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Thanks for the elaboration. Yes, it's not too complicated. I hired a guy (fairly good english, no need for translate) from garotocomlocal on Saturday in SP and met at a motel and it was a fairly good experience (after the initial greeting the kisses kinda went dry, but otherwise good). I was referring to an earlier post, where the poster spoke about hiring Brazilian porn stars who do not advertise as GPs. I should have quoted that, not the response to it as I did "A tip I got from the boys I have been playing with: most Brazilian porn starts accept programas, but they do not advertise as GPs. They will consider your offer is you reach out th them through the social media." I was just wondering, since I don't really know which porn stars are Brazilian, where to find, without too much crossreferencing, a compilation of BR porn stars

Great tip about the porn stars. Is there any site that has compiled which porn stars are Brazilians? (I am only a desultory consumer of porn and I wouldn't know which are Brazilian particularly) Thanks!

Do you think the guys advertising on websites are open to this? They might be wary of time wasters (but it can certainly help the client feel more secure)

I Skipped Sunday and Monday at the saunas because the previous week they were lackluster. Tuesday was pretty good at 117, especially if it would be your first time there. Basically, what I am looking for is guys so far out of my league that I really have no hope of getting for free on Grindr. For me this means tall(ish), muscular, handsome. Certainly hung is preferable, but particularly if he has a beautiful face and is into kissing then I am game (hopefully as an amuse bouche, followed by a hung chaser after). That night I would say there were 6 such guys. Two I had been with pre-pandemic and were some combination of small dicks and bad lays (my compliments to one of them, who unlike most of the guys I saw there 5-6 years ago when I first went, looks as fresh faced and hot-bodied as when I first saw him...sour attitude unchanged as well.) Third one was a guy--I'd say the best looking of all--who I had the so passionate makeout session with the previous tuesday (smallish and pretty limp dick though); I was open to, but not dying for, a repeat, and he seemed to be getting one client after the next. Fourth was the West African-looking guy, who I had been withe the previous tuesday as well as friday and saturday, if I am not mistaken. After really a really great time tuesday and friday, way worse on saturday, not only was he soft, but the passionate kissing of tuesday and friday was all but gone. Earlier in the evening, I had asked him how long he had been working there, he said 5 years, and I asked him if he was tired of it and he said Siiiim. Then, during our encounter I said he seemed bored or tired, and he gave a look like, yes it's true. He seemed kind of tired tuesday so I thought I would save him for wednesday, my last night in hopes he would be back in good form. (as it turned out, he didnt come). At present, at least if you can get him on a good night, he is the best (and sadly, really only that I saw on this trip), combination of beautiful body, very handsome face, big dick and passionate kissing and performance. You can easily identify him because he is by far the darkest guy there, and inexpicably I never saw him go with another client. (maybe the two are related?). Fifth hottie was clothed and ensconced with a client against the wall, did not seem available. Last hottie, with perhaps the most beautiful face of all but not a smile to be seen, when questioned said he had 18cm (he certainly wasn't showing it off) said he wasn't into kissing or condomless. I could have just tossed the $30 on the maybe 10% chance he would be enjoyable in spite of himself, but I passed. 202 on wednesday my last night; it was certainly busy, but alas, not really any top of the line guys. My FOMO is telling me that these have moved to the internet. Sauna veterans may recall the guy with the wings tatooed on his back, who was a regular in the years before the pandemic, as the kind of guy I am talking about. Beautiful body, pleasant face, 9 inches and friendly (he wasn't the best lay, a reluctant kisser and really only wanted to do it doggie and would get soft in other positions, but still I would go with him at least once every trip). Sadly nothing along those lines I would say at the moment that the 117 is markedly superior in quality. In my experience 117 better every night except monday and wednesday, which could effect one's choice of accomodation. Sunday and Monday are pretty skippable. Try to time arrivals to arrive tuesdays. For those who like to look at the kind of men I wish were at the sauna, I can't recommend Forma Fitness (Copacabana) enough. These are tall, big machos with bulging biceps, many in their 30s (which I prefer), maybe not the most chiseled abs but just super testosterone-y. If I was more forward with strangers, I would be tempted to see where I could get with them. ALso has excellent airconditioning. A decouvrir. My last recommendation is Slow Bakery in Botafogo (supposedly also in Ipanema). Top quality 21st century bakery. California-quality sourdough olive bread and pains au chocolat. On my flight now to VCP (yeah, I know, but the days of the $50 sdu-cgh appear to be long gone) so I will put my SP observations in a new thread.

Just a little update... SO when I opened Grindr again after an hour expecting to find dozens of messages with threats if I didnt pay him the full "penalty fare" there were only 7 and pretty subdued (i.e., no threats of violence) Surely, I am not the first to be deeply disappointed by his appearance and hopefully he feels grateful to get the utterly undeserved 265. Oddly his messages truly seemed outraged although maybe it is all a farce. Luckily, he has the distance on on his grindr, so when I could tell he was back home, I left, went to the gym and dinner and made it back without event. I thought about changing accomodation, I have 3 nights left in Rio including tonight, I'm still open to the idea, I'm thinking he's mollified and if he's not the cameras and the rather flimsy doorman would deter him from breaking down my door in the middle of the night, but maybe that is wishful thinking of the same kind that lulled me into inviting him over in the first place. Can't help the self-recrimination of the bad judgment I displayed in getting involved with this guy. I knew, knew, knew not to hire guys from Grindr where they can disappear without a trace, when there are ones with websites, videos, reviews, everything. I feel really bad that I have incentivized this fraudster and bully to keep at this, by giving him 265 reais. Really, I don't even fault the fraud aspect so much, if he would just politely accept that a lot of guys are not going to be into him (some would still be) and politely accept no for an answer. Really, its the bullying that is the most offensive. I'm kind of chanelling fears of the sissy grammar school me in fear of the playground bully. At first I had offered him 50 reais by ap "for his inconvenience" (Ha--what about my inconvenience!?) but it was only after the threats of hurting me that I acquiesced in the 265. That's some really bad incentives there. I'm curious about the counterfactual...what if I had opened the door... What if I had gone through with it? After all, he was no longer the super hottie of the pics, he was an utterly ordinary-looking middle aged man with a purportedly 9 incher. I have nonpaid hookups with ordinary-looking guys with big cocks from Grindr all the time, satisfyingly. It was quite a shock and disappointment, when I was expecting a hottie, but should I swallowed that and just gone ahead with it, would it have at least avoided this bad scene? My guess is that he may not have 9 inches, it would not have been the kind of sex I wanted, and, who knows, maybe he would have robbed me or assaulted me. I can't say it has ruined my trip exactly, but I would say it has turned a trip that was so far in the "very good" range (although maybe lacking of the real "peak experiences" in some but not all of my past trips to Rio) into a trip that "had its ups and downs"

Maybe better to stick to the saunas....After kind of a boring saturday at 117 and having skipped last night (sunday) because it was quiet, I thought I would try my hand at the online escorts. Bad experience, probably mostly my fault. After looking through the various websites, I contacted about 10, of which 3-4 responded, none seemed particularly friendly or keen on the slow suave sex that I like. So many on grindr, one I contacted accidentally (accidentally in the sense that I Grind for free guys, and some profiles it is clear that they are GP, but this one it was not suggested). He looked a little older, which I am fine with, and otherwise super my type and was keen to do what I wanted. I know it's safer to hire off the websites because there there is at least the guys contact info and some trace of him, whereas someone can just disappear from Grindr. So yes I invited him to my AIrbnb price was 250 reais, we were supposed to meet in front of the building. He says no I'll just come up, what is the room number. I told him the room number (huge mistake) but I said meet me downstairs, do not contact the doorman, just tell me a few minutes before you arrive and I will wait for you outside. Well, knock at door and I look through the peephole and it is him (or, rather not the him of the pictures, which must have been 10 years old, but an out of shape version of him, he looks really bad). I really did not know what to do, I don;t have any experience with this. He surely didnt want to meet outside because he looked nothing like the pictures. I didnt know what to do, I didnt answer the door. Through the ap, I asked him if he was outside, he said I had given him the wrong apartment number, I said that was my friend;'s aprtment, I said he had ruined the plan by coming up and now my boyfriend found it. Naively I hoped he would go away. The doorman called on the interphone (I didn't answer, how could I communicate?) He keeps threatening to call the police (for what?) if I don't come down and pay him. He then switched to if I didnt come down he would hurt me. I said I would pay him through an app. Then he said he's going to have the building superintendant come to the apartment (for what offense?). A guy who I guess is the supe knocks on the door, I don't answer (what would I say?) I finally convince him to accept payment online (I guess he's still in the lobby) and now he demands I send him 400, then 500. He accuses me of doing this to other GPs and says I should be punished, that he will call the police because gringos should know that sexual tourism is illegal. I send him 250 plus 15 for uber and I close the ap. I'm sure that when I reopen it there will be 30 messages on there threatening me and demanding the rest. I feel so burned because it was he who was so at fault by misrepresenting himself, yet I paid the full price and I am afraid to leave the apartment for fear of getting beaten up. Yeah, I think I will stick to the saunas (and yes, the non-paid Grindr hookups)

I went to one called Sauna Carioca Catete on saturday night. on the last saturday of the month and maybe another saturday, they have a 'party' nudity required and all the rooms are open (so it's more like an orgy, rather than going to a room with a guy. The crowd was largely middle aged, largely not fit, and I realized that my preception of Brazilian cocks is heavily skewed. I expected lots of monsters but there really weren't. Some quite small. That said, there were 2 guys with hot bodies, and one, handsome face too around 40, as a squeezed by him (it was very crowded) leaned forward to kiss me and we made out passionately for what seemed like forever, probably 20-30 min. Ordinary dick and I think a bottom also, so it didnt go any farther, but still quite a pleasant experience. Uncomfortably hot, some feeble airconditioning, about 80F with full humidity. Condoms given out at entrance but did not seem to be in use

When someone calls me a liar (except maybe for my age on Grindr) I feel a need to respond

Just an update, I probably should have a more organized trip report rather than keep going under this thread After a lackluster Sat-Sun-Mon, Tuesday was back to old form at 117. Like old times, wait for a room at peak time (not so long though, maybe 15 min). The thing that has surprised me most on this trip is that most of the hotties are the same ones as pre-pandemic and few new ones. Tuesday there was one new stunning body, beautiful face, modest cock (about 7). Basically made out with him passionately for 45 min (amazing kisser!). At one point he put on a condom and fucked a little, but not his forte and went back to making out. Another west-african looking guy, amazing body, beautiful face, not quite as eager a kisser but still great. (Would only fuck with condom that night but last night he accepted that I was on PrEP and did it bare, meeting him again tonight) ANd one rather plain skinny white boy with a huge dick, maybe tired by 9pm, but basically wanted me to do all the work, good not great. Wednesday I was expecting a big night at 202. Only one guy with a really good body (a long-time veteran) and as I recall not that good in bed. Didnt have any. Last night thursday so-so at 117, went with the guy from tuesday. Tonight (Friday) my recollection was that Fri is a 202 night (no?) but this guy says that it's 117 tonight so will go there. Besides him, the best part of the trip has been great (free) sex with several 25-30ish guys from Grindr who are kind of out of my league. Happens sometimes elsewhere, but not several in one week. The one yesterday wanted to meet me in front of his hotel, which I though the chance of success was surely below 10%, that in the full sunlight and with plenty of time to reject me it would be a no-go. But in fact, awesome hour-long sex. Been meaning to check out the online escorts but I've been so busy.

I do think that some people do like condoms...perhaps they have been using them for so long that they are linked with sex. Others of an older generation may credit them with saving their lives while their peers succommed and are loathe to give them up. I totally respect guys who do PrEP + condoms, the safest alternative, but I do have something of an issue with guys who do not take PrEP, only use condoms and call PrEP-protected but condomless sex unsafe. (I'm not suggesting the previous poster is doing this; I detect it a lot on Grindr among middle-aged guys in Europe) That is flouting the science. For me, PrEP has been a liberation, both from the fear that was still present with the condoms (breaking or was the top taking it off in doggy...) and also from the unwelcome "barrier" to the connection between me and the guy. San Francisco buses once had promotion for PrEP heralding it as "OUR Sexual Revolution" and I heartily agreed. It really suggests that gays too deserve the condomless sex that was the result of the original sexual revolution. I will admit that the preference is mostly psychological...does it really "feel" that different when the top wears one?....but it is a strong preference indeed. All the more so if I'm going to buy a piece of meat, I really don't want to take it wrapped in plastic. I will....if the guy is otherwise hot enough, but I will take an otherwise a (slightly to somewhat) less hot guy who will go condomless. I take PrEP and so I am not reliant on the veracity of the garoto whether he takes it or not. The only issue where I am a bit concerned is sometimes on a borderline guy (a guy I'm not into enough if he wants to use condoms), when I ask him if he will do condomless, he says no and I decline, hopefully the incentive for the future would be to take PrEP, but I have some qualm that they could be incentivized to agree to condomless without the step of taking PrEP, which while I do take PrEP they could end up in the future incentivized to go condomless with a client who may not be

For the water, I think it's a nuanced answer that it is unlikely to make you acutely sick, like Mexico, and so you don't have to go around worrying about eating say, salad, but it's not a good long term option. As for the saunas, certainly any evaluation of Rio based on Sat-Sun-Mon is woefully incomplete. But so far, pretty lackluster. Sat was a fairly good night at 117, no stunning guys, but definitely some handsome ones. Sunday at 117 and Monday at 202 quite forgettable. The few hotties I had gone with pre-pandemic, and so far the biggest surprise is that (again based only on these 3 days) I have not seen a new crop of post-pandemic hotties. Tonight, tuesday, of course will be the test. While the saunas so far disappointing, the Grindr (free) experiences are more than making up for it. Yesterday morning a 30ish guy out of my league, a body face and cock that would have been well above average had he been working at the sauna. Great sex for free

For those curious, there was an uncomfortably long wait at passport control, flights from Munich and Ams had just arrived before Paris and nearly an hours wait. Still got to Copacabana at 9:15pm, couldve made it if need be. Saturday I met an American guy on Grindr (free); he was 50ish and no washboard abs but had, even by Brazilian standards a huge dick, 25cm by his estimation and I would grant it was 24 anyway. (And unlike so many big dicks that seems to grow large in odd ways it was utterly proportional to a normal dick but supersized) Great multihour sex with him, ruined when I accidentally--and tragically--came. Not only did it end the sex with him, but I wasnt horny for my debut at the saunas a couple hours later. Started at 202 (in my recollection Sat was the one night without a clear winner between 202/117). It was a birthday party with a rather lavish buffet compared to (raunchy) food served in the past. About 25 boys, lots of twinks not much muscle. I waited around a bit waiting for the buffet to open, but that's not why I came to Brazil so at 7:30 I left and went to 117. Clear winner. Old form, about 35 boys at least 10 very good bodies, 4 of which seemed to be cocooning with clients along the back wall of the inside bar. At least 2 guys I wouldve gone with under normal circumstances. One I made out with a little and he assured me he would be there the next night. Just arrived at 117, it's now 6pm, slow still about 15-20 boys, nothing to write home about and the guy from last night not here yet. Still not so horny, darn this 50year old libido that takes days to recover! A few practical info: Gyms: Smart Fit, many locations, 25 reais day, limited early hours on Sat and Sunday. Forma Fitness, rather drearily located in basement of Club Israelite but great equipment 20 reais, a little better hours. Pretty hopeless to find gym in Rio on Sun afternoon (morning possible) Covid test: Pharmacy of NS de Copacabana promoting it, 105 reais, no appointment necessary. SIM Card: spent an inordinate amount of time on this. Registration requirement. major carriers in Copacabana do not handle foreigners, have to go to RioSul Shopping. Instead you can buy TIM SIM card at news agent (12 reais) and call the number pressing 3 for English and give them your passport information. English in fact spoken, was supposed to be active in 2 hours. Wasn't working and pressing 3 didnt seem to do anything but lead to endless Portugese menus. Asked doorman to listen to message and he said I had to get a recharge. (Was my undertsnading that the SIm included some GB but for 12 reais what do you expect. Bought 20 reais recharge and it's now working. Have no idea how long it will last, especially for some reason my laptop does not find the wifi in the airbnb and so to use laptop I am tethering from phone. Or using laptop at 117, rather geekily right now....

I hope this is not a taboo subject. This year we celebrate the 10th anniversary of FDA approval of PrEP. (Yes, indeed, I know that PrEP does not protect against other STIs). One of the initial study sites that led to the FDA approval of PrEP was in Brazil and in my pre-covid trips I found that a sizable minority of free Grindr Brazilian guys were into condomless. (In some cities in my travels such as SF, Miami, London, Amsterdam and maybe Paris, condomless seems the majority position.) I have had a few condomless experiences in the saunas, and one with a garotocomlocal, but it seems substantially less than the free gay Grindr Cariocas. I'm speculating that PrEP is tagged as "gay" and straight/bi identifying garotos don'gt want to take it? Or do they take it but still use condoms?

I'm traveling light with only a backpack and I've long ago abandoned any sense of shame that would keep me from freshening up in the sauna restroom. But, it so happens that on my overnight layover in Paris I met up with a young African refugee who I met last fall on Grindr who literally goes all night (regrettably almost entirely in doggy style, not only my least favorite position but after hours and hours the legs start to give out...) and so I think I will lack both the energy and the requisite desperation when I arrive tonight. Hopefully, I will be fully recovered and ready to hit the ground Saturday night (which pre-covid I recall was the only night without a clear winner between 117 and 202, still true?) I have been to SP several times, although never more than a few days at a time. I always expected as a richer and much larger city it would have the creme de la creme, but on my limited trips to Lagoa (ok, 7 or 8, maybe) I rarely met guys in the same league as Rio

Can I hit the ground running or will I have to cool my heels til saturday afternoon? Arriving from Europe (unlike the usual morning arrival from north america). My first trip since covid and coming on the heels of a trip to Istanbul to go to the (disappointing) Aquarius Spa, (I will be reviewing in the europe forum...) which made me realize there is but one Rio in this world and there is no sense waiting for my planned July trip there. So, I'm eager to get started....I'm thinking I might be able to make to to the sauna around 9? And pre-covid I recall the action lasting a little later on Fri/Sat til maybe 10 or even 11? Just want to get an idea in advance because I have to tell my airbnb host my arrival time (in other words, do I budget for a stop at the sauna "on the way") Subsidiary question...I have 11 nights, which I'm thinking there will be so many new guys in the Rio saunas no need to run off to SP, whose guys (pre-covid) I always found not as good as Rio anyway...but the new Lagoa has piqued my interest. Should I bother with SP or just revel in Rio for my 11 days? Thanks guys!

I'm in France and thinking of taking a few days to visit the Aquarius, um, I mean Istanbul. I like hairy guys. I'm wondering how good is the experience with the guys given that gay sex is so relatively frowned on in their culture, compared to say Brazil. Are they likely to kiss for example? Also I like a long, slow suavecito style of sex; am I more likely just to get 10 minutes of pounding and that's it? And how are the hardness issues? Thanks guys!

Wow, that is a stunning increase percentagewise from when I was there just weeks ago in February (1000 pesos for him, boys starting at 2500 for the nonmuscular, to 3500-4000 for the more muscular.) He seems to have switched from pesos to dollars and baked in an over 50% increase. At these prices, you needless to say, are way beyond Brazil and about the same as Barcelona or Madrid--where you will find most of the guys are from Latin America--and a place markedly more appealing in many ways to spend a week than Santo Domingo. As noted elsewhere, I was not terribly impressed with Manny's guys, even at the old price. I wonder if in some way he saw you as an easy mark and his prices vary? (e.g. I didn't try to speak English with him) In any case, endlessdream, if you can stomach the long flight and a certain amount of Brazilian danger (some statements here that one just needs to be careful in Rio "as in any big city" I would say minimize very significant differences compared to say Spain, where guns are extremely rare) you need to try it.

I was there last month, and for one of the world's largest cities, it was pretty ho-hum I met one escort from mileroticos who was from Uruguay/Argentina. Beautiful face, very tall, great body, nice big dick, nice guy, terrible in bed could barely get hard enough to insert. Seems to be a lot of escorts from Colombia. From the best looking guys online I would get very sporatic replies, like days later, or not really answer my questions. Some that did reply would kiss, only one would bbk. I have a WhatsApp from Croatia and then a few days into the trip I got a Mexican cell number that I sent texts. Prices were about 100usd for the real good ones although there was one that wanted 350usd. The $5 Mex SIM yielded lower price quotes. I stayed half the trip closer to downtown, (free) guys on Grindr noticeably darker there than the second half of the trip when I stayed in Polanco. In 10 days I got diarrhea twice (which certainly dampen's a bottom's sex trip, and one of the 2 times became so ill I was in bed a day and a half. C'mon Mexico--it's 2022. Much poorer countries (e.g. Egypt) while not advisable for long term drinking at least have solved acute problems. And no I didn't drink the water per se, so it mustve been even small amounts on lettuce or something. I too have been casting about for closer and safer alternatives to Brazil (and by Brazil, really, I mean Rio) but CDMX despite other appeals seems not the best for that.

Maybe something got lost in the chronology, but I'd have to venture that these last few hours as I wait for my delayed flight at SDQ are to be my last in the RD, except maybe in the airspace on the way to Brazil. I really do like Brazil, or really Rio I should say, or really Carioca men I should say...I have not been there since the pandemic, I miss it and I plan on going in summer/their winter. I does concern me that out of maybe 20 Brazilians I've met in other countries in the past year, all save 1 have said that Brazil has become significantly ever more dangerous even since the pandemic. Not really sure what to do with that information.

So my last thoughts, as I still wait here 4 more hours for my delayed flight, are much more general, and maybe someone who has undergone a similar journey may have some insight. I have a great husband, but this is about sex, not love, which in the (older) gay context are so often so independent. As I get older and older, I know I need to transition to a paid model of sex. Yes, I'm cheap, yes, it pains me to pay for something I can get for free, but it's so much more than that You know, at least for me, it is such a pale pale pleasure to be turned around and fucked doggy by an escort so that he doesn't have to look at my face....compared to making out, looking into my eyes as, he breeds me, missionary, making me have to think twice that oh, yeah, he is doing this for the money, not because he had me thinking maybe, maybe he was actually turned on. Same with a free guy, who is not as good looking as the escort, but really fuckin wants my ass (like the 20 year old described above) Yeah I'm 50, I need to transition into a paid model. It's so hard though. Yes, it takes ever more time and yields ever diminishing results. But every so often, every so often... There's a French movie about a 50ish female professor who develops an obsession with catfishing a college boy, as told to her 50ish female psychiatrist. The psychiatrist corners her, "You like it when men find you attractive, don't you?" to which she ruefully replies something to the effect of "It is a profound pleasure, and so difficult to surrender." Can I transition to a paid model, spend less time looking for sex, and still be anywhere near as satisfied with it? There was a guy at the 117 I used to have amazing times with and I told him you know, you are either Brazil's best actor or you actually enjoy having sex with me, even just a little bit. That kind of simulacrum, or the one I had on the first of the 2 nights with the Dominican hottie, that, that I think I could transition to. But, this seems both possible yet so difficult to find, how could this save time or effort? So many years ago, I was an escort myself, you would have thought it could help clear my thinking today. No way would I make out with the clients, except the 1% who were attractive. It's so incongruous what I offered then and what I seek now. Yet, to just turn around and take it doggie while I face the wall, it's just too bitter a pill to take

So last day, I go for a walking tour with a member of the white elite (lawyer; not hung), by 10:30 miserably hot (for me) so back to the AC. I engage with Manny half heartedly and he sends a few guys' pics, but I mean after the guy last night, they are neither as attractive in face nor body. Ho-hum. The friend of last night's hottie hits me up asking for an additional bonus to the 1000 additional he says he received last night (um, remember that I gave the hottie 2000 for him; I don't know which of the 2 is lying but I tell him it's between the 2 of them to work out). He asks if I would like to see pics of any of his other friends. His friends are actually just as good as Manny's guys, although Manny is very affable and this guy leans toward creepy. None compare to last night's guy (whose Whatsapp he gave me last night and which I am planning on using). I actually go to Juan BinBin in the afternoon (I sooo much prefer this model, which I think the internet and pictures can never replace, plus also safer...) Nothing too special there, I ask one guy if he kisses and if he barebacks and he says yes, but he walks in with condoms and doesnt want to kiss (there is soooome possibility he didnt hear my questions as I try to ask them quietly enough so that the others don't hear) but I ask to change guys. Good ol Federico, who had stepped out is now back, so I switch to him. He's kinda having an uninspired go, and certainly he is way beneath the league of last night's guy, so pretty meh. I hit up last night's guy and my best friend is like ask him his daily, weekly and yearly price. My flight leaves at 6am (or I should say, it was scheduled for 6am) so I propose 8pm-3am. He says what will you give me. I propose 15000 (which is not much more than the night before's compendium of fees) and we could go out to eat if he likes and the full leche (not just the kind of like yesterday). Surprisingly he accepts and does not try to drive the fee higher (not yet anyway....). I have a couple of free Grindr guys (including one of those short skinny 9-inch guys which does a good job) and look forward to my 8:00 appointment. Not that I actually expect him at 8, though he's actually set to arrive before 9. He texts that he's almost there and we can go to a certain restaurant and he's very hungry. Well I'm hungry too but not for food and I can see this meal dragging on late and him saying he's too tired/full after so I say well, just a half hour upstairs and we will build up an even bigger appetite. He says he's arrived and I go down to find him--and his friend. WTF. Friend renews his incessant pleas for more tips. No mention had been made of him coming. Yuk. I decline request for further tips. Hottie gives his ID to reception (btw new system compared to last year, which is a little embarrassing for the slutty compared to the previous free-for-all, but actually better because more safe. ) In the room, he plants himself on the bed, gives me a granny kiss and starts trying to get the TV to work, and after trying for an extraordinary length of time, retreats to his phone. Declares that he's starving and asks if I have Uber Eats. I don't so he orders some food--from his friend, who luckily is still lurking in the area. Getting pretty crestfallen--so this is how boors spend their evenings. Then he asks how long was I wanting him to stay. Um, yeah, 3am like we had worked out earlier. He's like oh I know you said you had to leave at 3 but I didn't know you meant me to stay all that time. he backs away from this but says he didn't realize how much time there was between 8 and 3, which he then calculates on his fingers as 6 hours. He says for that price he can stay until 11. (It's already 9:30) I say, well we haven't done anything yet, if this is not worth it for you, I think you should leave and I get up and open the door. (I'm kind of scared tbh and this is one reason i think it's better to stay in a hotel, despite the discomforts, than an AIrbnb.) He turns conciliatory and is like baby, I don't want you to be upset, etc. The meal arrives and it falls on me to go pick up the 2 hamburgers from the friend outside--for 2000 pesos (from the Styrofoam containers these did not appear to be $15 hamburgers) After eating, it does turn to sex and about 20 minutes of really awesome sex. Unlike yesterday, dick was rock hard for this and it's extraordinarily large and thick (it's even outside of my range of confident estimation). The only position I ever have pain is doggy and I'm actually getting a little (hurts so good) pain from missionary. I suggest we turn into the kind of side by side position (I never know what to call it) in part because dicks often go a little softer in that position. Unlike missionary though, his hands are free to use his phone, which he does, it's still pretty hot (although rather impersonal) that last about 20-30 until he declares he's tired, pulls out and closes his eyes. That's pretty much it. It's about 11pm. Considerably less sex than the day before, and well, anticlimactic in every respect. I would've been so much better with just an hour. Can someone explain paying for an overnight? As if the guy is going to wake up every few hours and fuck you because he's horny or something? That seems implausibly optimistic. The overnight seems to nix incentives for good performance (compared to start with an hour and go from there.) I really don't have any experience with this and really neither does my best friend whose idea it was. When alarm went off 2:30 i tried to rouse something up, but of course no incentive for that. And by the way, don't count on an Uber to the airport, at least not at 3am. It keeps connecting you to the same few people who uniformly refuse to take you unless you pay 3x price off-app. Kind of a parting insult. Although I must say the AA (female) counter agent made such goo-goo eyes at me, I did melt a bit from my so thankful I'm getting the fuck outta here. All in all, it is tough for me to understand threads with titles like "48 hours of pure pleasure" Am I just going about it so wrong? I can concur that there is pleasure to be had--and intense pleasure at that--but pure?? No. It is leavened with a large amount of displeasure, inconvenience, even some fear. I must dissent.

Waiting for my 6 hour delayed AA flight in SDQ so I have plenty of time to expound. So the next day, met another one of Manny's guys. Pretty good guy, pretty good sex, bb, certainly much better than the other 2. I remembered thinking at the time it would not be like one of my Brazil experiences that I remember months even years later, but after what happened later in the day, I can honestly say I hardly remember anything about it at all. I do remember the price 4000 plus 500 tip plus 1000 to Manny (according to him, the widely quoted 2500 applies only to skinny guys or maybe I'm just an easy mark. On Grindr a lot, I really do (still) prefer the thrill of a guy who wants to fuck me versus one who is supporting his granny by doing so. Also many guys offering for money (called "prepagos" (prepaids") Nearly all of these guys have nothing to offer besides a really big dick, and I can still get a short skinny guy with a really big dick for free (a blondish muscle bottom, even an aging one, still holds considerable appeal). Mostly just ignore these guys entirely. One hit me up with a possibly beefy body under a tshirt but no shirtless pic. He offers a video chat, takes off his shirt to reveal a flabulous body and I politely decline saying that I am into guys with more athletic bodies. A bit later he sends me a pic of his "friend" and says "like this?" WHOA! YES! YES! Exactly like this. After looking at one pic after another of Manny's passable guys, here is a guy with a solid 9/10 body and 9/10 face with a very handsome welcoming smile on his face. But yes, I was not born yesterday. I am like what is the chance that a second-hand advertiser from Grindr is going to be a successful match? Like 5% or less, which a much higher than that percentage that he will rob me. Quote is 5000 plus 1000 for him. I ask questions, waiting for the fault to appear. I say I'm into passionate kissing with tongue, the guy looks hetero so he's probably not into it. He says he is. I say I'm looking to take it suavecito for a full hour, not 15 minutes of hard doggy (they call it "a 4" like on all 4s). He's into it. I say are you saying he's into it or are you actually asking him if he's into it. He says the guy says he's into it. I'm really looking for a way to eliminate these guys, who are surely scamsters but everything keeps coming up roses. This guy--or this fantasy of a guy, probably--is really the guy I'm looking for. I assent to have them come over. A digression, American/Canadian/European whatever you want to call it standards of time have no application here. With the result that unless you want to spend A LOT of time waiting around you need to double/triple/quadruple book. This at least is initially very stressful for me, especially when, 2 hours later, several guys turn up at once. I'm not so much for 3 ways, (which is one solution) so you kind of have to pick the best ones and hit the others with "emergencies". I would never do this in North America, although I have resorted to it in Spain. Tip: when people say they are on their way or "almost there" (haha) make them send their location. Anyway, the guy and his friend show up about the same time as 2 guys from Grindr (including a 20 year old with quite handsome quite athletic pics but modestly endowed). I meet them in front of the hotel and the guy is HOT. And smiley. We do some conversation on translate in part to confirm he's into it. Friend is jockeying for more than 1000 and he wants 5000 plus tips if he does a good job. I'm ok with the incentive-type payments for him and I say if he does a good job Ill also give him an extra 1000 for his friend. In short, he does a great job, pretty much all you could hope for. Really outstanding. Even starts with a condom, but with my only condoms the normal size, oddly the only ones for sale at the pharmacy across the street, he abandons it. I don't even know if I had inquired much at all about his dick because he was so handsome but yes, everything you could ask for there. AT times not super hard (probably in part from me not liking the hard pounding) but very big dicks not super hard are actually quite appealing. After about 45 minutes he starts jockeying for me to give my "leche" (milk) which I have no interest in ending. I say what if he goes for another half an hour, I give him 10000 and he gives me his leche. Some haggling ensues with him inside me. He says it's already 5000 plus 2000 in tip (true) so therefore 13000 (makes no sense). I hold firm at 10000 and he assents but it does seem to take some of the wind out of his sails. After about 20 minutes he starts jockeying again for me to give my leche (i.e., end). I jockey for him to give his, he says he already came a little (of which there is some evidence.) Great time kind of end with a whimper not a bang as he gets up and starts taking a shower. I give him 10000 plus another 2000 for his friend. So, still not having had my big bang, I get on Grindr and the 20 year old has sent like 5 messages, the most recent just a few minutes earlier that he was leaving, but I msg him with my renewed apologies about the "emergency" and he's nearby and so he comes back. We actually sit on a bench outside the hotel and talk a bit (its dusk so getting less oppressively hot). He's pretty hot, pretty masculine, handsome face and since he didn't jump up from the bench to come in the hotel I have my doubts/insecurities he's into me, 2 1/2 times his age. Finally, I ask him up and he heartily agrees. Like I said modestly hung, but rock hard and gives his leche pretty quick. Nice experience and of course, nice validation by a 20 year old. I'm done for the day.

So let me update on how its going so far. I arrived yesterday and met Manny yesterday afternoon. He's a very nice friendly guy. He made it clear to really tell him my preferences and I did...tallish, muscularish (certainly I don't need bodybuilders), and perhaps most importantly a good attitude and someone who will do it suavecito, not pounding. I didn't know whether I should mention my preference for bare (The most important thing for me is the quality of the guy, and I don't want to be limited to those who bbk) but he seemed very openminded so I did mention that it was a preference though by no means a necessity.) He showed me about half a dozen guys, all solidly attractive and muscularish, all I would say were Black. I didnt have a strong preference among them, and he said he would look into who would be available. Later he met me at Pacos with the guy (who I don't believe was one of the ones he had showed me. 1000 pesos for Manny plus 2500 to the guy. This is my message to Manny afterward: Hola manny, I’m definitely eager to meet more of your guys, although I have to say that one was not such a great start. On the good side his Dick was nice and big, but I would not say he was so friendly or interested and he fucked for only like 10 minutes (not suavecito even tho I asked him) and only with a condom. After 10 min he took it off and shot. It wasn’t awful or anything, just kind of boring, and I make the criticism more so we can make the next ones better😎 I have heard such good things about your men, I want to experience what they have to offer. Thanks! Manny very cordial and expressed frustration at the guy. Resolved to do better the next day. In the late afternoon went to Juan Bin bin. These are not Brazilian quality guys. The tallest is 5'9. There was a guy Federico I had met last year and had an amazing time with, despite not being my type really (I doubt he weighs more than 120 pounds!) he really did sex amazingly well. He was there so I went with him, although there were a couple guys there that caught my eye. (When a client comes they assemble to meet you; there were 5 there, they are actually more varied racially, one white hispanic, one looked native american, 2 latino hispanic and one black) Amazing sex with Federico again and then well, I confess I went for a second round with another guy, and pretty darn amazing too (not as good as federico and didnt kiss, as federico does passionately, but well done. 3000pesos each for those keeping track.... Good fried chicken on the way home (facing parque independencia) I'm not all about sex, ok This morning, Manny recommends one, he says is tall and muscular. But these types want more. He says he wants 5000 but will take 4000 (plus 1000 for Manny). Here's my message to manny after that one: Hey man. Really super nice guy, very handsome, nice personality, tried hard to please. He even kissed a little which was great. He was really perfect...except the sex. Sadly, he couldn’t really get it very hard and he tried many times and it was barely hard and never more than 30 seconds would last before it would come out and he would have to try very hard to make it hard again. He was a very nice guy and he tried many times but he just could not get an d stay hard to do the work. It is a pity because I was very attracted to him and he was a super nice guy😪 I hope you will not think I’m hard to please (maybe I am) but to get hard for the penetration it’s a minimum😎 I offered him some viagra, it would have been the perfect solution but he did not want it. Really he’s very good—except for the one important thing😪 Worked out at Colonial Gym (100 pesos, the best bargain in town!) Wish some of those guys were on Manny's roster. Will try again with Manny tomorrow....

I contacted Manny in Santo Domingo and Ezequial in Punta Cana. Manny was very friendly in his replies, hasn't sent any pictures yet. I'm hesitant to push for the pictures yet, since maybe he's worried about pic collectors? I am curious about what kinds of guys to expect. Certainly from BlkSuperman's twitter, enormous endowments are a given, but I am curious about faces and bodies. Most of the guys on his twitter seem to be quite lanky, with the one called Manaconda having some muscle on him. For my taste, I'm willing to give up an inch or two for good bodies and handsome faces (and good attitudes, for that matter...) Ezequial was slow to respond and eventually his assistant Rose responded. She sent me clothed pics of 3 guys. They were pleasant looking fellows, though I wouldn't say they are really the machos I'm looking for. They were young (I'm pretty open on age) but also pretty lanky and at least through the clothes didn't seem to have any muscle to them. I asked her if she knew their height (I prefer taller) and endowments were and she said she would get back to me. Can't really say that I would bother making the trip from Santo Domingo to Punta Cana on the basis of these guys. Have any of you guys met Ezequial's guys? If any of you guys have any feedback of what to expect with Manny and Ezequial's guys (especially if tall muscular guys are available), much appreciated. I know this is not Rio's 117 Island-version so trying to keep my expectations in check