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The hours of loop of videos at Pnt202 it is, then. A featured show and business as usual. Any suggestions to attenuate Junior’s lament?

I have the good, perhaps rare, fortune of being able to extract what I like about the erotic entertainment/outlet options of two cultural settings. Of course, the potential profitability of a new adjunct in either setting, be it according to this brief discussion or where poutine / feijão can fly, hinges on tradition and attachment to the familiar.

Sorry, @davet, that’s João Pessoa. What’s the one in São Luiz?

Is that Parahyba? What’s it like? —- The host protesteth muchly. It’s a special skill. The ones OK at it tend to keep it on the DL, though I’ve had a few gogo programas on site that I proposed as private dances and where they took the lead for interaction not distinguishable from a typical GdeP encounter, without any upsell. The ones shitty at it in relation to conventional local client expectations there would never [gasp!], as it’s beneath them. But the boundary variation is no different from the performative gradient among strippers in my neck of the woods. They just tend to be express being more flattered than insulted and don’t protest that you might stereotype them as prostitutes.

Good points. I was aware of all these considerations when I put forward the idea. I had actually also recalled that you yourself highlight a proportion of clientele that shows up as a social outlet more for watching than doing. The population age pyramid in Brazil is also quickly creeping up with a greater proportional share of 30’s, 40’s entering mid to later middle age, with presumably a concomitant desire for public venues beyond hire apps. A growing ‘silver economy’ pulling up aging gay men into it. I didn’t suggest that the gogo boy contingent adopt the private dance model or that the stripper/privatedance model would supplant the circumscribed period of time in which the drag/gogo performance occurs. I believe the venue pays a fee for the show. In contrast, integrating the stripper concept would not dip into the house profit margins. There would need to be some segregation between the two stage-gaze performance models and between the private model of programa and private/semi-private lapdance model. One of the reasons I highlighted Pnt202 is that the structure could accommodate this functional split in the same way I have witnessed such activity segregation in several establishments that have multiple floor levels serving clientele, eg Toronto, Montreal, CDMX, Bogotá. In Brazil, it would involve adding the middle ground I described that would live on the continuum between gogonotprostitutebutprostitutionthatmaybebyanothername, and conventional quarta trick. Obviously, the key is finding a new performative breed that the clientele willingly supports financially, and overriding the risk of a JetsSharks-grade feud between garotos and strippers (or streepers and gogos as some of the latter might resent losing private business on the down low). Of course, I could go on and add the house massage w/w-out benefits, &c, &c. If commercial sex work were to be decriminalized in Canada, it would likely be a challenge to integrate a sauna brothel - massage parlour model into a strip club without the functional segregation aspect. I’m not saying it’s easy, but it’s not a stretch to find patron support for a diversity of erotic interactional transactional entertainment. It’s a matter of worthwhile volume. It’s all somewhat moot because Junior’s establishment going under doesn’t affect me. And my proposal is not going to materialize. And then there were 3 …

A turista in Rio was itchy for willing male boîte no boate. Garotos in Bangu, though cute butts in full view, scoffed ‘no este boite we bang you.

… Perhaps two versions of a portmanteau for boa noite, slang-ish for nightclub.

I discovered a few years ago that one of the reasons Sauna Casa Grande (formerly Sauna Bangu), mainly a Sunday afternoon/evening venue, has an elusive social media presence is that it sometimes substitutes ‘i’ for ‘a’ in its nightclub name. https://instagram.com/boitecasagrandeoficial?utm_medium=copy_link

After having been to Toronto and Montreal clubs for years, my experiences at Manhattan NYC venues, CDMX, Puerto Vallarta, Acapulco (though that city’s visits more dated) and GEH Bogotá were a joke by comparison … Kafka-Burl-esque. Almost as if they were trying to reinvent the wheel without the benefit of a solid experiential grasp of how things are best run. That is why I suggested an entrepreneur such as Junior would be better off witnessing it in person. So your points about the feasibility of introducing the concept at Point202, etc are well taken. My suggestion rests partly on my wish for more selection in terms of the physical type that appeals to me as well as my adaptability to a full range of erotic play that does not necessarily culminate in the ‘main event’ that is characteristic of a programa.

I have no sympathy for him and the mindset rigidity that prevents having a stripper/lapdance arrangement integrated into the setting without upsetting the conventional brothel model. Somebody needs to grab him by the scruff of the neck, drag him to Montreal, etc, and show him that his venue structure could accommodate both agendas/playbooks. It’s a mystery to me, what with erotic performative labor including full sex legalized, the middle ground of, say, BRL10 private lap dances by strippers with full evening stage continuity, and said lap dances in a VIP open space (ie, top floor with slow music tracks) or more private booths such as could be the few adjacent small suites up there, has never caught on. It seems to be a major gap, oversight, in Brazil in terms of the continuum from watching/observing to full interactive transactional sex. If I were to rank my top 25 experiences past 25 years there would be both Brazil sauna brothel and northern strip club encounters in the mix. It could be lucrative for the house and local studs willing to meet halfway. I am not referring to the largely play-hard-to-get small contingent of dancers corralled by their drag MCs. I mean physique guys open to removing their clothes and engaging in private physical touch according to the optional boundaries of a stripper club, without the high-level performance demand for full sex that screens out many of them. Strip club owners up here can make a good living without the brothel aspect. The current problem in Montreal is too many at once trying to remain sustainable. He could consider the potential adjunct without much alteration to the space and capitalize on the best of both worlds. It would be a bigger challenge for some of the venues other than 202, but I could envision it there. He could consider experimenting with it without the need of extensive retrofitting. Multi-purpose innovation is the key to survival. Such an arrangement could also open to the door to structured ladies’ nights with a full roster of ‘part-time job’ strippers and lap dances for them. And, OMG, audition nights. For a small sum he could optionally get a one month membership for Stock Bar streaming to get a flavour of the arrangement. Each evening plays into a 24-hour loop so he can view outside of his club management hours. No need for a pole, necessarily. My favourite dancers have often not utilized it and may simply walk around rhythmically without fancy moves.

The tip about taking a picture and "sending to a friend in the DR" sounds like a very good precaution. One I will use. Use the dick for a facial but don’t confuse the dick pic picked from the mixed cache of dicks and facials when you go to send the facial to your theoretical wingman. A wanted dick on a poster is going to conflate the forensic with the desires for end [sic].

Didn’t notice though I live at only 25 metres sea level. But I did not do the fitness routines I ordinarily do at home and I don’t recall my area of Chapinero being hilly. I tend to be more bothered by outdoor heat; it was cool how I like it.

No, Über. But leaving for airport the driver was very nervous seeing a cop having pulled over a vehicle, so there may be some tension about various ride platforms. He alluded to illegality of using Über and conflict with conventional taxi use, so best to research this for future? And no, he was not trying to fleece me for a theoretical ‘risk surcharge’. I have always used Über in Brazil no problem. Not familiar with Cabify.

Only been to Bogotá so far.

My 1-week experience in Bogotá, Autumn 2019, was stellar enough to keep it on my bucket repeat list, from penthouse price to sights to transport app to food to hires. Beyond expectations; it might have set the bar high for an eventual return.

Word to the wise:

Memories, like the corners of my mind … 2 of them in the vid in particular. Sadly was too short a trip and pandemic impeded return plans. So much shorter a flight compared to Brazil. Most of them clean up in the sauna St Moritz one level below it, seemingly same management.

@floridarob and others, is the little weight room at Lagoa operational?

In 18 months I have only seen one or two Lagoa physique guys that I am familiar with from a few weeks prior to March 2020 pandemic onset, on the range of ad sites. Most of the other physique/BB types seem to have always been prominent on the sites and may have occasionally worked Lagoa as well unbeknownst to me. Therefore, my sense is there has not been a mass unidirectional exodus to the sites. Maybe they are not the bimbos they get labelled as, and are scientifically clinically astute as they hold out for their 2nd doses of prime-boost vaxx in 4th quarter. Additionally, my take was always that the ad route is trickier for physique model types and their reputations. I say this without authority as others have been more in tune by virtue of being there recently. ——/- We need to conduct an experiment and have a few dozen board members message the same few hundred local physique models with an arbitrary window of time for winter visits, clearly stating Lagoa as a haunting ground. Then I can volunteer to assess the Lagoa trends in situ there over that period. My accumulated trade budget is insane.

No, the running cumulative total is about 5-fold official reports. That is a constant. I would not equate that with it evens out. I am saying that a daily count of 1 with ascertainment bias correction to 5 is a difference of 4; 5 is 25 with a difference of 20. The differential ratio, 5:1, is constant but one might psychologically minimize the risk difference between a report of 1 versus 5, and the probability of minimally one contagious person in a group escalates according to correcting the undercount. The concept of evened out or smoothed out is not very useful. It might help retrospectively calculate odds of infection over a previous period of time. In the present, risk is based on the current trend. Otherwise, an evened out metric is arbitrary and only useful in terms of its value relative to another entity or pandemic location and whatever is potentially conferred by knowing past info. Similarly, national rates are not meaningful if you are in one region, as I illustrated. Again, the differences between true incidence and observed reported incidence amplify exponentially according to the breadth of reported incidence. That helps explain the apparently large exposure risk differences delineated on the US map. At a certain point according to both comparative incidence and vaccination uptake, a particular location with lower uptake could easily be safer than another location with higher uptake because case incidence is lower in the former than the latter. In estimating such a juncture it is imperative to consider the likely true rate of infection. Vaccine uptake is more accurately measurable while cases and exposure contagion require adjustment due to undercount. Undercount is also considerably variable, needing roughly between 3-fold and 8-fold correction depending on what regional population sampling yields. Current general population incidence rates are now considerably distorted as well because they minimize the true rates among those susceptible to infection. An accurate rendering of those metrics would eliminate a lot of ambivalence about the merits of segregation. In many cases the unvaccinated case rates are as high as anywhere ever while among the vaccinated as low as anywhere ever. That would be fine except for the reality that vaccines are leaky.

… the bigger the cataracts and macular degeneration.

Actually, I thought Cain simply didn’t think it was a bold enough move and would have preferred him all gay … as straight-acting and ‘bi’ cover is so old …. FullSizeRender.mov

You would bring your formal attestation cards/certificates with your name, dob, vaxx product and dose dates, etc, along with matching ID, in the event this is required. Easier than figuring out what location mandates what requirements. What could be simpler? Anyone not fully vaccinated or bringing such documents must be off their trolley. You might not need for boarding or entry, but venues there likely have no way of scanning digital matrix codes, etc.

By any standard, including the least incidence currently Connecticut, exposure risk far lower in Brazil.