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this is best case scenario, boy expresses an interest in you and does the bidding at the same time, congratulations !

That sums it up nicely. Boys have just 2 choices, negotiate or stand their / or bar's / ground. No need to despair , as 1moRussian reported recently , boy standing firm one night was willing to accept his offer next night. Sometimes just checking bin ready to go does the trick and cherished 'OK, Ok' follows. No need for drama or scenes.

From what i hear from boys, Chinese are not tipping in the bar and not offing as often as their numbers in the audience would suggest so you are still standing good chance. ( to be fair to Chinese, I never heard complain about unfair tip after off so it looks those who are taking boys with them made their homework )

perhaps him , like me is missing taste of pears and strawberries of his youth replaced by cheap and abundant but styrofoam tasting contemporaries

great bargains in clothing are still there but usually further away from malls and streets tourist hordes congregate. Busy types may use their vacation time do do shopping , bargains or not , since in 'normal' time they don't have much of an opportunity. Internet shopping , specially for clothing and shoes is not for everybody for the same reason apps aren't - some need to try wares before opening wallett

longer lasting for worst pain, I assume fair trade for some. I guess, I for one stick to old fashioned razor even if one of HERO boys called my foliage ' like monkey" (no , I'm not that hairy but compared to smooth Thai skin we so love....)

Congratulations, Sunee will wait , don't you worry. Quite broad with killer smile , 24 ! For 1000 ! Too bad I'm that far, would gladly instigate bidding war with you, LOL

in such a case I'd be gone from my room after 1/2 hr of waiting for a boy unless we had meeting scheduled in the dead of night, then I just would go to sleep. Actually happened once, boy asked to leave at midnight with promise to return in 1 hr but did not show up until 4 , long after I gave up and fall asleep. I was even a bit worried since he did not collect his tip but all finished well with him staying till something like 11-12 which I loved because I like morning gymnastics.

I saw many things in Thailand but can't recall even single case where boys underwear wouldn't be super fresh and clean like new, honestly

Good start for your trip , I like to start with Arena as well. as for milk cream you did not miss much as it smells like cheap ice cream and I hate it

Steve, couldn't you hold your fart until you actually leave the table?

Disadvantage of never being colonized perhaps?

go to bed earlier today to catch up with all that lost sleep now when you know already

by waxing gain actually what? just curious

hope you like it enough to report back

Even if boys of type I like are rarity in Sunee with partial exception of Good Boys I agree that bars are fun and boys adventurous. I find it endearing that when I profess / truly / that i like bigger boys , it's always met with understanding and than offered an advice to try Boyztown. Never offed anybody from Sunee but , like Vessey distributed quite a few red noted among the needy there.

I was luckier and looking back I must say their record with me is quite good, particularly when they missed time previously and I was gone if given second chance they are very good , so it can be done. Just show them that you mean business and are not interested in excuses.

Good for you . Even 1500 for just 1/2 hr is wayyyyy too much. In massages I stick to 1000 / hr rule and never ever had any problems with that rate. Even if we are done , bells and whistles , if boy wants his 1500 for 1.5 hr . he needs to endure some quiet moment of hugging and caressing until paid time is over and I must say all of them suffer gladly in such a case. I think in your case he sensed that you are completely not in the know or enamored with him madly or both and wanted to exploit situation but this is mercilessly very rare. Glad you stand your ground. I had a few such cases including both nights in Pattaya on my last Dec trip and had no problem of telling them that 3000 LT is rate I'm paying to their friend and him only but they will get 2500 and 2000 respectively and it looks they had no problem whatsoever to accept both tip and their fate. This supports what bobsaigon said above as well.

Once I got heated a bot about one of boys with true star looks and built. I went as far as mentally and financially prepare myself for as much as 200 USD / 6000 baht then / had he requested that much. But it pays to have some system - I was going to off him only if he pays any attention to my presence in the bar / smile or even just wink would do/ which is what i always practice and advise others. Unfortunately to my bleeding heart but fortunately to sanity of my finances he did not bother so neither did I. I liked that lesson I gave to myself and now if he is still in business / I have signals he is / I'd still go for him but just for regular or at most slightly improved rate like 2000 ST but at least 2 hrs. Again , it pays to develop some rules for ourselves as often we tend to get carried over a bit.

I had similar experience with one of Arena boys I met before few times without a glitch in their place. Finally offed him LT , then all of the sudden in the morning he was very unhappy with 3000 and requested 5000. I stand my ground since I consider 3000 LT VERY fair tip if not more but he was very disappointed and left in huff. Since I know him a bit I don't think he faked it so somebody must tell him he got 5000 from me. Next trip we made friends again In most cases they just take money, often not even counting it but sometimes they do and ask for "small money" for taxi even if tip just received included some 100 baht bills, LOL If they expect more they accept their fate leaving unhappy, ask you for more or you may have a scene. I had it rarely but in one case of Dreamboys he even went as far as calling mamasan from my room who told me 1500 is minimum but I stand my ground / boy did not even undress using excuses/ and next morning half hotel knew I had problems with my guest and I got some looks. In another case Tawan boy firmly wanted 4000 and did not yield underscoring that he is serious by sitting down and I relented to avoid another scene. If you curious , in both cases tip was discussed beforehand as is usually / 9 of of 10 / my habit. So it looks , at times one can't avoid those things no matter what. No need to be paranoid though as those just rare occurrences and reason we return trip after trip is we are very happy with our boys

I feel sorry for those people

it's good idea to decide for ourselves what is maximum we are willing to fork out so we are not get caught in the heat of the moment which may happen to everybody with help of drink or two plus hand placed strategically on the boy's leg. If you know your limit , stick to it on pain of missing that off if boy is too demanding. But being firm doesn't equate with being cheap as news are travelling fast and then we have those farangs nobody in bar is smiling at.

hope you stay all your time in Raya , otherwise if you start your vacation with shopping you will be carrying all that stuff with whole time

sure , fun means getting wet anyways, right?

that what rainy season is all about