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Is it me or are others finding Craigslist to be a big old waste of time? For a this last weekends trip to SF I contacted 6 different fellas.ONLY ONE responded to my initial inquiry-and he did not respond to a follow up email.I know these fellas must get bore by email tag but If I don't get a phone number in the first response how else can I contact the guy? This is not the first time this has happned=happens all the time to me in Las Vegas. So I am wondering why these guys bother putting ads up if they do not want the buisiness?

I was blessed to be surrounded by many friends this past weekend in Palm Springs California. Joe Buck spent all weekend at some bathouse masquerading as a gay hotel,leaving me(and a very young rooomie)to ourselves. On Saturday night I joined Luckys group at AZUL restaurant on the main drag in downtown Palm Springs.Tere were 14 of us at a long table straticaly placed right next to the mens room! Well there was a group of 4 marines who kept heading to the mens room every 15-20 min's or so-one of which was giving me a look I know all to well-from my many years of sitting on barstools at hustler bars around the world. As we were leaving I went to find this young man to give him my phone number-just in case he was really "working"I went to the patio where his group was but he was not there.One of my party said he had headed to the bathroom agian-this time with his duffel sack. I found the stud in the mens room-handed him my number(wrapped in a $20)and told him to enjoy a drink on me and I hoped to see him later.He thanked me ,shook my hand and introduced himself-looking into my eyes all the time with the sexiest blue eyes I have seen in a long time. After the show-42nd Street featuring Ruby Keeler and the Busby Berkly dancers-we headed to a gat bar to watch some strippers. Imagine my surprise when one of my friends told me the Marines were there! I looked and sure enough-there was Jan Michel Vincent(not quite-but you get the idea)and his buddies with a group of female floozies. Now tell me-WTF were MARINES doing in a GAY BAR getting frisky with WOMEN!!!!! I let him know that my hotel was right next door }( Well the boys were eventually kicked out of the bar for dancing way to dirty with the girls. So a few theories have come up about this:a)The guys had a bet to see which one could get hit on by a fag first(if that is the case I helped little boy blue win the bet) b)They were "wolf packing"and looking for a fag to beat up and rob)or c(my theory)that the guy would have been into it had he not been surroundrd by his buddies. I attended a swell party that our own Oliver hosted and was happy to make some new friends and see some old(and not so old)ones as well.

Like some of us need any help with this! On another board Scott Adler asked in response to one of Lucky posts " >unfortunately I had to miss his Esther >Williams act. ::shielding myself in advance from the gay card police:: Whats an Esther Williams act? I was roomie with a nice young guy this weekend-strictly platonic thank you very much!-and it made me feel so much older than my 47 years.I have always been more interested in things"before my time"and i did grow up in"interesting times"but a lot of the gay cultural references I dropped just got a blank stare or a run to the computer to see what in the hell the old queen is talking about. This is my first experience spending more than a few hours with a guy under 30 in a long time,sigh....I was in bed by 11 both nights to awaken when he was getting in! I used to get a"youth by osmosis"thrill when spending time with younger guys,now it just makes me feel like Mathuzalah!

Marius seems such a tragic figure. When I was managing the Century theatre on Larkin in SF(back when it was a gay porno palace)there was a scifi/fantasy bookshop next door.Anne Rice was a very frequent visitor,but she never ventured in the Century(we really hated it when woman would come in-made the regulars leave in droves)and I chatted with her a few times. I just don;t get into her stuff anymore-she has gone way to Catholic for my taste.

Well Oz that makes me just a little older than you-I read Tales of the City when it appeared in Serial form in the San Francisco Chronicle!I also read lots of those Trashy Gordon Merrick romance novels like The Lord Won't Mind etc. In fact I used an excerpt from Armisted Maupins Tales of the City in my coming out proclamation in high school when I was 16.this was during Anita Bryant's 15 minute of infamy.Here is that excerpt-a letter from Michael to his Mother "Dear Mama, I'm sorry it's taken me so long to write. Every time I try to write to you and Papa I realize I'm not saying the things that are in my heart. That would be O.K., if I loved you any less than I do, but you are still my parents and I am still your child. I have friends who think I'm foolish to write this letter. I hope they're wrong. I hope their doubts are based on parents who loved and trusted them less than mine do. I hope especially that you'll see this as an act of love on my part, a sign of my continuing need to share my life with you. I wouldn't have written, I guess, if you hadn't told me about your involvement in the Save Our Children campaign. That, more than anything, made it clear that my responsibility was to tell you the truth, that your own child is homosexual, and that I never needed saving from anything except the cruel and ignorant piety of people like Anita Bryant. I'm sorry, Mama. Not for what I am, but for how you must feel at this moment. I know what that feeling is, for I felt it most of my life. Revulsion, shame, disbelief—rejection through fear of something I knew, even as a child, was as basic to my nature as the color of my eyes. No, Mama, I wasn't “recruited.” No seasoned homosexual ever served as my mentor. But you know what? I wish someone had. I wish someone older than me and wiser than the people in orlando had taken me aside and said, “You're all right, kid. YOu can grow up to be a doctor or a teacher just like anyone else. You're not crazy or sick or evil. You can succeed and be happy and find peace with friends—all kinds of friends—who don't give a damn who you go to bed with. Most of all, though, you can love and be loved, without hating yourself for it.” But no one ever said that to me, Mama. I had to find it out on my own, with the help of the city that has become my home. I know this may be hard for you to believe, but San Francisco is full of men and women, both straight and gay, who don't consider sexuality in measuring the worth of another human being. These aren't radicals or weirdos, Mama. They are shop clerks and bankers and little old ladies and people who nod and smile to you when you meet them on the bus. Their attitude is neither patronizing nor pitying. And their message is so simple: Yes, you are a person. Yes, I like you. Yes, it's all right for you to like me, too. I know what you must be thinking now. You're asking yourself: What did we do wrong? How did we let this happen? Which one of us made him that way? I can't answer that, Mama. In the long run, I guess I really don't care. All I know is this: If you and Papa are responsible for the way I am, then I thank you with all my heart, for it's the light and the joy of my life. I know I can't tell you what it is to be gay. But I can tell you what it's not. It's not hiding behind words, Mama. Like family and decency and Christianity. It's not fearing your body, or the pleasures that God made for it. It's not judging your neighbor, except when he's crass or unkind. Being gay has taught me tolerance, compassion and humility. It has shown me the limitless possibilities of living. I has given me people whose passion and kindness and sensitivity have provided a constant source of strength. It has brought me into the family of man, Mama, and I like it here, I like it. There's not much else I can say, except that I'm the same Michael you've always known. You just know me better now. I have never consciously done anything to hurt you. I never will. Please don't feel you have to answer this right away. It's enough for me to know that I no longer have to lie to the people who taught me to value the truth. Mary Ann sends her love. Everything is fine at 28 Barbary Lane. Your loving son, Michael" One of the most impactful things i have ever found in literature.

Hey-That is an ex of My best friend!He is pretty stupid-and a snake also1

But I am not looking for anything near the high end.I (was)looking for the type of fella that used to work Polk Street/Santa Monica Boulevard.Numbers/Hunters/Haymarket/Halsted street/etc,,,,That is what turns me on -a lot! I have played with some great high end fellas-but they are not the rare bird these days.A hot trashy bit of trade-who needs help with his rent/car payment is the thing that is the treasure these days. How I do miss the wonderous trade of yore!

My pal the Lovely Brandon Baker has posted some great shots from Hustlaball '07 on his great site partywithbrandon.com Here is one I particularly love-it is from the pool party. http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/1372/...6_Detail550.jpg And please note it was right around frezzing that night. and here is one in which I was in the adoring crowd http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/1372/...6_Detail550.jpg

One of my very favorite persons-Miss Ivins you shall be missed.

Having met Brett Corrigan I just can't see HOW he could be implicated in any way in this-the kid is just not that type-he really is a sweet and very sexy young kid, I sure hope this does not screw up his career. I have met murderers,I have met lots of psychopaths,I have met tons of crazies,speed freeks,drunks and evil hustlers who have hurt-killed johns. I got no evil vibe of of Brent at all. And PS-just so y'all know-I was at the hustlaball party and Scott was most definatly there-in the VIP,and clocking lots of time with lots of cute boys inculuding Brent

Well I remeber trying that"I have to go stand over there right now-bye bye"or wandering off to another person-and having the crazette either star at you all night or follow you(this happens a lot)on the other hand-if they are really cute/sexy then I might put up ,,,,NAHhhhhhh crazy people's babble is lousy pillowtalk-and getting rid of them is tough,,, Havn't tried the pebble in the shoe-crazette would want to examine it to see if it was a radio transmitting device But seriously-there have been times in the clubs of Montreal where a boy will just go on and on -and you are just wanting to get it on with him.I know that has happned to at least three regular posters on this board!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you are in a bar/party/park/whatever and a cute guy starts chatting you up.At first you are flattered/interested but then you discover the person is crazy. How long do you continue conversing/flirting?

I am trying to set up some meetings with"alternative"and kink friendly guys in San Francisco for next weekend. I am using Craigs list pretty mush exclusively for this. Is there a danger of being arrested/prosocuted for solicitation/lewd behavior by doing so?What precautions does one take to avoid this? All of this really makes me miss the glory days of Polk Street!

That is fine,just know that you are being USED for another persons pleasure-and not even getting paid for it :+

Jeez Louise! This has gotten so far off topic! The Friend and I had a little chat.He swears he is not guilty of this-I will take him on his word till I here it from a reliable source otherwise. On another subject.Even though he is NEVER MENTIONED by me in my original post.Scott Adler has used this thread as his personal soapbox/speakers corner.I do admire Scotts fortitude,intelegence,good looks and sense of fun and many other things about him(Deep throating Joe Bucks fat nine inches of tubular love stick without pausing for breath was a thing to behold)I fear that like many young fellas,he tends to be in the"it's all about me!"camp. It isn't. And unless you like to go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and ,,,,,,,"debating"with certain types of folks(so far I count 4 in this thread)is never going to have a "winning"outcome(surprise!) So if the "debaters"in this post realize this-then go at it(yawn)but be assured-there will be no "winner"in this debate.

I try realllllly hard to find a local alternative to charbucks.I even have a motto when folks want to go for Coffee "ABS"Anything But StarBucks. I will not speak the"lingo"when I am forced to buy a coffee there(such as at LAX)and will ask for a medium coffee-and that is all I order as I refuse to pay the outrageous prices for the fancy drinks. Why do both they and Peets insist on ruining perfectly good coffee beans by roasting them till all of the charecter of the bean is gone? I really hate them x(

>I would never presume something is about me but since some >have decided to indicate this might about me ( ) I felt >that I should respond in context. The following will be >responded to under the presumption that has already been made >that Townsend is referring to me. > >First off, I would never indirectly or directly badmouth >another escort no matter what the circumstances or context of >a thread. If you can't say something productive toward the >thread it's probably better not to say anything about another >person rather than denigrate a colleague. I'd like to think >I'm above that unlike some ... just a theory. Even below I >make a comment that could almost be construed as an insult but >it's mostly a clarification. Even though the escort in >question and I no longer see eye to eye, it does neither of us >any good for one or the other to critique the >"value" of the other's contributions to this >community. > >Next, Townsend should know better than anyone especially over >the past couple weeks that he can talk to me about anything >and has thus far. I’m pretty easy to talk to about stuff like >that. In specific situations like this, I would have been >able to shed light on the situations details that aren’t >public that might be relevant. > >The overall theme that I’m noticing here is an assumption that >myself or whatever escort in question is telling these new >boys that they have to charge high rates to be taken seriously >etc. When guys ask me about breaking into the industry I help >them out in whatever way that I can in terms of marketing, >answering questions about protocol, and even discussing their >rates. > >I don’t discuss my rates with other escorts unless it becomes >necessary for a three-way or something. This is part of the >reason. The reason I escort and the reason many boys become >escorts are very different. When people ask what their rates >should be, I tell them what the going rates are for a given >city and that if they need money and intend on escorting as a >sole source of income they should keep their rates in that >range. FURTHERMORE I tell them that as beginners they >shouldn’t expect to charge anywhere near that until they’ve >developed some credibility. > >Three out of the four escorts that I’ve sponsored or promoted >had already been in the industry at their own rates and just >needed a little exposure. One of whom had/has rates that even >I’m shocked at considering his look and after a the Rentboy >cruise I hope he’s started to reconsider. Then there are some >that are young, naïve, and willful that I’m no longer in touch >with that no matter what was told to them and by whom about >setting high rates they’ve insisted on being comparable to me >for their own ego. > >The point is I would never encourage guys to keep their rates >in the stratosphere if it didn’t work for them. If they’re >complaining, they KNOW what they can do to get more business – >it doesn’t take an East Coast education to understand supply >and demand. BN makes a point that at some point it’s no >longer supply and demand; however when starting out, that’s >all that it is. > >In closing … before people choose to jump to conclusions they >really should know the entire story. For a change though, >some in our community choose to attack rather than inquire. Very well put Scott. But please don;t presume that my post was about you-despite Totally Oz's overly quick presumption of the same. I mentioned no names-and am keeping this a "blind" Item. To BN-soap boxes can be pretty slippery places if you are not on sure footing so be careful!

Well that trip to Lagos will just have to go on the back burner! http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/01/011807nigeria.htm It really is time to sponser some embargos and boycotts against many African nations.

Received this in my inbox today WILL YOU KNOW? RF&B is the exclusive destination prize for a new Lifetime TV dating series called “Gay, Straight or Taken”. The show mimics real life! A female contestant has to guess whether the three “bachelors” are gay, straight or taken. If they are straight, the bachelor and bachelorette are our guests in for a luxurious vacation in Las Vegas, New Orleans, or even on a 3 day cruise to the Bahamas. If they are taken or gay, the bachelor is our guest. Will she know if they are gay, straight, or taken? Will YOU know what they are? This is a modern twist on a traditional dating show! Is Hollywood really being run by a bunch of chimps making decisions by flinging their feces at a dartboard?

If I might suggest getting rid of some of the questions in the review form which unless one goes in with a preprinted questionaire one would have no way of knowing-and thus one is forced to guess. I have no interest in whether a guy"parties"or not-and I will not ask him such a question.The same for a lot of questions on the form.If the guy is high I will mention that in the review,the same goes for drinking,smoking,social outlook or sexual orientation.If the guy is "straight"and sucks my dick-great,if the is"gay"and does nothing but lie back(as has happned many a time)you better belive I will mention that-but I won't pry into their personal stuff.If they voulenteer it-well then it is out in the open-If they don't-again I would have to guess on the review form. Also I feel that the safer sex question is misworded and might give other clients a feeling of being "safe"when there is no basis for this. As far as the personal info I usually either check past reviews or the escorts listing-if it jives with what I have experienced then that is what I will put down.

Hmmmmm-such a claravoyent bunch we have here!And just like John Edwards(the "psychic -not the hillbilly holy roller presidential candidate)you fellas are just shooting in the dark. I know and communicate with a lot of working boys-I mentioned no names and would never spoil a confidence between myself and one of these fellas. Some(and please note I wrote some-not all) of the pretty young things that decide to supplement their income by selling some"time" are,like a lot of youngsters,either ego driven or do no have a fully developed logic system yet.We all know youths who like to be flattered-and that has been exploited by pimps,pornograprers,talent agents,and employers for ages. Therefore a bright young thing might just make a big impression on these fellas-to do something that is not in their best interest.The young can be very stubborn to admit they have made a mistake and then go out and fix that mistake. Why should I care?I really don't as I have zip interest in hiring these cute young things-they bore me to tears for the most part-give me a man with a little experience,and one who is not so vunerable as most of these boys.Just trying to make conversation here-this place needs a little stirring up. To Totally Oz-If I wanted to start a thread titled"Rich website owner spoiling it for everybody in otherwise affordable foreign lands"I would have done so ;-) But I belive that was done somewher else far away in a different time.

Well I tried to state things without tooooo much judgement-but I can see your point. My other friends really do not care for one of these guys-and they do not know the other as he is from a different part of my history. I guess I just want things to be a little more smooth-and to get back to having good times with both of these wonderful people.We are still very close-just not the same.and I miss that.

There is a kid I know and like.He is a great guy and probably well worth the big bucks he charges gets for his time. The problem is that he is pretty social with a lot of "working boys"and he manages to convince them that they should charge the same high rates as he does-even if it is not in the kids best interest to do so. There is at least one young fella that is not doing such great buisness at this high rate-and he is honest enough about that-but he refuses to charge a reasonable fee for his services. I am looking right now at two fellas-John in Baltimore http://daddysreviews.com/area.php?loc=6266...=john_baltimore And JasonK in Witchita http://www.men4rentnow.com/ds/index.asp?cm...3&Login=Jasonk4 Both seem great-and both of them are charging very reasonable fees.I bet their phones are always busy wile the boys waiting for the big bucks are kinda hungry-and wondering how the rent is going to get paid. So how do I tactfully tell my friend that he might be doing more harm than good with these fellas-and not everyone is going to be a succesful as he is?

I have two best friends who are going through some "stuff"right now and I am not sure to handle them. First is a long time friend with whom I have a had a long fairly unrequited love affair with.He split with a horrid partner after a very messy couple of years,is making yet another attempt at staying sober(I hope it sticks this time)did a "geographic"to be closer to his bio family and to be in a place he is comfortable in,and has just lost a job.So a minor-not major-bit of a mess right now. Second is my other best friend who is somwhat local.We used to pal around quite a bit together.This year he turned 60 and is really shutting me it it seems.He is insisting on getting his finances in order for retirement,does not want to do any fun things-only cultural stuff-and is pretty depressed.We were planning a trip to Brazil-well he decided he would rather go to some historical spot on Mexico instead with one of his artsy friends.He really needs to have some fun-but is refusing any of myovertures to do "fun"stuff. So I am kinda out on a limb without my 2 best friends right now-miss them and I hope that whatever needs to pass will do it quickly. I know that in a few years I will probably be going through a mid life drama myself and I hope I have a support network out there.

While channel surfing last night I caught Ryan Seachrest interviewing little Leo.Leo TOWERED over Seachrest.So was Leo standing on a box or is Ryan a midget ? If no box was involved then Ryan Seachrest would be just about the right height for talking care of guys of normal heighth. I do love short men-and really tall ones like Joe Buck.