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if they are not rude , no need for us to be rude too. "no, thanks" should suffice

20 000, that's roughly 20 USD a day for holders of 30 day visa, not unreasonable but better to be prepared. Or equivalent of , give or take 10 offs, again , not unreasonable

this is how it works, boy one of us is salivating over doesn't warrant second glance from another one. one visit of bar with fellow forum shows it clearly not to mention some comments in the model thread

are you sure? I open blog daily and if that would be a case I should be already infected long ago

I actually asked boys this question few times and answer was pretty uniform , they treat it just as a job, some also said they try to think they with woman. But somewhere deep in my heart I still think they must like us at least a bit. No doubt money factor plays into it big time, I think it was numazu who reported that one of his boys gets 300 a day working in garment industry and see it in light of 1500 ST tip, big motivator for many I guess and we can be only grateful that they allow themselves to be THAT motivated.

in case of frequent visitors it's even handed , we know them , they know us , but newcomers may be menaced by pesky mamasans - just imagine some innocent first timer getting treatment at Cupidol similar to one samebb got. Could be enough to cure gayness in some.

I'd not be contemplating loss of night in BKK in favour of Kanchanaburi which is not that far. You can have a nap on the bus going there and back to recover after last night and get strength before next one

I agree with you wholeheartedly and decided on the same if , God forbid , need arises. Last thing we need id to waste vacation time fighting police and courts, innocent or not. Even in western countries with sound legal system it may take a while to prove an innocence.

yes , connoisseur of low prices as Hong Thong is cheapest of brands available at 7/11. On serious note, while single malt 25 y.o. Balvenie or MacAllan it is not , I consider it quite drinkable and emptied few of those with boys which are usually treated with round or two before we start our world peace discussions. Like with all food and drinks , tastes vary and when alcohols is considered ability to moderate kicks in as well to contribute to an assessmnet.

your friend is dragging you down, LOL, From lofty UNESCO sites of Siem Ream and Luang Prabang to Chatuchak. Kanchanaburi trip is worth taking, if only to break all that shopping and see some Thai countryside

If it's as bad / or as good / as Hong Thong I respectfully disagree with Alex as I consider it quite drinkable and as indicated above I'm not exactly water drinker. Here's to all three of you and Steve who mentioned said water ! Hong Thong it is, cheers ! Tastes good even here in farangland

yep, It's why I like straights. They know they need to try harder in order to perform. There's also question how straight they really are. If father of 2 happily married is undressing in preparation for massage and sports hardon already suspicion is he must be on our side to some degree, right

only animals are drinking water

do you think Hong Thong is better?

because Thai culture doesn't take well 'no' for an answer quoting ridiculously high price may be boy's way of indicating he is not interested or available. I'm privy to two of such situations when boys actually confessed that that was reason / in both cases only ST was available but clients wanted LT/. While I support thinking that if boy is ticking all boxes is worth of any price I'd still have internal upper limit as to not get carried away. 3000 ST / 5000 LT is an invitation to negotiations for me with my ceiling almost never crossed 2000/3000 but everything over that would mean I'm walking away even if boy hastes to lower his quotation to acceptable level. Only once I was prepared to pay whatever but still had condition that boys will express his interest in me / smile , eye contact / but he did not so it gave me chance to sober up Sometimes we are disappointed with performance by the star but reason perhaps is not that he underperformed but our expectancy was too dreamy.

we are waiting impatiently for account of your adventures in Pattaya

while I agree with you when comes to sauna visit I like actually to do bar hopping and visit massages with our members , always fun comparing impressions and at times eye opener too as boys I'm salivating about are dismissed outright and when I see whom they like I wonder who is blind , me or my friend, lol

for Chinese parading through Boyztown this is not part of sex tour , It' s likely part of program as somewhat weird attraction , they sprint through pretty fast and I rarely noticed they look around too much , perhaps they don't want to be seen by their companions as too interested , LOL I always wave at them and usually they turns eyes away but had a case when elderly guy left the crowd and shaked hands with me and boy sitting with me at Oscar's. All had good laugh

Most likely ability to handle mamasans comes with experience. Fact, that you stood your ground in the past and they remember that , helps big time. X-Size , yes. It was or perhaps still is very skinny ladyboy mamasan. Once tipped her 50 baht and she complained it was all in 10 baht coins so I told her you don't like give me back , she did probably hoping I will replace coins with banknote but I did not. Left in huff greatly offended, when leaving bar hour or so later I waved her over and gave her shiny blue 50 bht note. Next visit she smiled at me but left me alone, no further tip though

that's right. Similarly like z909 I rarely have problems with mamasans but sometimes they are nuisance and if that's a case I employ pretty blunt tactics without resorting to being rude. When accosted for tips I tell they clearly that I keep tip money for boys only, if that doesn't help i offer princely tip of 1 baht which I always carry a few , just in case. When pressed to off the boy with familiar to all " which boy you like " every 25 seconds' I shamelessly lie "I like girls" even in bars I'm known to off from in the past. Sometimes profession to like type of boys exactly not available in that bar i.e that you like small boys in Tawan or that you like big ones in Eros does the trick and even I may be advised to which bar i should visit to get ones I like. Also sharp and decisive ' no' without any explanation does the trick. If we start giving excuses it's an invitation to further forced conversation , the same like an eye contact z909 mentioned. With barkers in soi Twilight again short ' tomorrow' seems to shake them off also next day they may remember you and remind you that yesterday's 'tomorrow' is actually today, then I tell them ' I'm shy". But again , all that is rare practice for me since I seem not to attract mamasans as some other complainers, perhaps due to assholish face expression or something. I'm not their enemy either remembering that on my first ever visit in gogo in Bangkok if not pushy yet gentle mamasan sensing newbie actually guided me through procedures and selection process I'd probably escape empty handed. as for pushy tailors again blunt lie ' I'm leaving already" with wink seems to be working even if repeated daily to the same guy. My bigger problems are boys offed or I had massage with in the past trying to stake an ownership of me again as my usual lies will not work with them , how you tell that you are butterfly to a boy you offed few times this trip already, LOL. Again being a bit blunt helps "I like every boy to earn some money" usually is somewhat well received. I second OP suggestion that when in bar it's good to have a lot of change on me so no need to wait for change and makes tipping easier as well.

study ChristianPFC's blog www.christianpfc.blogspot.com he is also member here so may chip in when he visits forum later he is known for being frequent surveyors of all things gay in Thailand

it is always the game. Good you stood your ground, after all it looks that he had competitors in the bar. Sometimes is other way around , boy is firm with expectancy and we need to decide to yield or just look for other option. Easy if he is one of many but what to do if he is made of our dreams ?. Some of us will stick to their offer , others, myself included me be tempted to over pay just to put our hands on him. Bottom line is both sides should be happy with the outcome. No sense to beat boy on price if he will go with us just out of financial need holding grudge. On another hand frivolous requests should not be encouraged and perhaps dismissed outright even if he comes to his senses. As for us , being too firm may be self defeating at times as we may miss a chance to have great off and we squandered it for being too rigid. As I said above , always the game While I understand what you are saying , if boy was stunning why you let mamasan to stand in between? Some are persistent to no end and great nuisance but stunning is stunning, don't let him to be grabbed by somebody with thicker skin.

even in lowest of low season it may be another patron who will like the same boy you do so I'd still secure an access to my dreams

I rather have 4 long time offs for the same price roughly

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