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The jungle drums are beating well in advance of your returns! They are like the worst kept secret in Pattaya, even the cleaning room attendants know of your arrival and wait like Downton abbey outside your accommodation!

I would have thought 500b would have been more appropriate if you wanted him to make contact, you have to grease his palms, make what my BF calls a "landmark" and make him greedy for more. After all he's a moonlight boy, not a Soi Sunee boy!

On my trip last month, my BF overheard an entourage boy of a big spending farang try to encourage one of the the TB mamasan/waiters to pad the bill and they could split the difference Mamasan was quite clear in telling the boy to "get f*cked" and said that if the farang wants to tip, he will tip

A lot of the bars in BT have an arrangement with the serene hotel for ST rooms. Toy Boys even has an anti "walk of shame" route that you can utilize by going out through the alleyway out the back of their boys dressing room

yes but i was with my (allegedly savvy 40+) Thai BF at the time, so didn't expect the driver to also try it on and almost succeeed with him!

Was just going to say that, last week one of their Viet boys was trying to persuade me that he was fully versatile and could prove it if i wanted to visit the Pavilion Hotel with him!

Thanks all for your input here, and glad to hear that this practice is not widespread or starting to proliferate! Possibly, but it happened on 3 different occasions and there were different people involved in the third Perhaps i need to be more clear about the 'drinks only' basis going forward.... lets see at songkran!

Arrived into BKK 10 days ago and the driver pulled out his calculator as soon as BF and I settled into the (very nice Chinese brand) sedan. We insisted on using the meter but he refused so we made to get out of the car, he then agreed to use the meter but told BF that he would be charging an extra 50b because of my suitcase. As we got near to silom, heading for the Raya, I believe that he deliberately took a detour to ensure that we were stuck in traffic at one set of lights near Chong Nonsi to ensure that the meter was run up to what he was looking to earn (it cost 550b - and we had paid tolls)

Stay in the D'Varee hotel and you can pop in and out of Jomtien Soi 12 beach area at will over the course of the night. I know of 2 boys that encouraged their customer//boyfriend to stay in the D'Varee.... of course with the intention of being able to sneak out and join the party once the farang is KO! Pizza company has now moved to 24 hours (they used to close at 2am) for those who get the munchies after their nam tom (Kratom Tea)

Agreed, and that is what my BF told the guy that joined up with us, fell asleep at the table and had to be carried home, but next day had the temerity to tell our mutual friend to ask me where his tip was!

Just back from 3.5 weeks in LOS (Pattaya, Phuket, and Bangkok). During this trip, I noticed that the concept of appearance fees (aka tips for entertainment) seems to have become a requirement. What do I mean by this? In the past, I would often take a boy or two from a bar to a club, karaoke, morlam, etc., without ending up in the bedroom. The boys would be compensated for their time (e.g., 1000 baht) and go home happy. Often, I would also ask if they wanted to invite some friends to join us after work, or they might invite friends anyway if we already knew each other. The joiners or uninvited tag-along guests usually received 1-200 baht to cover food and transport at the end of the night, and of course, all their drinks and food were paid for throughout the evening. On my most recent trip, there were a few occasions where the joiners demanded a "tip for entertainment" at the end of the night or simply asked upfront, "How much will the farang pay if we join?" This is a new and unwelcome phenomenon for me. For the last 20+ years, when I have been going out, the boys were just happy to have a sponsor to pay for the night out and join as friends, rather than as a paid entourage. I'm curious if others have come across this behavior recently?

1. Is my outline understanding correct? Yes 2. Is there a time limit for the customer's return? (Presumably, if there is, then after the time limit, the bar would either dispose of the bottle or use the remaining liquid in the bottle for their own house pour). Depends on the bar but its usually something between 10-30 days, after which it gets consumed by the bar (or siphoned by the barman) 3. Is there any charge for the customer who returns and asks for this bottle. Does the customer get to return as many times as he likes (within time limit, if any) for free (i.e. no entry charge) if he has a bottle waiting for him on the shelf? No charge to re-call your bottle, but there may be a charge for mixers and ice. Some bars include all mixers + ice until the bottle is finished on multiple occasion. Others charge on a return visit 4. Presumably, each visit the customer is likely to order mixers. What sort of prices do the bars charge for mixers and any charge for ice, etc? (A single-drink customer would have to pay 400 -500 baht for a can of Tonic, Soda or Coca Cola. If a bottle customer asked for a similar can as mixer, is he charged at a different rate? As above, some bars include all mixers + ice until the bottle is finished on multiple occasion. Others charge on a return visit. Last week, Goodboys were charging 100b per mixer on a subsequent visit 5. If the customer calls a boy to sit with him, and offers the boy a drink served out of the same bottle, does the bar charge nothing? (for customers who order single drinks, the bar would charge a boy drink and earn money from that; the boy also gets maybe 50 or 100 baht from the boy drink). Again depends on the bar, i have drank in Fresh boys, Jupiter and Good boys in the past where the boys drank for free. Last week, Good boys wanted 400b for a boy to join the table (boy gets 200b from that). The boy got a "boy drink" and once that drink was finished could choose to stay and drink for free (with prospective tip or off), try to extract another boy drink or go back on the floor 6. Can a boy refuse a drink out of the bottle, e.g. saying "I don't drink alcohol." What usually happens then? Again depends on the bar, the boy can choose a boy drink or can drink coke from the mixers of they don't drink alcohol 7. Do mamasans help themselves freely to the bottle? Or must they first be explicitly invited by the customer to partake? (I have seen mamasans - sometimes two of them - drink considerably from bottles and I have often wondered what the understanding between customer and mamasan was, or was the mamasan helping herself liberally in order to exhaust the bottle as soon as possible, it being her job to help the bar sell more bottles/drinks?). Usually mamasans and waiters drink by invitation and don't qualify for mandatory "boy drinks", of course familiarity breeds contempt! They also try and convince you how much they like 400b tequila shots! Per comments above, buying a bottle at e.g. 2500b exempts you from "admission fees" so if there are 3-4 people in your group, and all can drink the same beverage, it is definitely the most economical way to go if you intend to stay for more than 1 drink

Agreed! after spending 5 days in Phuket last week where a tuktuk costs a minimum of 300 baht to go anywhere, the Pattaya Baht bus system cant be beaten!

BF and i dropped in late Tuesday night as there was a very cute guy at the door Stopped for a drink with the door boy and another Myanmar boy. Unfortunately this was after 1.5 bottles of whiskey in Good Boys and I had a flight home the next morning so didn't get to know the boys too well, but it seems that they are all from Myanmar and speak pretty decent English, the 2 guys we met were very charming and engaging. I have promised myself and the boys i will to drop in again on my return!

I have to respectfully disagree with this and your advice is likely to get someone a tyre iron in the head from an angry Songtaew driver The fare is 10B from Jomtien to South Pattaya/Central shopping Mall. If you cross Pattya Klang/Central road and head on towards Terminal 21 then the fare increases to 20B. Of course on a busy day the driver might not notice how long you have been on the Songtaew, but if there are few passengers they will and wont be shy in calling you out about it

Have done that trip a few times also, every time i swear it gets worse and the pain in my ass is excruciating by the time we get near Na Jomtien! (not for THAT reason... dirty minds!) Its a pity the Silverlake vineyard and winery didn't survive Covid as the 2 were pretty much side-by-side

It's so far south it is practically in Bang Saray. No option but to travel on Sukhumvit to get there and back I would run a mile unless I was going on a honeymoon or to detox!

There was at least 8 Gogo bars on my first trip to Phuket in 2001. The decline happened after the Tsunami, when gay tourists stopped visiting and the older generation of gay visitors decided travelling to Pattaya was easier than an additional flight to Phuket

allegedly! Rumour has it he's still around and back starring in Rosanne!

I would go for the empty double unit next to BA/BN bar, across from "your bar", if you got your doormen/barkers right you could grab all the customers as they enter the complex from Agate side

Something tells me that Neal was not half as rich as he like to pretend to be, smoke and mirrors Given that he owned the main gay forum at the time it was very easy for him to manipulate a narrative

Bad Boy Billy? or Neal?

i'm pretty sure that his generosity was meant as a back handed slap at the social media beggar!

A large number of Pattaya moneyboys puts up a post on Facebook in the lead up to birthday with a QR code for anyone to send them a donation, and most Thai will be able to take payment by QR code if needed. The non Thais are less likely to have a Thai bank account, mostly down to lack of trust and lack of knowledge on how to open an account My BF sent one guy 5 Baht recently after he posted, said thats all the beggar deserved!

Can't talk about the distribution of hair on the maps, but i have noticed anecdotally: Khmer guys often have hairy chests and calves, but have completely (naturally) smooth thighs, ass and balls Laos guys often have completely smooth bodies and legs, and the it all disappoints when you take off their pants and discover a jungle back and front that even a weed whacker would fail to cut through!