subscribers? Do they have any Latino strategy at all? Any social media strategy? The Dems may try to take the safe, centrist way out, but more and more they just seem uninspired and dull. Quote
Members Suckrates Posted 11 hours ago Members Posted 11 hours ago Dems are once again making a BIG mistake, running after the HOTTEST and newest Trump story, while ignoring everything else. Dems always tend to put ALL their "eggs" in one basket, and cannot seem to handle 2 Trump crisis's at the same time. FORGET: The deranged and damaging BBB The Texas Flood mishandling The Crazy Tariff flip-flops Putins betrayal and the ongoing War with Ukraine The Gaza Genocide The lingering Iran question of "Obliteration" Musk getting 200 million govt contracts for AI from Pentagon after criticizing Trump ! Dems seem to have tossed ALL the other Trump issues aside, and have been seduced by the latest Epstein episode, which they believe and HOPE will finally weaken the DICTATOR..... Wrong Move Dems...NEVER look away from any Trump crisis. Quote
Moses Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, Suckrates said: Dems seem to have tossed ALL the other Trump issues aside, and have been seduced by the latest Epstein episode, which they believe and HOPE will finally weaken the DICTATOR..... Wrong Move Dems...NEVER look away from any Trump crisis. That is stupid. I means whole Dem strategy is stupid. What does Trump? He speaks about himself. And Dems speak about... Trump. So, everywhere is "Trump... Trump... Trump". Should be everywhere "Trump... Dems... Dems... Trump... Dems... Dems...". Instead of advertising Trump Dems should talk about their strong points and advertise themself. One of main PR rules is "It doesn't matter what they say about you, the main thing is that they talk about you! The details will be forgotten, the name will be remembered." The Democrats have made this mistake before. I predicted their defeat last summer when they had exactly the same strategy, and then they failed to show their advantages and instead advertised Trump. Quote
Members Suckrates Posted 9 hours ago Members Posted 9 hours ago 16 minutes ago, Moses said: That is stupid. I means whole Dem strategy is stupid. What does Trump? He speaks about himself. And Dems speak about... Trump. So, everywhere is "Trump... Trump... Trump". Should be everywhere "Trump... Dems... Dems... Trump... Dems... Dems...". Instead of advertising Trump Dems should talk about their strong points and advertise themself. One of main PR rules is "It doesn't matter what they say about you, the main thing is that they talk about you! The details will be forgotten, the name will be remembered." The Democrats have made this mistake before. I predicted their defeat last summer when they had exactly the same strategy, and then they failed to show their advantages and instead advertised Trump. Perhaps we agree here, but I strongly suggest the Dems implement a BALANCE, they can point out Trump trangressions BUT they MUST focus on what THEY themselves are offering America. At this point in time Americans dont feel connected to the Dems, and no connection equals NO VOTE...... Certainly they cant forget about Trump, especially when Trump is working so hard to keep himself front and center in the media.... But it CANT be the only thing they talk about, since THAT would suggest THEY themselves have NOTHING to offer.... Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted 4 hours ago Members Posted 4 hours ago 4 hours ago, Suckrates said: Perhaps we agree here, but I strongly suggest the Dems implement a BALANCE, they can point out Trump trangressions BUT they MUST focus on what THEY themselves are offering America. At this point in time Americans dont feel connected to the Dems, and no connection equals NO VOTE...... Certainly they cant forget about Trump, especially when Trump is working so hard to keep himself front and center in the media.... But it CANT be the only thing they talk about, since THAT would suggest THEY themselves have NOTHING to offer.... Again, hate to be a broken record. AMLO won in a sorta landslide in 2018 because he had a vision that people were attracted to. But also Nieto proved that corporate mainstream governance, Mexico's trickle down, was not working. Sheinbaum won in a true landslide in 2024 because MORENA actually delivered results. Despite the same inflation as in the US. The three-way battle for the Democratic Party As much as something this complex and unpredictable can be summarized in one essay, that article does a really good job. And the question is not which of the three wings are correct. They all are. The question is whether they can form a coalition. And then, if elected, whether they can deliver. I don't blame people who feel Biden did not deliver. You can blame it on all sorts of things, starting with global inflation. But it still is what it is. This is the job of a leader. Someone running for President is going to have to pull it together. So as the article says Democrats will have to grumble until 2028. But hopefully by then a lot of people will be hungry to unify and win. Trump had to do the same thing. Build a coalition. And he barely succeeded, twice. The two obvious wings of the GOP are the old Chamber of Commerce wing, which is alive and well and loving its tax cuts and special interest laws. And the working class/trucker driver/MAGA wing. I would not call low-income people a part of the GOP coalition. But Trump did win the votes of people who make under $50,000 in 2024. Which is a huge indictment of Democratic failures. And an explanation for Mamdani. So if there is a third wing of the GOP coalition it is the "high prices" wing. Which already doesn't like what Trump is doing. Electric bills are up 9 % YTD. Just wait till the Medicaid and food debate gets going. I love this abundance thing. It focuses directly on stuff people want. Abundant housing. Abundant energy. Abundant child care. Better that than abundant democracy, I think. Both Ezra Klein lefties and Mandani progressives want the same thing. Abundant stuff. Affordable stuff. It presents Democrats with at least two huge challenges. The rich and corporations will have to pay. Which is something Biden could not deliver. And Democrats will have to govern well. In Chicago the mayor's approval ratings got as low as a single digit in one poll. Meaning a lot of the Black base that elected him are not happy with how he is doing. The best thing that could happen is Mamdani wins and proves progressives can govern. Which is, again, exactly what AMLO did in Mexico City. And then the nation! I'm not suggesting Mandani should run for President, even if he wins and is wildly successful. I think Bernie proved that his brand of democratic socialism is simply a bridge too far. Including for the working class. We have a long time to figure this out. There are a few threads emerging that excite me. Just get old fucks out of the way. Millennials are being awful polite not to say it that bluntly. And I adore Nancy Pelosi. I even think Chuck Schumer is underestimated as a clever political survivor. But they excite no one these days. And Trump is the same worthless old disgusting piece of shit he has always been. Just older. So some burst of youthful energy will happen. We're seeing the previews right now in NYC. And the other thing is this: JUST BUILD SHIT. Just shut the fuck up and build shit. Build affordable shit. Just shut the fuck up. Really. Environmental blah blah blah just shut the fuck up and build shit. I mean, it really is easier to build homes than bombers, or AI, or nuclear power plants, or a new electric grid. It is not rocket science. So just shut the fuck and build shit. Affordable shit. That is what Zoomers want. And Trump, the faux real estate POTUS, ain't gonna do shit about it. Quote
Moses Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, stevenkesslar said: I'm not suggesting Mandani should run for President, even if he wins and is wildly successful. If he will win, US will lost last support in Global South - India. 1 hour ago, stevenkesslar said: And I adore Nancy Pelosi. Grandma is the main reason of raising tensions btw China and US - her last days visit to Taiwan made everything worse. Quote
Members stevenkesslar Posted 2 hours ago Members Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, Moses said: Grandma is the main reason of raising tensions btw China and US - her last days visit to Taiwan made everything worse. Grandma is the reason we should nuke Master Xi if he invades Taiwan. Then again, we should have nuked Moscow when Putin started his genocide. Instead, Trump is letting Putin manipulate the hell out of him. I say let's nuke Master Xi and his pit bull, Putin. After all, as you keep saying, the US loves to nuke people every century or so. 😉 Putin, he's just a garden variety genocide type of guy. 😨 Gotta admit, though. We are giving Putin a run for his money and blood in Gaza. Although in fairness the US is just footing the bill for the Genocide Jew. And we're not killing our own people, like Putin is. Quote
