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Massage Chivaroma, one of the male massage shops in Second Road near Boyztown has some quite cute guys outside. I had a number of very good treatments there only one of which was an oil massage with straight forward HE but nothing to write home about regarding the afters. Also on second road near Boyztown, I walked past Heaven massage one evening and was accosted by a male masseur. He seduced me into a session (always a good start I find); a great massage and a very good happy ending with both of us naked. Afterwards he gave me his contact details but I didn't follow up as ordinarily he wouldn't have been my type. But the prize of best experience goes to Fah Massage in Jomtien. I find most of the guys here pretty attractive but one in particular always took the time to come and give me hug went I walked past. Eventually I succumbed to his charms and I really wish I'd done so earlier! The combination of real massage skill combined with sensuality; the second time was even better, with me on the edge almost from the start. A really beautiful sensual and sexual experience. I could almost be falling in love (certainly lust) with this guy! I do have his contact details and we are in touch but I'm wary of starting anything after my last experience. It's often said on this board that if you want love in Thailand, better to rent and sadly I think that's probably true. I didn't try what I think is called Soda Massage. Some interesting guys for sure but their location is slightly awkward in that you can't really walk past and have a discreet look without ending up with the hard sell. Blue Angel seem to have pretty well given up. Only one or two guys outside normally and sometimes none at all. Apps A boy contacted me on grindr. Claimed to have a certificate in massage and offered to come and help me get to sleep. Seemed an unmissable opportunity so half an hour later, he was knocking on my door. His massage was indeed really good. A full hour passed before things got more intimate which ended up with him topping me in a variety of different positions - a really nice intense and pleasurable experience. He seemed happy with 1000b and went on his way, leaving me to enjoy one of the best night's sleep this break. Another 22 year old guy contacted me on grindr. Said he wasn't a money boy but needed help with the rent. I invited him over and what he lacked in stature, he made up in enthusiasm and vigour. An excellent BJ I have to say and lots of kissing and cuddling. Well worth 1000b. A few other timewasters, plus a guy who wouldn't travel to me (and I'm wary of that) and a guy I had a good time with on my last visit who I somehow managed to piss off by not contacting him the moment I arrived. We never seemed to recover from that position despite my best endeavours. Worst experience was a guy who I met once on my last visit and to whom I sent some money I could afford to lose to help with rent. Thereafter I have had plea after plea which I refused. I did meet him again this time, fed him, took him to the cinema, back to my room whereupon he made no effort whatsoever. After 30 mins. I decided to cut my losses and sent him on his way with the motorcy money. The next three days he sent message after message saying he was being evicted and needed money. So many deserving cases in this world but I don't feel he is one. Bars I popped into Niceboys a couple of times. I did find it all a bit sad to be honest. I'd feel more comfortable if they looked like they were enjoying it - perhaps that's too much to ask. But I did call down a couple of guys, brought them drinks, chatted to them in a mixture of Thai and English, tipped them and sent them back. Just not my kind of place I guess but each to his own. I sat in Rainbow Bar (also Sunee) and found one of the bar guys pretty hot. I was leaving early on a trip the next morning so didn't off him, but gave him my number and asked if he worked there every day, which he said he did. I made three return visits and he was nowhere to be seen and no contact made. Always necessary to strike while the iron is hot in Thailand I find. Sitting in Rainbow gives you a good view of Winner opposite. Quite regularly some of the guys come outside for a cigarette. They need to eat more for my liking, but most of the ones I saw clearly worked out regularly. I didn't visit the bar based on what I saw outside (albeit only the smokers) but the drink prices are amazingly low. The Jomtien bars have previously been my favourite haunts but not on this occasion. I walked through several times and struggled to find anyone I'd be interested in which is not the case on previous visits. In Boy Gaga one of the quieter bars, I bought one of the guys a drink but he didn't bother to sit with me and preferred to chat with his friends. Not my idea of a host bar. They badly need to get some new guys as the previous good ones seem to have moved on. Bamboo Bar puzzles me. I don't see any desire on behalf of the staff to encourage customers. I tried it out one evening and was again left on my own for 20 minutes before one of the guys came and spoke to me. He was new. The others couldn't have really cared less. Eating I've generally had good food at Kiss (both branches, although the staff are very miserable at the Pattaya one), Pan Pan, Mai's kitchen, Wooden box, the fish stall outside Kiss in Jomtien, the Sketch Arts Café and Sandbar. Although this isn't a culinary forum, I'd be interested in other tips for eating too. Again, I've had a great time here overall. Hope I've given some useful info on some of the less obvious HE massage venues. I'd certainly be interested in others' experiences.

Just seen it was 9000 you were quoted. Well yes for that I'd expect a helicopter

900 seems a very good price to me. I suspect it doesn't include tolls. Mr Yo quoted me 1400 inclusive last time

Can I add my thanks too to DivineMadman- a very useful summary which I will use on my forthcoming trip. As mentioned above, Prime is a place I go to for a serious oil massage, so don't discount it as a Thai massage place only. I haven't been offered, or sought, extras there, despite being obviously aroused just through the sheer act of massage rather than any specific 'play'

I've never felt unsafe in Pattaya and feel quite happy to use the public songthaew. As to the breakfasts at Agate, they have significantly reduced the offering from when it first opened. I wasn't especially impressed the last time I went (September). Baan Souy is great, and I've never found the location a problem (given the frequency of the songthaew), but always found it very expensive for anything other than very short stays.

I second that. I thought the show in Bangkok was outstanding.

Another plead for you to go and see a doctor now. If there's no evidence in your new bed, you must have something that needs treatment - and probably quite straightforward treatment too. Don't wait another day.

Ok sorry Vinapu, completely missed the joke!

Not necessarily. You might be paid for doing nothing in retirement, but if he has worked (which he states) then he must have paid taxes which fund his state pension, and even if his work pension was non-contributory, it will have formed part of his remuneration. Nothing is free in this life Vinapu!

You're not getting pension for nothing. You've paid contributions and tax.

But obviously if you're doing good deeds for the sole purpose of earning credits, you want to make sure those credits are getting recorded (which was the point I was responding to). However, I agree with your sentiment: do good anyway and treat others as you would want them to treat you.

The concept of Divine Accountancy had never occurred to me before. I suppose it's possible that credits could be added to individual souls as you go along (like a prepaid card) thus doing away with a central register

The Agate fully booked? In October? I've rarely seen it more than 20% full in high season.

Invariably if the person wants to chat endlessly on line, I assume it's fake and move on. After all, time is precious and I'm not looking for pen friends I have sometimes taken a peek on apps before visiting the country but my experience is that chatting a long time often leads to an anti-climax of one sort or another

Really enjoyed reading your trip reports Vinapu. And thanks for mentioning Bank of Thailand museum, something I had overlooked but will add to my next visit.

True but I haven't heard it being recommended!

I never seem to experience jet lag at all flying East, but going home it seems to be getting progressively worse. As to sleeping alone when in Thailand, I prefer to alternate nights alone and nights accompanied. I don't consider it a waste as usually i will have had some fun during the day anyway and it's enough for me. Each to their own and their own sex drive I guess!

I stayed at Zing for a few nights last year instead of the Agate, purely for cost reasons. I found it poor and neglected and decided it was worth spending more to stay at the Agate.

I passed by Blue House a number of times recently but never saw anyone sitting outside and the doors were always closed. Were they sitting outside when you went there? There used to be someone called Kai there who was fantastic but I'm not sure whether he left when they closed it for a refit a year or so ago. Anyone know?

Sounds the perfect massage to me too!

Hi ay709394, the jacuzzi area is tucked away and it's pretty dark in there. I have been in there with around 15 guys before (smaller number on this occasion). Once your eyes get accustomed to the low level of light, you can certainly witness others engaging in various sexual activity. A HJ appears to be a standard offering at Babylon massage.

Day 9 My last full day in Pattaya was spent relaxing round the pool. My off from Day 7 was messaging me seeking a second helping, but I had hopes of meeting the guy from last night again. When I took a different boy who I've been friends with for nearly three years now (just friends) to La Baguette as a kind of goodbye treat, I received a message from the day 7 off saying he'd seen me with someone else... I found this somewhat annoying; an off for one evening is just that surely? I don't really expect to have my movements tracked. Later on, my new guy from last night messaged me asking if I wanted to meet him again. A definite yes from me, so we met early on at the hotel for fun, and followed it with dinner and a movie at central Festival. It's a shame I have to leave tomorrow but perhaps it's best not to entertain thoughts of having another boyfriend potentially and just keep in touch and see what happens until my next visit here. So out of my 9 days here, I've had some mixed experiences, but the best of them not involving any money (at least not directly). Now on to Bangkok. Day 10 & 11 I thought I'd try a different hotel to usual, the Furama as it has a nice swimming pool on the roof. It's also near Arena which I had plans to visit for the first time. I booked for two people and said on check-in that my companion would be joining me later. I did this in the event that I found someone to stay overnight as I don't know what the joiner policy is there. Arena did not disappoint. I arrived around 3.30pm and there were some 25 to 30 guys in the reception area, all nicely defined chests. Scanning the line up, I decided to go for the most enthusiastic. I was slightly short-changed on time, but the massage was good and the afters really couldn't be better. He really threw himself into making me have a good experience. The following day I transferred to the Malaysia Hotel until it was time to go the airport. They're gradually upgrading this place; currently the restaurant is being refurbished but food is still being served outside. I like to finish my trips with time at Babylon. I spent an hour or so round the pool swimming, and then headed into the jacuzzi. Some action there as usual, and got sucked nicely by a youngish Thai guy. I then headed for a 90 minute massage. It's expensive but I've never had a bad experience here, and this masseur was great. Very sensual and erotic but a proper massage. I tipped him generously as business seemed light today and it really was very good I returned to my locker and picked up a dry towel and went for a shower before heading back to the hotel. Coming out of the shower room, a truly stunning guy (who I initially thought was Cambodian) caught my eye and then he gently grabbed my arm as I walked past him. I began to say I'm about to leave but his invitation to join him in the Garden of Earthly Delights was too tempting. Without doubt, to join him was the best decision I made on this holiday. All in all we spent just under an hour kissing, cuddling, sucking and fucking each other. It could not have been a better ending to my holiday. So, duly spent, I returned to the hotel, grabbed a quick meal, and headed to the airport. I know some members think I've wasted time on the apps, but in truth I've had some great sex on this holiday and wouldn't have wanted more (maybe my libido is lower than others' here!). Thailand never disappoints me. And I will be back later in the year. I hope you've enjoyed reading my accounts as much as I enjoy reading those of other people.

Day 7 & 8 I finally returned to the Blue Angel massage, after a bit of flirting by the guys when I exited the hotel. I selected the masseur using the 'most smiling boy' method. I can only describe the massage as frenetic and alarming, and I'm sure if it hadn't have been for the gallons of excess oil lubricating my poor body, I could well have spontaneously combusted. Personally I like a massage to be sensual and teasing throughout; this was nothing like, despite my suggestions. Towards the end, the 'masseur' removed his clothes. He was at least well endowed in the cock department if not massage skills. However, my fight for survival meant I didn't feel especially horny by this point. I did manage to make him cum all over my chest but didn't achieve the same goal myself. As with all massage places, it so depends on who you get or choose. I tipped him a reasonable amount, and he asked how his massage was. I decided to give him some pointers for next time in the gentlest way possible. Hopefully someone else will benefit. I then connected with a guy from gay Romeo who turned out to be from one of the Jomtien bars in the Venue soi. Tall and reasonably built, I went to pay him a visit and buy him a drink. A short while later, off fees duly paid, we were back at the Agate for a night of fun; I say fun but I have to admit the shape and girth of his cock was quite something to accommodate. He didn't make it down to breakfast (we had already discussed the possibility that I would go alone if he didn't wake up in time) but when I returned we had a very satisfying round 2. Nice guy but I don't think I'll off him again. Later in the day, having enjoyed an oil massage at TBMI, I received a message from a guy on Hornet offering a massage. Certainly our exchanges looked good, and his pics did too, so I invited him over to the hotel. He exceeded expectations in every department. Massage was one of the best, sex afterwards was good and we chatted quite a lot in both Thai and English. I suggested we go and have some food together which was gladly accepted and we had a very enjoyable evening and night together. I'm only sorry it has taken eight days to meet the guy as I'd certainly like to get to know him better. I received several messages from my off from the previous night asking where I was etc and inviting me to come to his bar again. I politely declined.

Ha, well I have come to the conclusion that there's no such thing as free sex (and I'm more than happy to contribute towards the Thai economy). What I am trying to say is that maybe deep down I'm looking for something - don't laugh - a little more meaningful than a transaction in a bar

Boy69, it wasn't that the boy wasn't my type (just not quite as attractive as his pics). The hygiene issues weren't immediately apparent so we were already in the room. I guess I find confrontation difficult! Reader, perhaps for the same reason above, I like the ability to do selection online. I have sat in bars, sitting with a boy I have bought a drink for (as don't like sitting alone), only to find another boy far more attractive (maybe at the same bar or one opposite). I find it difficult to dump one for the other! Now I realise it's a business, but these guys are human and have feelings. That's my issue. Thoughts and tips welcome.