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Just for the record, the post is about the way the Thai guy was obviously rude and disrespectful to his older companion and NOT ABOUT RUSSIAN/THAI relationships. But then again, that is typical of many posts on this site. How often have we seen a simple post turn into a monumental expose of any and everything under the sun? O.k. the door is wide open, let the irrelevant comments begin!!!!

The other night while enjoying drinks at Serene, several Russians came in and squeezed into the already crowded bar. Two of the Russian guys were quite handsome. The Russians smiled and said something to me. I smiled back with no idea what was said. Apparently they thought I was Russian; this happens a lot especially on the buses going to Jomtien, but no Russian blood here. O.k. I digress. Sitting at the table immediately to my right was a much older man and his young Thai companion. The young Thai boy was really carried away by two of the cute Russians because he was constantly starring at them. The older man said something to the Thai boy and he replied: "I like, beautiful". A few minutes later the older man said something else to his young Thai companion, who was still starring and smiling at the two Russians. The Thai boy said aloud: "very beautiful, you not so beautiful but have beautiful heart, I like you". Oh my gosh, did he really say that????? Almost immediately the older man paid the bill and got up to leave with the young Thai boy in tow. As they left, the Thai boy laid his right hand on the shoulder of one of the Russians and kept looking back and smiling at him. The Russian did not respond one way or another. As he walked off, the Thai boy continued looking back and smiling at the Russians who never responded. That kid had some balls on him. Oops, I need another expression because the Thai boy was quite effeminate - lol. Life in Thailand can be quite interesting, to say the least.

Wednesday I came down with a bad cold. For the last two days I have stayed in the hotel room, trying to sweat it out. A couple of people asked if I have a fever, I do, and they suggested seeing a doctor. Today I feel a little better. But just in case I need one, any suggestions on doctors.

Thanks Kokopelli, how very refreshing it is to get a direct answer to a simple question.

N Boys is the correct name? Thanks. Now back to my original question, is the bar full of "men" dancers and not thin young effeminate boys, as the mamasan claims (also not my type)? Of course I went to another bar, there are numerous other gay venues in Pattaya, please! Additionally, my original post was not inquiring as to why they have that policy nor anything else except what type of dancers are inside. Just for the record, no way in hell they would think I am an Arab or Indian. Again, I as just curious as to the type of guys that dance there. If, according to the mamasan, there are no young lady boy types working there, only men, then that would probably be the only bar in Sunee Plaza of that nature and a place I would frequent regularly. So, for those readers who have actually been there, what did you see, only men type dancers? Thanks.

Yesterday while walking around Sunee Plaza I discovered N Club. As I approached the door to enter the club, the mamasan immediately stopped me and said the entry fee is 200THB and I had to pay BEFORE I go in. I said I want to see what type of boys worked there first, before I pay, because I do not like to see thin, young effeminate boys prancing around on stage. To make sure he understood what I was looking for, I said I want to see men. I do not like young lady boys. The mamasan reply was that they have only men, pay first. I said, that if there were no men working, I wanted my money back, o.k. His response was, pay first, pay first, no go in, only have men, pay first. No way José. I am not that stupid. Does anyone honestly believe that my money would be refunded? (rhetorical question). I did not go in. So, any reports or comments on recent visits to N Club? Is the bar really full of "only men" and no thin young effeminate boys? Thanks.

Having traveled to both countries, Brazil and Thailand, the two countries sex scene is as different as the countries themselves. Brazilians are naturally larger in size, in more ways than one, with totally different looks and appeal than Thais. In the eyes of westerners, Brazilians are far more masculine than Thai men we encounter in the 3 larger Thai cities. A Thai male who wears white facial make-up (or powder), rosy red lip gloss, arched eye brows, and every hair strand firmly sprayed in place is definitely not looked upon as masculine in the western world; although in Thailand they say they are men. Ask any Westerner and they will say that Asian men are naturally more effeminate than other men; despite not even knowing any Asian men! The sex scene in Brazil is vastly different than that of Thailand or any other country, and the same can be said for Thailand. Even in neighboring countries to Thailand, you will not find the sex market any way similar to that in Thailand. With all that being said, again apples and oranges are being compared to each other. Also, least we forget, beauty (and all things in life) is in the eye of the beholder. If you like apples, go for it, if you like oranges, go for it! No matter what you like or prefer to do, THOROUGHLY ENJOY DOING IT and be thankful that you can. Once I gave a rose to an analytical friend and said: "I gave this flower to you to enjoy and to appreciate its beauty, not to dissect and analyze it." ENJOY LIFE AND HAVE FUN!!!!!

I laughed at what you wrote about tipping. Like you, I also tip too much. Each time I say I will cut back but •••••••. As you wrote, tip one person and there is a line of others all waiting and wanting a tip, and for what? They did nothing for me. Sometimes people that I never saw suddenly appear waiting and requesting (if not demanding) a tip. Have you noticed that as soon as you pull out your wallet suddenly and magically people pop up all around you? Damn! Any magician would be envious of such an act - lol. Now, if only they and the mamasans would DISAPPEAR equally as fast: that will never happen. Still having a great time and that's what matters most.

Alkoe, the photo of the swimming pool is beautiful. What is the name of the hotel and location? Hanan, thanks for the post about Bas. I certainly will not off him. I have never had a long time off, only short time. I hate it when the guys almost knock the door down immediately after the sex, in their rush to leave. Like you, I have heard a number of wild reasons for their immediate departure. It is to the point that now instead of having them take off their shoes when they enter the room, I just give them a pair of roller skates to hasten their departure - lol. I can not over emphasize how VALUABLE this site has been in enhancing my visit. Keep up the good work guys!

BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO firecat69, well said. People need to realize that prostitution is a business and the basic rules of business apply to prostitution. I love going to Disneyland and despite all of the special effects, Disneyland is not reality. It is a business. Years ago visiting Disneyland was a lot cheaper than today and a lot less Asians visitors. Sounds familiar? Now the cost of visiting Disneyland has sky rocketed and watch out for the masses of rude pushy Asian visitors. Again, sound familiar? Thank goodness they are not that rude or pushy in Sexieland (oops, I mean Thailand, ha-ha).

The place where Vit works requires climbing steps, without a hand rail on the right side as you ascend. One person wrote on another thread about even wheelchair people are assigned an upstairs room. Very funny, but point we'll taken. Concerning Vit, one can off him and easily get a short time room at the Copa or Ambiance hotel. The Prince and Hero get an A+ for rooms being on the ground level. I can not recall any places in Pattaya with massage rooms on the ground floor. Yes Alexx, having been to V-club several times, I am sure the greeter knew a lot about me. You know how the guys talk. The receptionist even greets me with my first name.

Perhaps firecat69 you have not been to a massage place in Thailand or memory is failing you. Every message place I have visited in Thailand, without exception, has presented a pricing menu to me as soon as I entered the establishment. Obviously that was not done at my recent visit to V-club. Previously this was done there, but not today. In the USA and other countries I have visited, when there is an increase or decrease in sale prices, the information is generally conspicuously posted or the customer is informed of the changes upon entering the establishment. Also this post is about the change in prices and not the daily or routine price. By the way, price is important to everyone! When was the last time you bought an airline ticket; stayed at a hotel; bought a car or a pair of shoes, a shirt, a house, etc; ate at a restaurant or negotiated a financial contract WITHOUT knowing the price? As Oprah once stated, she knows where every penny is going before it leaves her account. Indeed there is a lot of wisdom in her statement.

I just returned from an amusingly visit to V-Club. I informed the greeter that I wanted a one hour oil massage and then selected the massage guy. Just prior to the massage guy and I leaving the lounge area, the greeter said "the minimum tip for the boy is 1,500". The minimum tip price shown on their Internet site is 1,000. After the massage I returned to the lounge area and looked at the plastic pricing menu. ADDED to the pricing menu were: "minimum tip soft massage 1000", "minimum tip Hard Core massage 1500". The greeter did not tell me about the two tear minimum tip system, he just stated 1,500. I laughed to myself as I thought about the similar situation at Dream Boys during Halloween. There, they did not inform the customers of the increased drink prices until AFTER the customer was escorted to INSIDE the bar and seated; almost the same as V-Club. The money hungry life in Thailand; you gotta love it - smile.

Just read the reviews about Prince and decided to post about my three recency visits there. In the past I have had a great time at Prince and was looking forward to returning. All three recent visits were enjoyable, but this time EACH GUY REFUSED TO CUM! On one visit to Prince a buddy went with me, and he had the same experience; the massage guy refused to cum. One massage guy said that if I wanted him to cum, make an appointment for him the next day at 1 pm: I did not. After the three cumless (is there such a word - smile) visits to Prince, I moved on to other places. No problem with the guys cummings at Arena!!!!!!! Cum or no cum, Prince is a beautiful place.

Enjoyed reading your posts. I am glad you did not believe the fact that you were Vit's only customer for a while. During July, August and Sept. my friend and I enjoyed his company 2 to 3 times a week, separate visits for each of us. Indeed he is a charmingly cute young man, the best at the massage place. When I steered my friend to your post, we both laughed because now we know where Vit was on the times he disappeared or was busy. Also each of us was his first bottom experience. I guess the guys do not realize that we talk about our experiences with them like they probably talk about us; funny indeed. Glad you had a great trip. Remember, when having such a great time and being completely flattered in mind body and soul, always keep one foot firmly planted on the ground of reality.

I went to Dream Boys on Halloween night and paid 500, the anniversary/special show price. My first thought, most places have sales/discounts/promotions for their anniversary; oh well, this is Thailand. The show was nothing special, except the addition of the live sex show. The boys were the same, the dancers were the same, and the other varied shows had the same people as before. All in all, same-same, except the price. The added live sex show was nothing exciting for me. However, the Asian customers seemed to really enjoy the show because they gave out a lot of tips during the show. After the second of five shows, I left the half empty upstairs bar and went down stairs. The downstairs bar was packed. Perhaps the people stayed inside to escape the heavy rain: who knows? Was the show worth the price increase? For me, no; for others perhaps. Nevertheless, I was there. Next Halloween, drink prices 1,000? Ghostly!!

On another thread was written: "Dream Boys caters exclusively to Chinese customers. ••• farangs are an afterthought". This seems to be true and not only at Dream Boys. Yesterday another board member and I decided to go to Hero, our favorite place for massages. As we sat in the viewing area, only one guy stood up and smiled at us. The other 20 or more guys remained seated, playing with their cell phones, talking with one another, etc. etc. totally indifferent to our being there. There were several Asian customers, I do not know what country they were from, going back and forth throughout the place. A few minutes later two additional Asian customers arrived escorted by one of the greeters. Almost immediately and as if on cue, the boys jumped up, struck various muscular poses while smiling at the newly arrived Asian customers. My buddy and I looked at each and he said WTF! Our host just sat there, looking around and smiling. We immediately decided to go somewhere else. We explained why we were leaving, and we did not even receive the customary "sorry". We ended up at Prince and each of us had a good time. It appears that the good old days of Thailand catering to the farangs are over at some venues, and possibly coming to an end at others. Oh, well, all good things eventually comes to an end; such is life.

No Whall, unfortunately "it" will not get better in time; the aggressiveness and tactics of the mamasans seem to prevail through time. In over 30 years of visiting Thailand, I have seen vast and unbelievable changes in the cities of Bangkok, Pattaya, and Chiang Mai. From the BTS, MRT, changing skylines, using a computerized toilet as oppose to a hole in the ground, meeting guys over a video communication system as oppose to meeting them on the streets or in bars, yes a lot of changes have happen in Thailand, but the actions of the mamasans sadly remains the same. So no, "it" will not get better in time. One has to learn how to deal with the prevailing pushy mamasans or stop going to places with mamasans. Learning to deal with an aggressive mamasans is as varied as each individual is different. Thanks to a few contributors to this and other Internet sites, several suggestions have been made on how to deal with a pushy mamasan. Combining that knowledge with your own individual personality should enhance your visit to Thailand. Mamasans are like car dealers, you dread dealing with them but you are delighted with the final product. And yes, just like cars, every now and then you end up with a lemon; just squeeze and keep on trucking (smile). HAVE A GREAT TRIP!!!!!

O.k. I will try again to find the place. I hope I was on the right soi. Are there two stories row houses on the right side of the street and a grassy field on the left side with a new modern looking apartment complex adjacent to the field, and at the end of the street is a nice looking hotel/condo? If not, I was on the wrong soi. The soi I was on is off of Pattaya South road almost directly across the street from soi one.

Yes indeed, to each his own, or as said, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". For me, an Asian with dyed blond hair (if one can call that strange color blond) is a complete turn off. That is about as natural as a dildo on a lesbian and claiming to be a man. But then again, whatever turns you on. The Pandora box is now open; go for it girls.

I sent an e-mail with no response. I give up

When was the last time anyone was at Magnolia? Twice I went looking for the place and could not find it; no sign outside or anything. Their phone numbers are disconnected. Are they still in business?

I received the regular 30 day Visa stamp at the airport, and obtained an additional 30 days from the consulate in Bangkok. Any idea how long one can stay in Thailand on a tourist visa? Some countries allow a maximum of 180 days stay per year (total days and not necessarily continues). I am curious if it is the same for Thailand.

Two weeks ago I went to the house. There were only 4 guys working. I was presented with the pricing menu as described by an earlier poster. The host politely explained explained everything to me, but you do not have to be a rocket scientist to understand it on your own. I left without selecting anyone because none of the guys were my type; I prefer more masculine. I made about 5 subsequent visits to the house, but did not do business with them. Frequently there were only 2-4 guys to choose from and again not my type. The place looks nice. I wish them success.

Firecat, you hit the nail on the head with your comments, especially with the boy communication network. I offed one guy and he knew immediately what I wanted to do without me uttering one word - humm. No, I am not into twinks and have never taken one off. Again you are correct, the more masculine guys are a rare breed in Pattaya. Right now I am in Boystown and I have shown your, Z909, comment to several waiters at the 3 go-go bars here. They all disagree with you and maintain that the off fee is 400 and the boy fee is 1,500. Maybe as Firecat has stated, since I have been paying that price, they are sticking with it. Who knows? Nevertheless, regardless of what I or others pay, the important thing is to be happy and enjoy yourself.