Disrupting the supply lines to Ukraine

[Keithambrose]

15 minutes ago, vinapu said:

that's the difference between Ukraine and Russia.

News from Ukraine are seeping in, in Russia culprit would quietly disappear in handy car or plane crash or got elevated to higher position and it would be just another ' vsio normal'no " day

Or pushed out of window, to lower position!

[Moses]

2 minutes ago, Keithambrose said:

Or pushed out of window, to lower position!

I think at next few months you'll see chain of "accidents" and "suicides" of Ukrainian ministers for to cut links from corruption scandals to Zelenskiy personally. (By the way: read my comment on prev. page)

[iendo]

1 hour ago, Moses said:

it is installed by Western propaganda "urban legend" for to make Ukraine to look "democratic"... by fact Ukraine and Russia are the same...

Have you seen NABU (anticorruption burau) in the news? Zelenskiy made 2 efforts already for to dissolve it. Last time - in August'25: all detectives and prosecutors from NABU were arrested in August by Ukrainian secret service (I think at that time Zelenskiy got information who's voices are on NABU's tapes). Only fast intervention of EU stopped it - EU just immediately switched off all  money supply lines. And after 5 days NABU again has been restored. 

So, thisу current scandals are going not because UA is democratic country, but because EU forced current situation against Zelenskiy's will.

I understand that you think Western media also uses propaganda. I agree that every country presents information in its own way and that you always need to look at multiple sources. But the situation in Russia cannot be compared to the West. The scale, the methods, and the consequences are completely differen

In Russia, people are arrested for criticism, journalists disappear, political opponents fall from balconies, businessmen die under strange circumstances, and even using the word “war” can lead to prison. That is not an “urban legend.” It is documented by Russian courts, Russian laws, and human rights organisations. No Western country arrests people for using the wrong word, or shuts down every independent newspaper.

So yes, the West has bias, but it does not have a system where public criticism automatically leads to prison. That difference matters.

About Ukraine: I know the NABU case you mentioned, and it shows that Ukraine still struggles with corruption and political pressure. But it also shows the opposite of your conclusion. Things came out because: journalists could report it, EU institutions stepped in, the government had to reverse its actions under international pressure

Those mechanisms only work in countries where transparency still exists. In Russia, nothing like this would even appear in the news, and there would be no external institution able to intervene.

So, corruption in Ukraine does not mean Ukraine and Russia are “the same.” It means Ukraine is still chaotic and imperfect, but it is not a closed authoritarian system where everything is suppressed.

That difference is important when we talk about propaganda or compare political systems.

[Moses]

44 minutes ago, iendo said:

But the situation in Russia cannot be compared to the West. The scale, the methods, and the consequences are completely differen

Please read again: I do NOT compare Russia and West. I do comparation Ukraine and Russia. And both countries are the same:

2 hours ago, Moses said:

by fact Ukraine and Russia are the same...

[iendo]

5 minutes ago, Moses said:

Please read again: I do NOT compare Russia and West. I do comparation Ukraine and Russia. And both countries are the same:

I understand your point, but I still disagree. Ukraine and Russia are not the same, even if both countries have corruption and political pressure.

In Russia, there is no real opposition, no independent media, no investigative journalism, and no way for courts or the public to challenge decisions from the top. People who criticise the government face prison or worse, and there is no outside institution that can force the government to reverse its actions.

In Ukraine, corruption is a serious problem, but the difference is that things can still be exposed. Journalists publish investigations, courts sometimes block decisions, civil society protests, and international partners can pressure the government to undo illegal steps, as happened in the NABU case. None of that is possible in Russia.

And before we continue, I would also like to know if you agree with what I said earlier. Calling the war a war can lead to prison in Russia. Independent newspapers are closed. People fall out of windows or disappear after criticising the state. If we want to have a good faith discussion, we cannot deny that these things happen. Do you agree with that part?