SolaceSoul

As usual, you’re overthinking it. in Brazil, culturally there’s a wide chasm between how gogo boys / strippers view their availability to sex work and how sauna garotos do. It’s like how call girls look down on brothel girls or street walkers. The “I’m not like those other heauxs!” syndrome is culturally ingrained in the variants of sex work in Brazil — maybe because of the culture, maybe because it’s all legal. Maybe it’s a combination thereof. A number of the gogo boys are discreetly / not-so-discreetly available for private dances / programas outside the sauna setting. A client / customer just has to be willing and open to the dance. Whether it’s a worthy venture or not is only for each individual to decide for himself. I do not see how a sauna operator (Junior or otherwise) would add the feature you’re proposing unless there were a clamoring for it from a regular stream of clients. You are probably in a very small minority — maybe even a minority of one!

This concept works in Montreal, but most likely would fail in Brazilian sauna culture. Gogo boys in Brazil aren’t too keen in being lumped in with the sauna Garotos, and any sex work outside of the sauna or club beyond their stage performances would have to be individually and discretely negotiated on a per-client basis. The gogo boys I know in Brazil would not feel comfortable doing private lap dances in tiny booths inside a sauna or public nightclub. Plus, although some of us may cringe, the drag shows are the features performance and the dancers are just guests. There are loyal paying clients who love the dragons. Having private lap dance booths for the performing gogo boys may be viewed as distracting from the key drag performances.

You can expect to pay more for cumming, unless the garoto makes it clear to you in advance that his ejaculation is free of charge to you.

Feminists tend to either ignore male - male sexuality or want to speak for us, as if they know the first thing about us! They need to just stay in their lane.

The Portuguese spelling of nightclub is “boate”.

The OP is most likely referring to the gay sauna in the Bangu area of Rio. it’s called Boate Casa Grande. The address is: R. Cel. Tamarindo, 2520 - Bangu, Rio de Janeiro - RJ, 21840-447, Brazil

First read it when it was published a few years ago (2015 or 2016). “Caribbean Pleasure Industry” by Mark Padilla is another published thesis that’s a good thorough read as well.

The sound of a dragon is my cue to either get a room with my garoto of choice or go relax in the steam room / video room. The only time I want to watch the drag-helmed show is if there is a gogo boy I know will interest me.

For those of us who enjoy the Brazilian sauna culture, there’s actually more to do inside these places other than have sex. It’s usually just tourists and infrequent visitors who make their trips to the saunas a continuous pursuit for sex. I know some clients who go to the saunas regularly just to relax, mix, mingle, drink and enjoy the company of friends, and they rarely do programas.

https://apple.news/AV_K0athxRX2xx8ljxUrrdQ

It’s still open and going strong.

Shit, most Americans, in spite of not fitting the above physical description, do not even make for good marriage material.

From November 2020, Rio news pulled from police bloggers. It reads to me like the clients were super shady — including the Swiss millionaire with the Leblon penthouse apartment! English translation: GAROTO DE PROGRAMA GOES TO ASSIST GAY COUPLE IN PENTHOUSE IN LEBLON, LITERALLY ENDS UP CARRYING A PIPE, AND WHEN HE GOES TO CLAIM AT THE 14 DP IN THE BAIRRO, HE GETS STUCK THERE A 26-year-old boy, who claims to have gone into prostitution to pay child support, was arrested yesterday after going to the Leblon police station complaining that he had not received payment for a program he did on the penthouse in an apartment in the neighborhood, lasting 48 hours with a gay couple. He had an active arrest warrant, since February this year, for not paying the pension to his six-year-old son, which already totals R$ 12 thousand. A Paulistano, he said he came to Rio for "a profitable season". "I'm married, my wife knows what I'm doing. Due to the financial crisis I started prostituting myself. I pay for my college, my apartment and I try to help my son. I paid part of the pension to his mother, but the court still hasn't [completed the] discharge on the warrant," he told O DIA at the police station. Also according to Felipe, who uses that name in the programs, he earns between R$ 10 thousand and R$ 15 thousand per month from this activity. According to the boy, he fell into a trap when he was hired by a Brazilian, who is married to a Swiss. "He proposed to me a sexual fantasy with his husband: he didn't tell the Swiss millionaire that I'm a male prostitute. In the sauna, then, we met and went to the penthouse. They used drugs and I did the job, having sex with the Swiss until 4 o'clock in the morning," he said. The first meeting took place in the early afternoon of the 29th. "At dawn, I was sucked, not eating [fucking ass] anything, he (the Brazilian) only gave me R$50 for the taxi and said he would settle the payment later. Then, three hours after I left the apartment, the Brazilian called me and said: I want to have sex only with you, in a motel," he said, yawning and eating a snack he had ordered at the police station. Felipe then went to the motel, where he says he stayed with the Brazilian and worked for a few hours. It was already nighttime when he wanted to receive payment, but the Brazilian said he could only pay the next day. "The initial program we had agreed was R$350. It was already R$5,000 and he said he wouldn't pay. He started writing on Whatsapp that I was threatening, that I had broken into his apartment, and that he was going to call the police. He said: let's go to the police," he said. Arriving at the 14th DP (Leblon), the two, fighting at the counter, told their versions. The police then sent for the Swiss spouse, who knew nothing. "He (the Swiss) proposed to Felipe to pay half of the program that his husband owed. Felipe accepted. So, we did not record the occurrence for embezzlement. However, Felipe had this arrest warrant open and was arrested ", said an agent. He was detained in a cell at the police station. Before being taken to the scene, he managed to make a call to his wife telling him what had happened. "Little girl, I'm going to have to stay here until everything is resolved," he said over the phone.

Wikipedia says he is 37, but Wikis are user- and viewer-controlled and that’s why you cannot trust them as a source. He was born in 1998. https://www.freepressjournal.in/amp/sports/meet-tiago-ramos-neymars-step-dad-whos-6-years-younger-to-the-brazilian-footballer

Tiago Ramos aka Ivan is also a former footballer — thus, like I said in a previous post, certain guys (muscle gods, competitive athletes, real-life fashion and print models) charge more than “regular guys”. It just is what it is. https://www.republicworld.com/amp/sports-news/football-news/tiago-ramos-neymars-mothers-boyfriend-stabbed-in-the-neck-in-mexico-almost-dies.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiago_Ramos_Fernandes

And for those of you naysayers who are in deep about certain higher-end garotos commanding higher prices in Brazilian saunas, the younger live-in boyfriend / possible husband of the mother of soccer superstar Neymar was getting paid 500 reais at Sauna Boa Vista in Recife — according to the Braziiian client who paid him (“worth every penny!”). (article from June 2020). English translation: 'Worth every penny:' Neymar's mother's boyfriend attended gay sauna as a male prostitute A man told Léo Dias that he met Neymar's stepfather in a gay sauna; know more. per FERNANDO Bhá um ano Tiago Ramos was known for getting involved in several controversies and for currently being Neymar's stepfather. This week, columnist Leo Dias, from the news portal Metrópoles, said that Tiago Ramos would be advertising on a prostitution website in Spain. In the ad, the boy says he's up for going to bed with men, women and even bisexual couples. The boy, however, ended up having another revelation about him revealed this Tuesday, June 9, by columnist Léo Dias. An alleged client of the boy got in touch with the gossip reporter and said that he met Nadine Gonçalves' boyfriend in a famous gay sauna in the city of Recife, in the state of Pernambuco. “I hired Tiago's services at the Boa Vista spa, in Recife. I paid 500 reais and it was very well invested. It was worth every penny” , said the alleged former client of Tiago Ramos when talking about the topic, which had huge repercussions in the media. On the European prostitution website, Tiago Ramos would not use his name. He would have chosen the name Ivan so as not to draw so much attention. In space, the supposed photos of the boy would be in hotter poses, but none entirely without wearing anything. The boy still makes some demands in the ad, explaining how his services work. It is worth remembering that this week an audio leaked by Neymar with homophobic criticisms from the player to his stepfather. In the audio, which could become an inquiry at the Public Ministry of the State of São Paulo, the PSG player calls the boy a “faggot”. A “parça” of him talks about killing the boy who is dating the ace's mother.

@Alaskabear, starting 11/1, Argentina is opening its borders to foreigners with proof of COVID vaccine and a negative COVID test taken within 72 hours of arrival. The return into Brazil requires a negative COVID test taken within 72 hours of re-entry as well. So, what you need to do is: take the COVID antigen test at the Drogaria farmacia in Brazil, and make sure the test is taken within 72 hours of your crossing over into both the Argentine side of Iguaçu Falls AND your return to the Brazil side. Here’s a link with more info: https://iguazufalls.com/national-park/

And I hope a McDonald’s or a KFC never surfaces on the island of Cuba. Dominicans have gotten more obese and less into fitness since the spread of American fast food restaurants on their side of Hispaniola. That being said, the island of Cuba is much more Afrocentric than you may realize. Many of the “white” Cubans or their families left for Miami (and bite like white Florida Republicans), while the black Cubans remain on the island. Black Americans and Black Europeans get treated very well there and are privy to some very interesting private conversations about Afro-Cuban life. The Castros may have been a lot of bad things, but they were very pro-Black diaspora. I actually have a Black American female friend who went to medical school there for free, because she was African-American. Although it is improving a bit, the DR suffers from horrible colorism issues, which manifests itself through a virulently racist and colorist anti-Haitian public policy. Black Americans and Black Europeans are normally insulated from the brunt of this, but we can still witness it and it is troubling. Someone above tried to throw in classism, conveniently ignoring that, especially in Latin and South America, classism and race / color are intertwined.

The Axel TWO is very nice and is a whole lot of fun.

I don’t get the point of your post. Were you feeling left out of the conversation?

Black African immigrants and Arab / Middle Eastern immigrants get treated poorly in many parts of Europe (France, Italy, Spain, especially). Black Americans, at least once it’s known thry are black Americans, receive much better treatment. Black Africans are treated there in Europe like Black Americans (and Haitians) are treated here in the USA. I’m not suggesting that racism against black people doesn’t exist in Europe — that would be a stupid assertion — but it manifests itself much differently there for black Americans than it does here in the USA — where it’s racism on steroids, and everyone has a gun. Well, Principal Joe Clark is dead. He died at the end of 2020. But behind the mystique of his book and movie, he’d always been a super staunch conservative, politically and religiously. I’m not surprised at all that he would express these views to people he had just met on a plane.

I cannot be responsible for how you may receive or process information. a lesson I learned years ago., when I stopped dating women. Facts over feelings. I didn’t realize that this was even a discussion about WHY we like or don’t like certain kinds of guys. But what you said above is all just a matter of personal perception. I don’t see them the way you described them at all, I am “friendly” with a lot of them and their personalities vary just like in any other group of people. That to me is just a stereotype or gross overgeneralization, like “all fat girls are funny”. But a little cockiness in a guy doesn’t faze me much, anyway. One of my travel partners likes them slim and short (with big dicks), and he says one of the turn-ons is they make up for their size and stature by being cocky and super forward and aggressive — whereas when they approach me, I merely find their behavior to be annoying. So, like I said above, it’s all just a matter of perception (we tend to excuse or find attractive the same negative behaviors from the people we like — human nature). This should be a Ted Talk!

Absolutely. black Americans are treated like stars on those continents. I travel to Europe much more than Asia, but my experiences and the experiences of my fellow black American travelers in Europe and Asia are similar in that regard.

Oh, absolutely! And that’s a whole separate, lengthy conversation (that me and my fellow Black / Latine travelers and expats often have). The “advantage”, though, that I was referring to earlier comes with the passport privilege of being black or brown AND American or European. Look, in Rio, I always stay in Ipanema, Leblon, Lagoa or the “Copanema” end of Copacabana closest to Arpoador— the “toniest” areas of Zona Sul — and I physically look like and often get confused for a Baiano, so I often initially get the same treatment that your Brazilian friend did at restaurants and stores. But that ALL changes as soon as I open my mouth and purposely bring out my gringo! One major reason many black Americans enjoy travel abroad and/or become expats is that abroad, we get the “white privilege” with our blue passports (yes, and often dollars) that frankly, isn’t afforded to us in the USA. And the Dominican Republic. I have stories. Boy, do I have stories! Yes, but this is a bit defensive and glosses over the point of my original post. It wasn’t meant to be a judgment about clients’ tastes in men, like saying “my type is better than yours!” It was a factual observation about pricing schemes. The type you prefer are generally going to be in a certain price range (and for those who are looking to save a few dollars, that should be a good thing, right?). The type I mentioned above — the muscle gods, the “Barbies”, if you will (I loathe that term, can they at least be Kens?) — tend to be the ones who ask for (and get) higher prices. It doesn’t mean they are more attractive or better — it just is what it is. I don’t mention names here, because the walls have eyes, and this stuff posted online does get back to the workers, and these relationships are built on trust (and money, too). But I could literally tell you who thr “Kings of 117” and the “Kings of 202” (to a lesser degree, Lagoa) currently are and who they were in the last decade. I know what they charge and what the former kings used to charge when they were on top. That being said, my friends that I semi-often travel with or who come to visit me when I’m there are not really into my type. I’m usually the odd man out. We all like different things. So I get what you’re saying about beauty and the beholder. But that’s also another way I know pricing schemes of different kinds of garotos. Their guys are almost always currently in that $100 - $150 reais range at saunas and never above it.

Do you keep that same energy when you go to Europe? Because RentMen (ad) prices in Europe are the same or more in most popular areas of Europe as they are in the USA.