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this brings us to question of security of valuables at those shops. We are not in control of our possessions while in the shower and also when we are massaged face down. While I never encountered any problems in my zillion+ massages from time to time there are reports of something missing, not even necessarily credible.* So my advise will be don't take with you more than you think you need plus perhaps 500 baht just in case. * ( I was once witness of big commotion at Rays with departing guest accusing theft from safety box. Later it turned out he found money somewhere in his luggage and admitted to being fool in one of our forums ).

don't sweat this stuff who was at fault, what counts is that you managed to shake him off and don't look back unless you like to be manipulated. It did not work, so be it. move on. It happened before and will happen again to most of us. Sometimes we learn why , sometimes it will be mystery forever, yes, it's disappointing but so is twice - weekly lottery draw and we are still playing

quite a jump down from Dusit Thani to Nantra Silom

there's a limit to any idiocy.

Two years ago I took BBB boy from Pattaya to Bkk for just 5 days but this was his idea not mine and we negotiated conditions up front including guaranteed at least 2 nights together for an extra charge on top of his daily rate. He wasn't completely unknown to me because we spent together 4 previous nights He even gave me 'permission ' to bring other boys at will and offered he will be sleeping on the floor in such a case ( I rented him cheap room in hotel nearby to avoid such indignity ). It went relatively well as we both kept our sides of bargain as I made sure every day we parted ways for few hours just to have breathing space but still we had few moments of tension as he found sightseeing of Grand Palace and Muang Boran boring and was complaining that I'm too generous to boy I hired to crowd our bed one night. After 5 days it seemed we were both relieved it's over. In Ekkamai after boarding the bus he did not even bother to check if I'm still on the platform ( I was with one or two tears until bus departed ). In retrospect after returning home I thought and still do that those inconveniences were minor and probably with do the same. Main trade - you have body , I have money worked without a glitch and even if I spent fortune on him that trip I'm still smiling. My prescription for a success of such undertaking would be: set clearly your expectations and let him freely express his ( I will be seeing other boys , he wanted at least 3 paid nights together , I promised 2 but we still had three) set compensation in stone and don't let him to try to extract more money unless you are OK with that make sure each of you has some free time every day if you are dining separately make sure you provide him with some money so he can his meal on you which would be case anyways if you were to dine together respect his limits and ensure he observes yours ( he preferred to shower separately , I wanted TV to be off all the time we are together in the room )

for what I need , Bangkok is number 1

Tarntawan or Raya , whichever is providing better deal at the moment, no particular preference, last time it was Raya

lessons for newbies from your story will be ; a/ fact that boy is stunner and enthusiastic in bed doesn't mean he will be good travel companion b/ it is a prescription for ruined vacation to take as companion somebody you barely know. It's one thing to have fabulous night but another one to be with boy 7/24 for several days in row as it may wear both of you c/ if you or boy decided to part ways, stick to your or his decision and don't take him back as those antics will likely be repeated

I'm using the same guidelines when comes to tip. On few occasions paid more / literally twice for ST and four times for LT / but this was because I either wanted boy badly or wanted to avoid scene in the room. Advice for newbies will be , keep your head cool and don't let your cock to do the thinking or be prepared to pay extra. It's why I advise newbies to set tip expectation with boy before you go and don't assume that if he agreed for 2500 last Wednesday, he will not ask for more tomorrow ( or may go for less ). They can see spark in your eyes and tend to charge for it. As for time , short time is usually as long as it takes to do the deed, some boys may linger longer for hughs and kisses , others will be springing to the shower and out of door so it time is important to you communicate your expectations. Long time is usually till morning / breakfast and I'd communicate clearly that if he leaves earlier short time tip applies. From time to time you may have a boy who agrees for long time for say 3000 and after 1 hr he will announce he must go under some pretext , pockets his 1000 instead and he will be gone . That's dishonest and warrants publishing his nick and number all over.

Can't recall seeing underwear there

I did not have problems in neither one and while Raya would be my preference because is new, if price at Tarntawan would be cheaper I'd stay there. My goal on vacations is to stay as little as possible in the room during day and at night I have better things to admire than room amenities. Nevertheless on almost every trip I like to treat myself with 2-3 nights in some more luxurious than my usual spartan yet comfortable enough digs at Nantra Silom, Malaysia, Pavillion or Om Yim, now changed to a hostel

no joiner fee there. all rooms are double so if you book you have double room and two breakfasts / sometimes deals are available without breakfast but you don't save much money that way/ as for ID some receptionists bother with that and others no , can't comment on them calling back since I have habit of walking my boys past reception wherever I stay. Access is by card so if you don't stay on 5th floor where reception is you and your guests are basically invisible to staff , only on cameras if they have those installed / I'm sure they do /. You just walk straight from elevator to your room. According to recent reports , Tarntawan still is doing their calling, actually quite a few hotels do including Malaysia and Cafe Royal in BT, just to mention few popular among PLU.

another slippery issue : subsequent visit to bar where we had boy or boys offed already but we want to try somebody else. Boys , even those who know that we weren't exactly happy with them will invariably try to claim an ownership of us. We don't want to hurt their feelings / or repeat crappy experience / and have an intention to take one of their bar friends instead. Lots of diplomatic skills is necessary and at end of day some boys will be still offended or pretend to by our "rejection" including hissy fits and if he has your contact you may receive angry call or e-mail. My advice will be to be honest in our intention, " I like you but want to try X tonight so more boys have a chance to earn a tip". That's particularly hard to handle if we really like a boy , don't want him to feel bad but nevertheless want to try somebody else. That's my problem at Arena and Bangkok Massage soi Twilight, on another hand boys of Tawan seem to take those ' rejections' very well , probably well trained in understanding meaning of ' butterfly ' although I had some commotion over issue last Dec. I noticed that boys previously tipped seem to appreciate it and on the next appearance in the bar I feel better having some ' insider ' in the bar already . It makes also easier to off boy without whole drink ritual so some of those exit tips are somehow recovered.

I'd not be fondling or exposing boy's privates in the bar unless clearly initiated by him which mercifully happens from time to time, usually later in the night when boys are more pressed to get an off. Of course exception is in Eros or Good Boys where that's the whole idea but even there I'm still waiting for them to make first step. Can't envision to send back boy without a tip unless it was him who planted himself beside without an invitation. If I wave him over then in my book he should get something, specially that some body contact is expected and extracted even if it's just a hug or everybody's favorite, hand positioned on his thigh close to the underwear line . That's the move which Rush of bangkokbois blog fame , God let him rest in peace . credited to be responsible for more offs than efforts of mamasans and boys smiles combined. Even if I send boy away almost immediately, which happened twice , once due to some ugly zit and second time in now defunct Happy Boys around the corner from Sunee Plaza when boy seemed to be tooooo interested in unzipping my shirt pocket where I had some money, still gave them something. Contrary to the most here perhaps, very often when I call boy over to sit with me is usually just to have some warm company while in the bar / all that A/C, LOL / and then I tell them I will not be offing them tonight so they can drop me at any time but they always solder on until I release them. If bar is busy and I'm not in offing mode I tend to have mercy and let them go or if I like all that hand holding I tip them more than usual 100-200. Of course when boy will be offed , I skip tip in the bar part, even if he is sitting with me today and we are sealing deal for tomorrow. Apologies for the lengthy post but judging by some recent PM's there's an interest among newcomers in all that bar liturgy and customs.

Strange but true, independently from each other two members, one well established here and another new suggested that in Cupidol thread was a lot of advice , sensible and useful for newbies which risks being buried and forgotten under that thread content and suggested resurrecting it in a separate thread devoted to , well , newbies advice. Bravely and shamelessly I decided to try it hoping old hands will share their experiences and new ones will have an opportunity to ask or even better will not ask because answer will be already here. Sure , all of those subjects were discussed here to no end but one quick look at bottom of forum page shows that we are read by far more guests than members. First two posts will be mine, slightly edited , from mentioned thread so if you read them already there no need to bother. When I came to Thailand first time I did my part and researched beforehand very well but still one crucial piece of information escaped me - that there are different levels of tipping for short and long time, it's why I have patience to answer all those questions with obvious answers for some but not for everybody it seems.

check your settings, worked for me minutes ago

spare underwear, alien concept for some , I know, you already admitted earlier to not changing shirt daily. If flights arrives past midnight , Thai garments may not be available until stores are opened and street stalls set up i.e. 9-10 a.m.

old advice to never take for trip any items we are not prepared to lose forever comes always handy in cases like above. Travel light, take twice as much money and half of the goods and have spare underwear in your carry on and stress of losing or delaying luggage is greatly reduced or eliminated altogether. At end of day, we really need very little to travel comfortably in a country like Thailand , warm all year where all necessities are easily available in 7/11 just walk distance from anywhere including very Swampy we are talking about.

Good to know MyHero is busy as they seemed to be for slow start after re-opening year ago. Did they re-open a restaurant as well?

I think one , whether tourist or relocating, needs to compromise a little bit since at home usually we have much bigger choice of people we can hang on with. When in new place sometimes we need to put up or even befriend people who wouldn't be our first choice at home , otherwise we risk being lonely from the start.

both of you are bringing up another slippery issue : subsequent visit to bar where we had boy or boys offed already but we want to try somebody else. Boys , even those who know that we weren't exactly happy with them will invariably try to claim an ownership of us. We don't want to hurt their feelings / or repeat crappy experience / and have an intention to take one of their bar friends instead. Lots of diplomatic skills is necessary and at end of day some boys will be still offended or pretend to by our "rejection" including hissy fits and if he has your contact you may receive angry call or e-mail. My advice will be to be honest in our intention, " I like you but want to try X tonight so more boys have a chance to earn a tip". That's particularly hard to handle if we really like a boy , don't want him to feel bad but nevertheless want to try somebody else. That's my problem at Arena and Bangkok Massage soi Twilight, on another hand boys of Tawan seem to take those ' rejections' very well , probably well trained in understanding meaning of ' butterfly ' although I had some commotion over issue last Dec. ggobkk , yes I noticed the same , boys previously tipped seem to appreciate it and on the next appearance in the bar I feel better having some ' insider ' in the bar already . It makes also easier to off boy without whole drink ritual so some of those exit tips are somehow recovered.

I'd not be fondling or exposing boy's privates in the bar unless clearly initiated by him which mercifully happens from time to time, usually later in the night when boys are more pressed to get an off. Of course exception is in Eros or Good Boys where that's the whole idea but even there I'm still waiting for them to make first step. Can't envision to send back boy without a tip unless it was him who planted himself beside without an invitation. If I wave him over then in my book he should get something, specially that some body contact is expected and extracted even if it's just a hug or everybody's favorite, hand positioned on his thigh close to the underwear line . That's the move which Rush of bangkokbois blog fame , God let him rest in peace . credited to be responsible for more offs than efforts of mamasans and boys smiles combined. Even if I send boy away almost immediately, which happened twice , once due to some ugly zit and second time in now defunct Happy Boys around the corner from Sunee Plaza when boy seemed to be tooooo interested in unzipping my shirt pocket where I had some money, still gave them something. Contrary to the most here perhaps, very often when I call boy over to sit with me is usually just to have some warm company while in the bar / all that A/C, LOL / and then I tell them I will not be offing them tonight so they can drop me at any time but they always solder on until I release them. If bar is busy and I'm not in offing mode I tend to have mercy and let them go or if I like all that hand holding I tip them more than usual 100-200. Of course when boy will be offed , I skip tip in the bar part, even if he is sitting with me today and we are sealing deal for tomorrow. Apologies for the lengthy post but judging by some recent PM's there's an interest among newcomers in all that bar liturgy and customs.

I agree with all above but would say, each time boy sits with you for more than just few minutes he deserves some tip, after all we are taking him from the stage where he could be spotted and engaged by somebody else. If one decided to off boy , then no tip necessary as interview was fruitful.

it is , dates and times are usually correct

in time , thanks to technology I can see this is how passports will look like . After all visas and entry/exit dates can be stored electronically on it the same way our money is stored in our debit cards. But this will need great degree of international co-operation, path is already cleared with biometric passport readers.