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all I can say is that I'm jealous like hell and I wish I was there. Glad to hear you had good time . I had only occasion to talk to Pinoy guy , I think his nick is Carlos and I'm glad you are confirming what I noticed, handsome , energetic and talkative. Moonlight needs to do better job attracting new models as those there , while still attractive become stale for many client, at least for loyal sector. It would be nice to see newer faces and bulges. Fortunately floor or stage boys seem to include more fresher faces of which Carlos is good example. Still after Tawan my 2nd most favorite bar in Bangkok and indeed in Thailand.

strange , but based on my experience Cambodians are coming on top of the list and Myanmarese will be last

Thank you , you have a good heart Merry Christmas everybody !!!

Day 4 That’s my last day, time for charity so after morning gymnastics and breakfast at Unesco I told my companion that today I won’t have much time for him so he needs to fend for himself or he can return to Pattaya tipped for both yesterday and today. He liked second option so after bit more fun together he packed and left smiling. When crossing Suriwong he actually turned back to see if I’m in window and waved at me before I lost his sight. It was a little bit of adventure with him but at end of day we parted ways happy and I’m glad that both my friend 18past19 and me were able to help him in what it seemed like his hour of need. Hope he will do well and I can see him in future. I had more rewarding offs but no boy ever stroke me with his good looks like he did when I saw him first time few years ago. Now I feel we are even. At noon ChristianPFC dropped by, we went to Foodland for a lunch and then upon learning he is going to Mor Chit bus station to buy ticket for his incoming trip I decided to go with him since , hard to believe , I never been there. For more fun we took bus 77 from Silom and it took about 40 minutes to get there. Bus station impressed me with size, simply saying it’s just cavernous. We returned the same way . In meantime I arranged with former model X to see me this afternoon and indeed upon saying good bye to Christian and arriving in hotel, he was already waiting for me in the lobby. Good 3 hours of fun , he never disappoints and I like way he is reading me i.e. what I like and when. If you add hunky, muscular body I can say there’s only one other guy who is perfectly blending being muscle god with perfect service and he will be my guest tonight. Since I was planning dinner with anddy at G’Bangkok I invited X to tag along securing earlier both gentleman’s approval which was easy since we had dinners together before. Great evening and great food. Later on X left us, anddy and I went to Hot Male beer bar to have last / for me / chat with paulsf and reader as well as their boys. Tomorrow morning I’m out. At 10 waved good bye to everybody and went to Moonlight for the show. A was absent but mamasan was aware about our agreement last night and greeted me with news ‘ I will call him over “. In meantime I invited Sam , guy I offed LT from New Twilight in May and who joined me and other member for trip to Grand Palace next day to have a drink with me. He was disappointed when I told him I’m busy tonight and leave for good tomorrow. Who would not be , seeing ATM shaped as KFC man departing ? I tipped new guy on the stage who shortly came to say thank you , we had a chat as well, turned out he is Pinoy, first Filippino guy I met in Thai bar as stage boy. Very talkative so hope he will be there next time I'm. When A showed up suggested some dinner at Unesco which he named Foodland so off we went , I just had crème Brulé still being full after G’Bangkok. We had fun till 3 am including our customary show of force which I always loose, no chance with such muscled guy but always surprise him that is not that easy to fight old guy. He was gone , I quickly packed little I had and started trek home. Friendly receptionist offered he will stop taxi for me and indeed one just showed up visibly being parked in hotel’s parking. It was not long trip as driver suggested 500 fare , when I pointed at meter he said “no’ countered with mine “ stop” , right in front of Raya. 90 second later another taxi showed up , this time no problem. In airport it was smooth and soon I was in the air, leaving Thailand for 25th time ending month long trip taking 3 countries and including 3 visits in Thailand. It was good idea to spent relatively busy and certainly sleepless good part of night with A as I felt bit tired and actually had some sleep on the plane, rare feast for me. It was also first time ever I flew JAL and must say their excellent reputation is fully deserved. Summary of the trip will come tomorrow

not necessarily a dud. I always profess my ultimate off would be guy I take only for hand holding session , I tried few times but heat of the day or night somehow always takes over, sigh

It's different conversation with forum friends when boys are present, we must be more careful what and how we say it and of course we need to make sure they are engaged in conversation so for that reason I preferred not to drag him along. I warned him I will be busy with farang friends in the evenings before we even set off for BKK As for Moonlight show, as most of bar boys, he was not interested in going but I was fair, added to his tip 400 I saved by not buying him drink there.

it could be somebody who was sitting beside you in bar or Foodland or just sneezing when passing you, not necessarily boys you were intimate with

is well known and often repeated truth that free sex tends to be most expensive

it may be something in what you say, it's why I always say let the owners run the business and let the boys to decide what is economically beneficial to them. I'm personally not worried about those calculations as I have mine - all I need is one bar open and one boy I like inside of that bar.

Our poster macaroni21 recently published 2 excellent reports / analysis of bars in question plus Jupiter in his blog. Take my advice and rush to read it Three gogo bars in December 2022: their shows – ShamelessMack2 (travel.blog)

In Saphan Kwai, Inthamara , Ari and Suthisam areas there are plenty of shops with Thai only signs so my guess will be they go there. It's pretty common long held wisdom that Thai for Thai sex scene is pretty invisible for foreigners

you must be good interlocutor because over years I noticed that buy are very discreet about their and their clients sex experiences and I like that part. Several guys I offed were offed previously by other men I know and they were aware of it. Never ever that made any comment about that other customer of theirs if they were aware I know him.

Hope you are better already and you will celebrate last two days of your trip in style, Just don't overdo it although 3 boys a day should be Ok, been there , done that

Day 3 We continued having our good time we had in the afternoon well into night with no phone in sight to my great relief. Only in the morning he asked me if I don’t mind , I did not. Tipped him as agreed and it was rewarding to see his happy smile. I used this occasion to steal another kiss accompanied by his shy smile as it’s a bit novelty to him. When I saw him before this trip he was not into kissing at all. Only my charm ( read my tips) converted him at least temporarily. He did not like food at restaurant we had breakfast last time so we took songtaew to KISS on second Road. After that we parted ways and agreed to meet at noon. On my way I ordered taxi in one of booths along the street had last stroll through the sois , packed up and yes , on the dot at noon both taxi and HC showed up. In 2 hours we were at 56 Suriwong hotel. I already described it in thread devoted to it , new place , quite big room with furniture more utilitarian than fancy at perfect location exactly across Patpong 1. Not necessarily my first choice in the area , I like Raya better but all boils down to a price. For lunch I suggested Madrid and HC surprised me after asking how far it is by suggesting we can walk. Certainly he is non standard boy, punctual, likes to walk and to pay for his small purchases like drinks at 7/11. But when returning he suggested tuk-tuk anyways, if was too far after all it seems. Afternoon we spent together in the room as I had other plans for evening so told him up front I will be absent then. At dark I went to Hotmale to talk to paulsf – we both are leaving after tomorrow and reader, had drink with P, one of their new guys I already offed before going to Laos then I went to Moonlight for the show. A , the muscle god came to say hallo and I used this opportunity to secure offing him tomorrow night. It was past midnight when I returned to the room to find HC sleeping deep still in his trousers. My gentle side disappeared somewhere and I undressed him right away, waking him up in the process but he did not complain being aware I don’t pay guys to sleep when I don't.

1500 for massage is still good tip in both Pattaya and Bangkok

Me too. I still have fun in them, yes , I liked previous formula with barely dressed guys better but if I don't have what i like , I like what I have , specially after paying substantial amount of money for airfare not to mention torture of long flights and jet lags. Being fan of hunks I still have Tawan where dress and behavior code is still the same like it was before I'm afraid some of us avoiding bars due to dress issue are depriving themselves a bit of fun but it's their choice, now with apps and communicators easy to stick to.

I like people not wasting a minute of their vacation time

welcome back, l we did not hear from you for a while

with scantily clad girls ? Shame on you , you traitor, LOL

Day 2 Similarly to our last time together nobody was in rush in the morning and it was only 11 am when we decided to part ways, they collected their tips and decided to skip breakfast as it was almost lunch time. It was message from HC ‘ can I see you today?” so I asked him to come at 3 pm and in meantime I went to Paradise Spa for another excellent massage and afters with Wit who was actually quite surprised I’m back. Then went to eat something and returned to my room as it started to rain . As always, HC showed on the dot at appointed 3 p.m. There was no doubt he drew lesson from out last meeting and by his own admission he realized not only his mistake but also financial loss resulting from it. Whatever disagreement we had we cleared it cheerfully and we had very good time together, changed , charming man he become. I upped his ST tip a bit , invited him for tonight again and agreed to take him to Bangkok again for remaining 2 days of my trip. It was quite a bit of charity in that since I knew I will sent him home earlier because I had other plans for my last day but I kept my plans to myself just in case something won’t work on my side. Considering what happened between us 2 weeks ago one may criticize that I rewarded undesirable behavior and would be right. But I had reason to be generous and forgiving based on what I knew , what I heard from him and his behavior today. I’m believer in giving another chance and as I said here few dozen times already my second worst and best off ever was with the same guy two years apart. Or may be I’m just old fool thinking I’m in love and being blinded by that ? After he left I went to DasBerliner for a schnitzel. If biguyby reads this I’m pleased to report they survived covid without scratch and when there I was recalling our diners there . Hope to see you again in Pattaya my friend. Then I parked myself over beer in front of BBB. I was hoping bkkmfj shows tonight again but he lined me he is not feeling well and he wont. I was hoping to catch that another bare chested guy I spotted last night at BBB on his way to work and grab him right away before somebody else does. Plot worked. At one point he was just passing by so I stopped him , invited for drink and over drink learned his nick is Ben. He agreed to accompany me so I paid my tab plus off fee and off we went. He turned not only well built but also well behaved and we had good time indeed till quarter to midnight. Knowing HC is punctual I preferred to have that 15 minutes cushion. And he turned in as expected on the dot .

disappointments will always happen even with boys we are familiar with and offed before, they may have bad hair day or we won't be in the mood which may spoil experience too. But fact that boy doesn't look like in the picture it not necessary bad, what we get may be even better than what was advertised. There's hunky guy at Moonlight I offed several times both ST and LT and I would never do that based on his photos. I was lucky enough to be introduced to him by one of our members so I saw him in flesh before I saw his pics.

that was a point I tried to make above - do they really care about your business ? I don't mean you ChristianPFC or Gaybutton but everybody who makes bar visit conditional to boys being in underwear. May be they wrote this clientele off ? I think you hit nail in the head. I'm talking about preliminary inquiry before even off fee comes to the picture. Or situation when apps boy uses some fabricated excuses to avoid repeated engagement, . or massage boy taking pains not to look at me even if we were together week or two ago. I don't want to sound sarcastic but certainly Peter you could use couple visits to bars now and update yourself on going there. Even one of our members in his report few days ago reported about opening bottle ( in Jupiter if I'm not mistaken ) . Depending of what's inside it will be 2000-3500 a bottle , mixers included. I underscored in your comment possible reason they don't care about brief's loving customer with solitary 400 baht drink is will be another one who opens bottle, drinks with boys and tips them, sometimes skimpy , at other times generously. In last two trips , in May and Nov I witnessed at least on three occasions boys being tipped 1000 baht just for sitting with client and drinking with him or her and I really don't pay much attention about audience in any bar. The same note received guy on the stage whom I offed subsequently so it was just for looking pretty. I , as much as others don't like those changes but I stopped complaining and still happily visit bars because I can see those complains are falling on deaf ears. another nail hit in the head, you on the roll today

somehow this doesn't apply to girl's bars in Patpong, just by passing by one can see plenty of them scantily clothed

when I took the same 2 boys plus brother of one of them in May procedure was the same but no notes taking , two not involved pretended to sleep or at least not to pay any attention to goings in the bed. So I guess you had bit more fun with your trio

it may be a case. Both mamasan and at least few guys from BBB Pattaya when I asked why only few boys are bare-chested on the stage told me that it is up to a boy to take shirt off or not. Another change, and that's for better, I noticed last trip was at Jupiter, during their parade boys, in the past always sober or even stern looking started smiling at the customers .... one of whatever reasons may be that they lost a shape and don't look attractive anymore. Definitely a case of one most popular guys from one of most popular bars and I doubt it's solitary case. I'd leave running bar to bar owners. I absolutely agree with all you said above but are we minority or majority of customers ? What was filling tills in times when farangs were almost exclusive clientele may not be doing the trick when Asian are prevailing like right now. It's not difficult to notice even in our forum. Guys complaining about boys in jeans or fully dressed are almost exclusively farangs. Perhaps for many clients it not as big issue as it is for some of us. I don't need to go far to see it since I have mirror. Yes I'd prefer guys being in skimpy briefs only but if they are not , I still like and enjoy my visits in bars. Is issue for me but not as big issue as for some of us. Do you think I'm alone?. Until we know what brings money and how much, we can't say what works and what not. Even with issue of offs, now with all communicators, Line , What's Up etc. we don't know if boys are getting more or less offs. I don't even mean cheating bar of off fee, now it's easy to arrange it with boy to come after show, after bar closes or before it opens and still pay dues to keep bars afloat. This brings us to a Gaybutton statement Maybe, just maybe, boys know better than us what attracts paying customers nowadays ? And what's even more important what generates better income for them. We use to look lustingly at their brief's contents but with proliferation of nose , earlobes , chin, hairstyle improvements in recent time perhaps that's the better way to get off and catch sugar daddy nowadays. I don't know but guessing based what I see and also what I hear from guys. Mooks , silicon and other cock improvements are passé , they seem to be more occupied with their faces or broadly speaking heads ....... that's the big if . I mean not you, person of Gaybutton, but type of customer liking what you like. May be bars and boys don't see much potential in older farangs anymore with us nursing one drink whole evening , tipping guys 20 baht for a feel and complaining (rightly I haste to say) about cost of drinks. Perhaps new wave of customers opening whisky bottles, getting drunk, offing multiple buys for dances at DJ to get ever more drunk and then tipping them more like all drunk people tip is more desirable because pays their , figuratively speaking , mortgages ? I don't know , just guessing. What I do know from personal experience in last post-covid trips is that it's more common then before that guys are rejecting my offers, are not interested in subsequent offs even if they were tipped above the market (?) or even not interested in off at all. Did I start smelling badly or they just see better money or better fun somewhere else?