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while we both agree on this my advice was directed at first timers as I think Bangkok is better introduction to Thailand's charms including gay hunting grounds.

You may be right that 'dynamic pricing "arrived to go-go scene. I recall 1moRussian if I'm not mistaken reported that they tried to gouge him on off fee even if he is regular there. Dressing / undressing thing may be more complicated. Last December we had similar situation on Suriwong bars , Screwboys were unchanged but in soi Twlight foreign boys were dressed or at least jeansed while Thai ones paraded in undies in some bars but still dressed in others. We had front-like reports here 'in Classic they are already in undies only but in FreshBoys half of staff is still fully dressed" I agree with hanan that charging 450 for drink in bar where boys are still dressed is bad service but for me all that is not about service, is about fun one has / or not/ . Not much fun to be in bar where boys are almost naked and there's full on fuck show but music is too loud, mamasans too pushy and patrons are smoking like steam engine

Tough luck, I'm not exactly famous for buying accessories for my boys being firm believer in monetary compensation. Boys need money much more than another trinket.

this is what they call it, I thought it has shorter name

that's 1960 savings for somebody who decides to spent evening watching TV of just wandering streets. If one had 2 rounds of drinks and offed boy likely had quite a good time so still may consider that money well spent. there are ways of still having fun for much less: -off boy without buying a drink, easy if you already know him, just wave him over ask if he goes with you , pay off fee and go -watch the show alone , prey on boy , wave him over etc, no need to sit with him in most cases -there are cheaper bars but show may be nonexistent or abbreviated and choice of boys smaller -no off fee on apps and after hours when boys are going home , hunting for an occasion on the street may be even fun. Bottom line is, we are buying those drinks not because of thirst but as a ticket for an entertainment. And is up to us to assess if it's worth expense or not. Basically the same like with movies , live theater, concerts, museums or sightseeing. Yes , 1960 it's outrageous but in both Pattaya and Bangkok we have a choice , the same like at Swampy. One can take train to Silom for 73 including BTS or taxi for 380 including tolls. More comfort , more money. What option brought more fun- depends on individual assessment / no eye candy in taxi but driver may be handsome /

Now you are talking !!!

map is actual one , only new thing is replacement of Balls bar at end of soi with some open air restaurant. in 2013 Zeus bar beside Dicks / shown as grey area on the map / was still operational, it closed at Christmas time in 2014. Zeus is still standing at front I guess

On Oct 30th it will be all over. Not sure others agree but I'd not start my first visit in Thailand with Pattaya, go to Bangkok first as it gives you better grip of country than essentially provincial backwater with pockets of great entertainment Pattaya is.

I doubt is was boy's decision , I rather expect police influence that boys are dressed and outside show at 9.00 ceased. I'd not call BBB trap, considering quantity and quality of boys and show and similarly like Dreamboys is pulling bigger crowds than other bars in vicinity. We may not like prices but those bars are not traps, in fact I can't think about any boy bar in both Bangkok and Pattaya I'd call trap.

I'd not count on that

so do some in Thailand but what riled some of us is difference between regular / 280 / and boy /450/ drinks like some molestation and probing would be already included in the price or gnash your teeth , budget accordingly and pay up. Most of us probably have few boys in mind we would be gladly sitting beside them, semi-naked in close proximity for 15 USD

I'd say soso service is acceptable and in fact when comes to paid encounter hardly we can expect any foreworks because heat component is missing. To Thai boys credit it needs to be said they show affection zillion times more than it could be expected for this type of encounter , often with patron twice or trice of their age with beauty carefully hidden. But since encounter is compensated, 'no ' for service is not acceptable, no matter what they like. If they promise to kiss , they should , if going long time , they should stay long time etc. Again I need to credit them then they understand it mostly very well. My favorite example would be one Tawan boy clearly sleep deprived by me who, when asked stupidly 'did you get some sleep ?' answered 'no, but you don't pay me to sleep", unrequested taxi money duly followed.

it's Ok, I will be home LOL

and you will let us know how it went ?

no need for that , both types have rent to pay so we need to keep them in gainful employment so it's good our boats are rocked by different specimens

Overall, considering quality of show and boys, I consider BBB best bar not only in Pattaya but in Thailand , perhaps because all my offs from there were at least 5 out of 5

exactly , up to the last baht, 300 tip and 150 drink

or perhaps Chinese don't realize they are supposed to tip boy sitting with them and bar decided to tackle that problem in such an innovative way, hence such big difference between patron's and boy's drinks. One of my Tawan boys regularly was complaining that Chinese are not tipping when in the bar, did not complain about bad tipping for offs though. no, better to vote with wallet and instead of buying boy drink it's better to slip him say 200-300 for pleasure of being close to us in the bar. Definitely I'd not be shy to complain that's too expensive although it's mostly academic for me , usually I make my mind pretty fast and am on my way or watch the show alone and take boy after

not necessarily, in former Funny Boys one was served small bag of peanuts with drink ordered, but granted , it was exception. BoyzBoyzBoyz better make sure thay have enough boys in their stable worth sitting with at a price of 450 instead of just offing them without any drinks. I suspect this new boy's drink price may not have as much to do with greed as with influx of Chinese who may have boys sitting with them and then leaving without a tip. Hope some of this 450 finds way to boy's pocket.

Perfect vantage point for shy types. One my have a meal and under that disguise survey boys available at Bangkok Massage , just across the soi without any pressure. Everybody who is not comfortable with selection process can treat that as training exercise. Dick's beside Bonny's further in the soi is good as well.

definitely, in view that regular drink is 280 which is still high for Pattaya, 450 is rip-off and perhaps scam, Thank you for warning, it looks that we need to ask how much is a drink if we are planning on treating boys or waiter with it

reminds me conversation I had with one of Senso boys while ago. I asked him my usual questions about liking girls or boys and being top or bottom and while he was firmly for boys for second question he answered 'both but I don't know". According to his explanation it was always some unidentified spark which made him devoted bottom at one time and top only few hours or even next customer later and he did not understand how it works for him.

pretty steamy afternoon and evening, thank you for sharing ! 500 for show - new Jupiter pays very generously so show boys may be quite demanding when it will come to tips with this kind of guaranteed earnings. Not that I'm concerned , market will sort it out but noted this matter of factly.

no need to worry about ID, LOL

Me and comprehending anything ? Thank you for overestimation. Difference is irrelevant since we are not trying to ignite discussion which type has an advantage over other. All comes down to how we are wired. Some are for twinks , coffee and window seat, others for hunks , tea and seat in the aisle. It's even more nuanced than that. I have friend in this forum who shares my taste in men and we visited many bars and massages together and yet over years , not even once, we had to 'fight' over boy. There's this "something " which makes us always picking up an interest in that other boy on display.