The Epstein list... When will it be released?

[Suckrates]

1 hour ago, stevenkesslar said:

So it's on Democrats, next time they get a shot,  to see if they can deliver the kind of change people actually want.  At least something like 51 % of them in at least enough states to get a majority of US Senators.

Aw Hon, Bless your Heart,  you always end with THE BURNING QUESTION, that I think we know the answer to......  for the Dems to deliver CHANGE, they themselves have to CHANGE, and I am not sure Dems have Change in them ?    They seem to want to suppress rising new Dem Voices and resort to their OLD playbook.   They dont seem to have New ideas,  and they dont seem to know how to reach the people demanding the change.....  So how can they deliver it ?   They have 3 1/2 years and the clock is ticking, while Trump is "getting Really, really good at being really, really Bad" !     But I do recognize and appreciate your Optimism,  while I dont SHARE it regarding the Dems.   As time goes on, I become less and less enamored with Dems, and believe the party itself needs the CHANGE before it can offer it to Americans.  

[Goober]

34 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

 for the Dems to deliver CHANGE, they themselves have to CHANGE, and I am not sure Dems have Change in them ?    

It's a bit reassuring that some MAGAts are realizing they've been conned. But even if they turn away from trumpism, it doesn't mean they're going to vote Democratic. Democratic politicians don't seem to listen very well to the wants of their constituents, rather they tell their constituents what they should want. That some high-level (or maybe just high) Dems are still suggesting that Biden could have won in 2024 is concerning to me...so out of touch with reality.

[PeterRS]

On 7/11/2025 at 9:16 PM, Goober said:

I suppose it's possible he committed suicide, but it doesn't seem very probable.

I suspect we will never know. When committed to jail, he was in a cell for two people. On the night of his death, his cellmate had been moved out for some inexplicable reason. Guards had been instructed to check Epstein's cell every 30 minutes. That was not done at all on the night he died. For 8 hours no guard checked his cell. Allegedly the two guards fell asleep and then forged documents. The two cameras in front of Epstein's cell both malfunctioned that night. Epstein's body was discovered at around 6.30 am. Again breaking protocol, no photo was taken of the body or the possibiity that it might be a crime scene.

At 1.8m tall and weighing 85 kgs, the likelihood that Epstein could successfully commit suicide tied to the lower part of the bunk using part of a sheet has always been the subject of controversy. There were longer and stronger materials available in that cell. 

Epstein's was the first suicide in the Manhattan Correctional Centre since 1998. After a four-hour autopsy, the Medical Examiner ruled suicide by hanging as the cause of death. Yet Epstein's lawyers sent a pathologist to attend the autopsy. He did not agree with the findings, citing the breakage of some bones in the neck. Although this can sometimes happen in suicide, it is assumed far more likely to be a result of homicide by strangulation.

After the death was confirmed, Trump made a speech basically blaming the Clintons and that he wanted a full investigation. Attorney General William Barr said he was "appalled" by Epstein's death while in custody. Yet the guards who totally failed in their duty were given a deferred prosecution deal. They should have gone to jail. They did not. Epstein's lawyers and his brother Mark reject the possiblity of suicide. When his lawyers met him on the day of his death, he was still relatively upbeat. He still had a bail appeal hearing coming up and then perhaps a lengthy delay prior to a trial. There was no reason for him to take his own life at that particular time in the justice process.

Investigations were not just confined to New York. In France, one of Epstein's associates Jean-Luc Brunuel was arrested and charged with the rape of minors. He too allegedly committed suicide under circumstances that remain unclear.

My money is on murder!

[Moses]

1 hour ago, PeterRS said:

My money is on murder

It is too complicated for to be true. There are a lot of untraceable poisons, which can't be detected in one hour after death. Death will looks like heart attack or stroke after such poisons. 

Also 2-components poisons are easy to use: each component is harmless and poisoning starts only when components have chemical reaction in blood. Example: one component in food, second one on the cell door. Poison will decompose in 30 minutes because it is unstable. 

So, if hanging was murder, then it was intended to be warning for someone else. Only then using of such complicated method has sense.

[stevenkesslar]

5 hours ago, Suckrates said:

As time goes on, I become less and less enamored with Dems, and believe the party itself needs the CHANGE before it can offer it to Americans.  

No shit!

And I agree that I don't know they have it in them.

I know I may sound like I am all AMLO, all the time.  But implicit in what I am saying is that shit has to change in a really big way.  Like AMLO literally created a new political party.  Which now basically has a lock on power that the global elites worry is .............. wait for it .................... too authoritarian.  But the Mexican working class sure love it.

Part of my optimism, which my Dad and siblings share but not most of my nieces and nephews don't, is that leaders can actually make a difference.  There was of course Obama and "hope and change."  And now Mandani is a local version of the same thing.  Trump is a version of the same thing for Republicans.  Generally, they love him.  Their problem is Republicans account for nowhere near 50 % of the vote.  Nor do Democrats, for that matter. 

My larger point is that Republicans were kind of fucked until Trump came along.  McCain lost.  Romney lost.  So it makes sense that they can't live without him, so they live with him.  Did it really have to be this way?  That's for historians to fight over.  For now we just have to live through it.  Assuming we can, and do.

I think it is the same with Democrats.  Some leader has to come along to change the party. 

Clinton did that, for both better and worse, in 1992. I'm not sure I would say the same with Obama.  In 2000, the Democratic President was from Arkansas and the Senate Democratic Leader was from South Dakota.  That could not happen today.  The Democratic Congressional leaders are from places like New York and San Francisco.  Obama rose to power in Chicago.  That kind of sums up the problem, I think.  Clinton's party still appealed to the working class.  Including in states that we now think of as ruby red.

Ruy Teixeira's big thing is the working class.  He and John Judis, who know the area well because they forecast it a generation ago with The Emerging Democratic Majority, view the problem at core as being that Democrats lost touch with the working class.  So the 30,000 foot level solution is to elevate leaders who will fight for the working class.  It is working in Mexico.

The thing that scares me the most is the rise of billionaires and autocrats.  And that is where both parties are just as much to blame.  Working class people got a few crumbs with "no tax for tips".  But basically Trump's party is breaking the budget to give billionaires whatever the hell they want. 

When Democrats had power they could not agree to raise taxes on these people one penny, even though the idea is wildly popular, to fund things that help the working class.  That is in part because lots of Democrats either are very rich, or they are afraid of pissing off their rich donors.  Who they constantly suck at the tit of.  And every attempt to make Democrats not dependent on sucking the tits of the rich has failed.  So I get why all my nieces and nephews are cynical.  Or, they are the rich ones who like Trump and his tax cuts.

What is certain is that by empowering the autocrats and cutting their taxes and fucking the working class and poor on health care cuts and basic things like food,  Republicans are NOT giving Americans the change they want.  But whether Democrats will ever be able to do it is a very good question. 

A lot of young people feel that when the Democrats rejected Bernie, that was game over.  The rich now control both parties.  I don't blame them for feeling that way.

 

[Suckrates]

4 hours ago, stevenkesslar said:

No shit!

And I agree that I don't know they have it in them.

I know I may sound like I am all AMLO, all the time.  But implicit in what I am saying is that shit has to change in a really big way.  Like AMLO literally created a new political party.  Which now basically has a lock on power that the global elites worry is .............. wait for it .................... too authoritarian.  But the Mexican working class sure love it.

Part of my optimism, which my Dad and siblings share but not most of my nieces and nephews don't, is that leaders can actually make a difference.  There was of course Obama and "hope and change."  And now Mandani is a local version of the same thing.  Trump is a version of the same thing for Republicans.  Generally, they love him.  Their problem is Republicans account for nowhere near 50 % of the vote.  Nor do Democrats, for that matter. 

My larger point is that Republicans were kind of fucked until Trump came along.  McCain lost.  Romney lost.  So it makes sense that they can't live without him, so they live with him.  Did it really have to be this way?  That's for historians to fight over.  For now we just have to live through it.  Assuming we can, and do.

I think it is the same with Democrats.  Some leader has to come along to change the party. 

Clinton did that, for both better and worse, in 1992. I'm not sure I would say the same with Obama.  In 2000, the Democratic President was from Arkansas and the Senate Democratic Leader was from South Dakota.  That could not happen today.  The Democratic Congressional leaders are from places like New York and San Francisco.  Obama rose to power in Chicago.  That kind of sums up the problem, I think.  Clinton's party still appealed to the working class.  Including in states that we now think of as ruby red.

Ruy Teixeira's big thing is the working class.  He and John Judis, who know the area well because they forecast it a generation ago with The Emerging Democratic Majority, view the problem at core as being that Democrats lost touch with the working class.  So the 30,000 foot level solution is to elevate leaders who will fight for the working class.  It is working in Mexico.

The thing that scares me the most is the rise of billionaires and autocrats.  And that is where both parties are just as much to blame.  Working class people got a few crumbs with "no tax for tips".  But basically Trump's party is breaking the budget to give billionaires whatever the hell they want. 

When Democrats had power they could not agree to raise taxes on these people one penny, even though the idea is wildly popular, to fund things that help the working class.  That is in part because lots of Democrats either are very rich, or they are afraid of pissing off their rich donors.  Who they constantly suck at the tit of.  And every attempt to make Democrats not dependent on sucking the tits of the rich has failed.  So I get why all my nieces and nephews are cynical.  Or, they are the rich ones who like Trump and his tax cuts.

What is certain is that by empowering the autocrats and cutting their taxes and fucking the working class and poor on health care cuts and basic things like food,  Republicans are NOT giving Americans the change they want.  But whether Democrats will ever be able to do it is a very good question. 

A lot of young people feel that when the Democrats rejected Bernie, that was game over.  The rich now control both parties.  I don't blame them for feeling that way.

 

So then, basically, WHERE does that leave us ?   It seems like a VERY dire situation.   The damage Trump has already wrought would take years to repair.... and we have 3 1/2 more years of damage for him to do.   Everyones talking, but its ALL WHITE NOISE.... no one has a solution ...  There seems to be only one CLEAR one I can think of, which I pray for every day,  but that seems just like a "pipe dream" for me.  Too Many people fear Trump to make any sort of move. 

[Pete1111]

With the Epstein mess, should Trump dial down the references to young girls?

 

 

Frankly, most of the dead were not camp kids.  And why mention the parents stay in separate cabins.  Creepy?

 

 

 

[stevenkesslar]

5 hours ago, Suckrates said:

and we have 3 1/2 more years of damage for him to do

Exactly.

There are the midterms.  I view Nancy Pelosi as one of the best politicians of my lifetime.  I think she saw the handwriting on the wall, and worked mightily to prevent it.  She got Joe Biden out of the way.  Had she not, I think there would have been more losses in the House and Senate.  We actually gained one House seat.  Had we gained a few more, a lot of this could have been prevented.  But it was not to be.

If Democrats can take back the House, it stops some of the bad shit Trump can do.  But as @lookin says, they will still do as much through the executive branch and Trump's handpicked SCOTUS as they can.

 

[stevenkesslar]

[Suckrates]

Trump could have put the whole Epstein shit to rest during his first term...  All he had to do was PARDON Epstein.   But he had constantly painted Epstein as a Dem tool, which the MAGA base quickly adopted and ATE UP,  that it wouldnt have looked good for Trump to pardon the pedophile.....  MAGA then intensified the conspiracy of Epstein, and then Trump campaigned on it again and Trump promised his MAGAs to release the entire file and take down all the complicit Lunatic Left Deep State animals......

Trump was GREEDY......  he used the Epstein story AND the MAGA base, and it bit him in his FAT ORANGE ASS.....  While I suspect "normal" Republicans will become weary and let this go,   MAGA is fired up, and many of its cheerleaders made a lot of money promoting the Conspiracy and aint about to "sell the cow"....  For them, its more than about TRUTH.....

Its about the SMONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stevenkesslar]

1 hour ago, Suckrates said:

Trump could have put the whole Epstein shit to rest during his first term...  All he had to do was PARDON Epstein.   But he had constantly painted Epstein as a Dem tool, which the MAGA base quickly adopted and ATE UP,  that it wouldnt have looked good for Trump to pardon the pedophile.....  MAGA then intensified the conspiracy of Epstein, and then Trump campaigned on it again and Trump promised his MAGAs to release the entire file and take down all the complicit Lunatic Left Deep State animals......

Trump was GREEDY......  he used the Epstein story AND the MAGA base, and it bit him in his FAT ORANGE ASS.....  While I suspect "normal" Republicans will become weary and let this go,   MAGA is fired up, and many of its cheerleaders made a lot of money promoting the Conspiracy and aint about to "sell the cow"....  For them, its more than about TRUTH.....

Its about the SMONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Honestly, I don't get it.   And while I know people I can get a read from about what drives MAGA, I really don't think I know anyone deep enough in the insane asylum to explain this to me.  You're right that there are so called "leaders" or influencers who used this to gain power or make money.  But the part I don't get is why do the people inside the insane asylum believe it, and dwell on it?  And of course the easiest answer is, "Duh!  Because they're insane."

The other overwhelming feeling I have had for a long time is that most people who are Millennials or Zoomers are cynical.  And that's not quite fair of me to say. Because the Millennials that worked their asses off for Mamdani are anything but cynics.  But my point is that I think that may be one of the drivers here.  Cynicism.

The people in the insane asylum genuinely see Trump as the anti-hero and bad ass who will go in and own the libs and open the coffins and root out the vampires in the Deep State.  So now he is the Deep State.  Or at least Pam Bondi is.  They are now the government that covers shit up and gaslights everyone.  Except this group is probably less Zoomers than older Gen X types.  Like I said, I know none of them personally.

The phrase I keep thinking is those who live by the sword die by the sword.  This is more like those who live by gaslighting die by gaslighting. 

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Right-wing activist Laura Loomer warned that President Donald Trump’s handling of the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein threatens to “consume his presidency” in an interview on Wednesday, a dramatic rebuke from a presidential confidante that illustrates the growing rupture in the MAGA coalition.

There is good news in this.  If MAGA eats Trump, he can't turn our barking dog into Trump Steaks.  One less cruel thing will happen.

But the sad part for me is Putin has to be in stitches over this.  As in, THIS is democracy?  What a fucked up mess!

[Suckrates]

1 hour ago, stevenkesslar said:

 

Honestly, I don't get it.   And while I know people I can get a read from about what drives MAGA, I really don't think I know anyone deep enough in the insane asylum to explain this to me. 

There is good news in this.  If MAGA eats Trump, he can't turn our barking dog into Trump Steaks.  One less cruel thing will happen.

But the sad part for me is Putin has to be in stitches over this.  As in, THIS is democracy?  What a fucked up mess!

Au Contraire Sis,  I think Putin fully recognizes that America has crossed over.......into an Authoritarian dictatorship, although NOT as sophisticated as his own,  YET......   But he certainly is laughing at how stupid and messy Trump is, and that Trump fucked up SO BAD that his MAGA faithful now "want to eat HIM"...    It proves to Putin that his "useful iidiot"  REALLY IS AN IDIOT !     But he knew that the whole time. 

[stevenkesslar]

26 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

Au Contraire Sis,  I think Putin fully recognizes that America has crossed over.......into an Authoritarian dictatorship, although NOT as sophisticated as his own,  YET......   But he certainly is laughing at how stupid and messy Trump is, and that Trump fucked up SO BAD that his MAGA faithful now "want to eat HIM"...    It proves to Putin that his "useful iidiot"  REALLY IS AN IDIOT !     But he knew that the whole time. 

We may disagree about this.

One question I have had is whether we were headed to a world in which Putin and Trump were BFFs.  I think the verdict is in.  No, we are not.  That may be what Trump wants, and where he thought the train was headed.   But Putin doesn't see Trump that way.  As you just said, Trump has always been his useful idiot.   I think that is now clear.  Poor Donald won't get the Nobel Peace Prize for his "Peace in 24 Hours" deal with Putin and Ukraine.  So sad!

That said, Trump does have a true BFF in Bibi, and a bunch of Middle East autocrats.  And the genocide is on!  Is there a Nobel Peace Prize for that?

 

[Suckrates]

28 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

We may disagree about this.

One question I have had is whether we were headed to a world in which Putin and Trump were BFFs.  I think the verdict is in.  No, we are not.  That may be what Trump wants, and where he thought the train was headed.   But Putin doesn't see Trump that way.  As you just said, Trump has always been his useful idiot.   I think that is now clear.  Poor Donald won't get the Nobel Peace Prize for his "Peace in 24 Hours" deal with Putin and Ukraine.  So sad!

That said, Trump does have a true BFF in Bibi, and a bunch of Middle East autocrats.  And the genocide is on!  Is there a Nobel Peace Prize for that?

 

I love this "political" sexual tension between us...... And my question for you now is "are there really any BFF's in politics" ?

Bibi, very much like Putin knows Trump is a dunce, and is using him to his own advantage.... To make the task easier, Bibi does the "compliment and praise" thing which Trump inevitably "gobbles up"......  And Bibi will continue this dance with Trump as long as it serves him (Bibi).......Putin and Bibi are SMART leaders....what can we say about Trump other than "Bless his Heart".....?   

[PeterRS]

17 hours ago, Moses said:

So, if hanging was murder, then it was intended to be warning for someone else. Only then using of such complicated method has sense.

I don't see Epstein's murder - if such it was - as a warning. Who would it have warned? It was a massive relief. Epstein held in his mind, and perhaps even in a document somewhere not yet found, a very long list of names of prominent people for whom he had been a pimp. He had brought them underage girls. Some of these names we believe to have been leaked. But that list must include hundreds of the rich, famous and powerful. They are now breathing more easily due to his death.

[PeterRS]

17 hours ago, stevenkesslar said:

1. Trump is a version of the same thing for Republicans.  Generally, they love him.  Their problem is Republicans account for nowhere near 50 % of the vote.  Nor do Democrats, for that matter. 

2. The thing that scares me the most is the rise of billionaires and autocrats.  And that is where both parties are just as much to blame.  Working class people got a few crumbs with "no tax for tips".  But basically Trump's party is breaking the budget to give billionaires whatever the hell they want. 

1. The root of the problem, surely, is that the democracy practised in many parts of the world is totally f--ked. Democracy hardly exists. Leaders are not elected on the basis of a majority vote or even on platforms which they then put into practice. Everyone lies! For some decades we have been in a period of change. I do not believe politics was really a major concern of the average citizen even after two World Wars. The system ran in its own way as it had almost always done. Whether a result of the long Cold War, of better education, or whatever, many more individuals now feel a right to be involved in the political process. But they have little clue what that process actually involves other then going into a booth to vote. They don't do their research. I think it was Thomas Jefferson who talked about the requirement for a knowledgeable electorate. He certainly did say, "To preserve our independence, we must  not let our rulers load us with perpertual debt." I wonder how many Americans in the last few decades are even aware of that particular quote.

2. On which topic, in the USA but less in some other countries where there are quite strict spending limits in elections, as @stevenkesslar notes it doesn't matter which party you belong to the rich essentially control everything. Thanks to its politically biased Supreme Court, the rich can put in any amount of cash they want into elections of the candidates who will look after theit interests. And as also pointed out, fear means that neither party will piss them off by doing what almost everyone wants by raising their taxes. In an interview with the UK's Guardian newspaper about 15 or so years ago Warren Buffet stated he paid 17.7% compared to the 32.9% average paid by his office staff.

[stevenkesslar]

2 hours ago, PeterRS said:

On which topic, in the USA but less in some other countries where there are quite strict spending limits in elections, as @stevenkesslar notes it doesn't matter which party you belong to the rich essentially control everything

This is a sad example:

Talking ‘Trump accounts’ and mocking Democrats, Vance offers preview of how GOP will message the 'big, beautiful bill'

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“We couldn’t get a single Democrat to vote for $1,000 for every newborn baby in the United States of America,” Vance said, referring to a provision in the law that establishes “Trump Accounts” for babies with Social Security numbers born between 2025 and 2028. “I realized the problem: If we had made that $1,000 accessible not to newborn American babies but to illegal aliens, I think we could have got the Democrats’ vote.”

 

The line drew a laugh from many in the roughly 100-person crowd.

 

The line drew a laugh from many in the roughly 100-person crowd.

 

Vance is correct, as far as it goes.   He didn't talk about the tax breaks to billionaire donors. Or the special interest laws for special interest lobbies in red states, of course.  They put enough populist stuff in the bill, like cash for working class babies and no tax on tips, that they can claim it is virtually the same as FDR's New Deal!

Have to add that Vance is learning quickly from Trump when it comes to bald-faced lies.  He railed against not wanting to pass on "this giant debt volume" to his grandkids.  Except for the $3.4 trillion it adds to the deficit to help the needy rich, of course.

Meanwhile, Democrats could not agree to tax the rich one fucking penny more to fund an expanded child tax credit that helped tens of millions of working class families and cut child poverty in half for one year.  Harris had a great line about her Mom and the kitchen table.  But she could not tell stories about how she drew blood from billionaires like Trump - or Kyrsten Sinema - to make sure all those kids were not thrown right back into poverty.  I read she was advised not to rattle the chains of populism because some of the rich Democratic donors might get upset.  Can't have that!

[PeterRS]

1 hour ago, stevenkesslar said:

Vance is correct, as far as it goes.

In 2016 Vance opposed Trump in his election bid. Shows just how flakey the man is.

[Moses]

4 hours ago, PeterRS said:

I don't see Epstein's murder - if such it was - as a warning. Who would it have warned?

Exactly that I meant: there is no reason to kill Epstein by hanging instead of poisoning. So, looks like it wasn't killing.   

Strangulation followed by hanging to simulate suicide is almost always solved, because such a murder leaves unmistakable traces of a deliberate act - 2 strangulation grooves on the neck, which are almost impossible to avoid: the position of the body during strangulation and hanging is different, and the means of constricting the throat (usually a rope) is located in different places on the neck, therefore 2 strangulation marks are formed, which unmistakably indicates murder. Any pathologist and forensic scientist knows this. But no one involved in the investigation reported 2 strangulation grooves on Epstein's neck.

[PeterRS]

In my earlier post I had suggested Epstein might have had his list "in his mind". I now withdraw that. That list must have had not only names of important people but the dates and places where he "helped" them. It would be impossible for all that detail to be in his head. Only a few key names with the relevant details, perhaps.

But as I also stated, he was at the time of his death only guilty in the eyes of the public and the Manhattan DA. The legal process would likely have taken years. Who knows how many prosecutors and judges might be/have been on the list?

We know as fact that he used people. That list is his key to continuing "success" with leverage over those from whom he himself needed help. Its possible destruction when he was only on the first step of the legal process is so unlikely has to be fiction.

[Suckrates]

The WSJ just released what it claims is a 50th B-day card/letter Trump wrote to Epstein which is proof of their relationship.

Trump of course DENIES the existence of such document, or that he ever penned such a thing.   Just another Trump witchhunt/Hoax claim.

After studying the cards "language", I honestly have to say I have some doubt that it WAS penned by Trump. ?

Card contains the word ENIGMA....... I doubt that Trump KNOIWS this word, its meaning or how to use it in a sentence.  That "word" makes the whole card thing "SUSPECT",  and as you KNOW, I AM NO FAN OF TRUMP.

But the timing AND language used in the card give me pause and make me question.......

[stevenkesslar]

2 hours ago, Suckrates said:

The WSJ just released what it claims is a 50th B-day card/letter Trump wrote to Epstein which is proof of their relationship.

Trump of course DENIES the existence of such document, or that he ever penned such a thing.   Just another Trump witchhunt/Hoax claim.

After studying the cards "language", I honestly have to say I have some doubt that it WAS penned by Trump. ?

Card contains the word ENIGMA....... I doubt that Trump KNOIWS this word, its meaning or how to use it in a sentence.  That "word" makes the whole card thing "SUSPECT",  and as you KNOW, I AM NO FAN OF TRUMP.

But the timing AND language used in the card give me pause and make me question.......

Of course, when the WSJ did exactly that .............................. here we are.

Shouldn't JD be ashamed of himself?

What purpose does JD even serve?   (Trick question.  We all know the answer.)

[Suckrates]

50 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

Of course, when the WSJ did exactly that .............................. here we are.

Shouldn't JD be ashamed of himself?

What purpose does JD even serve?   (Trick question.  We all know the answer.)

Ms Appalaccia serves the purpose of "Lady in Waiting" for the Presidency.   Basically, shes a "seat filler".....

Even though your "pregunta" was rhetorical,  I was compelled to answer...

BTW:   Notice how QUIET "your barking dog" is these last few days..... Not a Tik Tok in sight.....

Every time Trump is revealed for the liar and criminal he is,   Miss Barky slinks away !   

Theres NO spinning this one.....just ask MAGA !   🤪

[stevenkesslar]

3 hours ago, Suckrates said:

Card contains the word ENIGMA....... I doubt that Trump KNOIWS this word, its meaning or how to use it in a sentence.  That "word" makes the whole card thing "SUSPECT",  and as you KNOW, I AM NO FAN OF TRUMP.

Do you think Trump understands the word PEDOPHILE?  Or RAPE?  Or INSURRECTION?

The poor little pedophile buddy buddy.  Oh how awful.  President Pussy Grabber Pedophile Buddy is being attacked again!  My heart bleeds for the worthless disgraceful piece of shit that is a shame on America.

 

Oh the poor pedophile buddy buddy!  Oh poor President Pedophile. Oh how my heart bleeds!

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Trump promised to sue the paper over the story, saying: “These are not my words, not the way I talk. Also, I don’t draw pictures.”

I'm no lawyer.  And trying to get in Trump's toxic raping lying brain in suicidal.  But when I read that quote my assumption is that Trump is correct.  This is a guy who is a disgusting worm who graduated from Roy Cohn U and has spent his life learning how to use the law to cover up for his crimes and rape and general disgusting existence.

He probably had someone do the birthday card for him, is my guess.  Maybe the signature is his or maybe not.

Kudos to the WSJ to tell this worthless disgusting worm of a man that he can take all his bullshit and ingest it and choke on it.  What a toxic horrible human being.  Every fucking day the media should expose what a subhuman toxic lying worthless piece of shit Donald Trump is.  Just like JD the ass kissing loser wants.

It is probably cheaper for them to pay the moral worm money when he sicks his Roy Cohn lawyers on them, but refuse to apologize.  America is getting the memo.  Donald Trump is a disgusting piece of shit.  He will forever be a stain on the USA.  He is the absolute rock bottom worst of America.

[Suckrates]

6 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

Do you think Trump understands the word PEDOPHILE?  Or RAPE?  Or INSURRECTION?

The poor little pedophile buddy buddy.  Oh how awful.  President Pussy Grabber Pedophile Buddy is being attacked again!  My heart bleeds for the worthless disgraceful piece of shit that is a shame on America.

 

Oh the poor pedophile buddy buddy!  Oh poor President Pedophile. Oh how my heart bleeds!

I'm no lawyer.  And trying to get in Trump's toxic raping lying brain in suicidal.  But when I read that quote my assumption is that Trump is correct.  This is a guy who is a disgusting worm who graduated from Roy Cohn U and has spent his life learning how to use the law to cover up for his crimes and rape and general disgusting existence.

He probably had someone do the birthday card for him, is my guess.  Maybe the signature is his or maybe not.

Kudos to the WSJ to tell this worthless disgusting worm of a man that he can take all his bullshit and ingest it and choke on it.  What a toxic horrible human being.  Every fucking day the media should expose what a subhuman toxic lying worthless piece of shit Donald Trump is.  Just like JD the ass kissing loser wants.

It is probably cheaper for them to pay the moral worm money when he sicks his Roy Cohn lawyers on them, but refuse to apologize.  America is getting the memo.  Donald Trump is a disgusting piece of shit.  He will forever be a stain on the USA.  He is the absolute rock bottom worst of America.

You are probably right,  Trump has a "ghost writer" and normally I would say if the card was "secondhand" its not admissible,  but it DOES SHOW INTENT, so in that respect there is Trump liability....

As for Murdoch, if he has the "goods" on Trump, he is still taking a risk.   Trump just succeeded in taking Stephen
Colbert down.   Now, Murdoch is powerful, but is he more powerful than Trump ?    Nevertheless Murdoch does have a "wide" reach and can do plenty of damage.    And as for Trump supporters, in ANY category,  once they acknowledge "LOSS OF TRUST" in Trump,   his game is over.    Lets hope its over sooner than 3 1/2 years ?