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Salt and Pepper Restaurant in Pattaya: Important News
TotallyOz replied to TotallyOz's topic in Gay Thailand
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The wonderful owners of Salt and Pepper in Day Night 2 will close on Wednesday this week (for one day only). The Thai lady owner's family had a horrific accident on Saturday. Her sister and 2 nieces were killed in a car accident. They were from Rayone but were coming back from Korat. I had seen the news coverage of this but did not realize this was their family until today.Mr. Z and his wife are two of the most incredible people I have ever met. My heart goes out to them.It is a very sad time for this amazing group of people.
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I'll admit that I love Breakfast and I think it is a very important part of my day. I get up early and I like to eat early. Pattaya is a gay party paradise. There is simply no place on earth like it. It has every thing a gay man can desire here: sexy guys, great gogo's, a plethora of like minded falangs, an infinite number of secret little hidden gems that people know only by word of month or just happen to wander by. Well, for a few months, I'll try to find some of these little gems in my desire to find a great Breakfast place. I'll test many. I'll love many. I'll hate many. My opinions are only that. They are opinions. I hope everyone realizes that I grew up in the deep South in the USA and to me, good Breakfast entails Biscuits and sausage gravy. I have yet to find that in Thailand but I'll keep searching. I'll try to find 20 decent places in Pattaya that I would be happy to eat in again. I'll rate these on a scale of 1-5 with 5 being the best. Here goes: Stop 1: Grottino's Bakery in Soi Day Night 2 I have eaten at Grottino's Bakery quite a bit over the years as I use to live directly above the place and they open very early. They serve good coffee. They have a host of regular clients. They are German/Swiss owned and they have a large German clientele. I am not German but I have always felt welcome and comfortable in there. Today, I had the Breakfast Special for 150 baht. This included 2 fried eggs, several small pieces of bacon and a bread basket. The food was tasty and good. It was served fast and it had a very pleasant look to it. Grottino's is very clean and the chairs are comfortable. The staff has always been friendly and quick to take orders and deliver food. It is located right in the Day Night 2 area directly across from Pattaya's best Thai food at Salt and Pepper. You will notice Grottino's by the big penguin out front. It is easy to notice and the bakery has lots of signage. Overall, I liked the food at Grottino's. They have some great hash browns and some German delicacies that I have not seen to many places but for today, I attempted to try just a regular Breakfast special. It tasted good and the service was fast. The cost is very reasonable at 150 baht. A soda is 45 baht. All day breakfast, snacks and Swiss dishes from 07.00 to 19.00 hours Selection of breads, pastries, Swiss cheese, fondue, cold cuts and sausages at the retails shop Tel. 038-723-150 I would give this place a 3.5 out of 5.
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I have not seen this book. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I am from an area very close to Nashville and have many friends from there. I don't think true evangelicals will ever change fully. I am constantly told by my friends in that part of the world they love me but hate my sin. LOL These are people I spent most of my childhood with and know that I am a good person. Churches change over time and I have seen the sermons change from "gays are going to hell" to "we love them as long as they don't practice." It is pretty typical of this area and the religion they were taught is "the way." I still enjoy my church back home and I still go there when I am in town. I am totally welcome with hugs and kisses from everyone and everyone knows I am a big gay guy. They do not care to my face. What they say behind my back is often different. I was lucky. I had a very loving and caring mother who when I told her I was gay at 28 was pissed at me not for being gay, but for lying to her all my life. She was totally open and accepting and visited me and the BF's in NYC every year. My BF was always welcome in Alabama for Xmas and was a true part of my family. My aunts and uncles never mentioned the word boyfriend. The would always say, "is your special friend coming for Xmas?" LOL To this date, they always think of him as a special friend and not a boyfriend. When I brought my two VERY conservative aunts to Thailand many years back my boyfriend spent the entire 3 weeks with us touring around. My one older aunt (near 70) looked at the younger one on the plane ride back to USA and said, "what are we going to say about this boy in all our photos?" My younger aunt said, "hell, I am going to say this was Michael's boyfriend. He was good to us and that is the end of it. You tell them what you want but I'll tell them the truth." LOL Still, that was 10 years ago and both Aunts always ask about him and have fond memories. All my Aunts visited NYC with my two long term boyfriends there and loved them. They all still go to very conservative Christian churches and still love me very much.
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FourAces, I came out at 28. But, I came flying out the door! It was massive and I had to tell everyone. I have never regretted it and I love being open and honest with friends and family. I have no regrets about this at all. I was not in in 50's yet but I think the same principle applies. Only you know what it will be like but I did loose some friends but looking back, they were not good enough for me anyway and I gained much more in the end. I wish you well in whatever you decide! Hugs and kisses, Oz
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HeyGay, thank you for the story. I read the headline and thought you were referring to me at first but then knew you didn't think I was German. But, as I saw your boy and you eating the other day, I almost stopped and had a drink with you. I have the opposite of this happen to me all the time. I am sitting at the beach and all these damn Thai boys see me with the BF and think I am a slut and available. Don't they know I am here for the great beaches and fabulous museums? I just don't understand why they keep hitting on me in front of the BF. I so see your point and as someone who loves beauty, I know you have great taste in boys. Consider this a compliment from the German guy and let it be that. There are so many rude fuckers around the world that he is not worth your time or energy. I am sure your boy is loyal to you as I know you treat him like a superstar.
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This year, the most attractive, most beautiful transgender ladies from more than 20 countries will join this pageant for the chance to be crowned the 8th Miss International Queen. First, for those that have never been to Tiffany's, it is a true must see if you are in Pattaya. If you have been, these events are always a great deal of fun.
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How much time do you spend when you visit a gay GoGo Bar in Thailand?
TotallyOz replied to TotallyOz's topic in Gay Thailand
You can have the nicest bar or earth or a shit hole but in the end, it will have customers if you have sexy guys there. I think back to my time in Sao Paulo and there was this Sauna that was in the middle of the big city but about 45 min drive from the downtown. It was in the middle of a neighborhood. The short time rooms were filthy and the place was very old and outdated. But, on weekends, all the neighborhood guys came out to work and they worked no where else. I would hire a taxi time and time again that would take me there and wait for me and bring me back to hotel. The only reason was it has some of the hottest guys I had seen anywhere. The same would be true for Thailand. You can spend a great deal of money on a place and have it looking and working great but in the end, it needs hot guys there to fill it. For me, it only takes one guy and I'm happy. But, when I walk into a place to have a drink and there is no one on stage that I would be interested in meeting or having a drink with, it makes me feel bad about the place no matter how beautiful the place is. -
Tonight, I was on a mission. I met a guy a few nights back with Firecat who said he was new in town (who knows) and he was very limited in what he does. I told Firecat that I'd give him a week and go back and I did. He was very happy to do everything I wanted from him and I was thrilled so I took him off. He was extremely sweet and affectionate and while not a great kisser in the beginning, he turned out to be really great. I took him from an area of Pattaya known as Boyztown and a bar called Funny Boys. The off fee is 400 baht and the cost for a short time is "up to you." Most people pay 1-2 k baht for a short time. I gave him 1500 and some taxi money. Drinks in the bar were 150 baht each. So for 2 drinks, his off fee and tip, it cost me 2200 baht or 70 USD. I thought he was adorable and I loved his hair. LOL And, yes, he is 18 years old with ID that I checked but also, I know this bar very well and the mamasan and the owner owns 2 of the best places in Thailand and would never risk the business. Funny Boys had nice low music, about 45 boys and a wide variety of guys to choose from. The seats are comfortable and the bathrooms are VERY clean. It is a very well run establishment and it is next door to about 4 other gay gogo bars and 3 massage places and 1 street over is another 10-15 bars. If you can't find someone of your liking here, you are lost to the world.
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I was out with a friend last night in Boyztown and the pickings were slim. I think the rain played a role in the lack of boys in many of the bars. We looked inside several places and decided not to sit and have a drink. The bar we did enter was pretty lackluster and we did not stay very long at all. The experience just made me think of how much time or lack thereof, I spend when I go to a bar. There are a few bars, like Nice Boys, that I really enjoy and can sit for 30-45 min and drink and relax. If a bar has a show, like X Boys in Pattaya or most of the ones in Bangkok, I can stay and watch the show and really enjoy it. But, if I want into a gogo bar in Thailand and there is no one on stage that interests me, I am ready to go in less than 5-10 minutes and on to the next bar. I know that are some that can sit in one bar for 4-5 hours or longer. But, I am very curious how long most members here sit in the average gogo bar. How long do you stay? What makes you stay? What makes you leave? What makes a bar good for you? Do you enjoy the shows?
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Be careful! You have been warned. I was sitting at the greatest restaurant in Pattaya, Salt and Pepper, in Day Night 2 and a customer was telling me about how he was pick pocked by a gang of ladyboys who get on the baht bus with bags and try to distract you and pick your pocket. That very night, a good friend was in front of the Central Festival area when a group got on the baht bus with him and they tried to go inside his pocket. I had heard this is rampant on Beach Road. So, be careful!
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The one on the left worked in a bar in Sunee Plaza called Crazy Pub. It was a JO club. You would go in and put 100 bath into a cup and the first boy to JO got the money. I got a crush on him and went every day for a few weeks trying to entice him to go outside the club with me. Finally, after a month or two of him saying no, one day he walked up to me in the street and said OK. We were great ever since. The one on the right did not work in a bar when I met him. He was into selling of illegal substance in the area and I saw him get into a fight and I wanted to meet him as I loved the way he fought and argued. I made him an offer he could not refuse and as he had just had a baby he wanted to get out of the business he was in and change his life. He did. Neither spoke English when I met him and now they both do. I sent them both to English school as a requirement of staying with me and I asked them both to go back and get their High School GED. Both did but it took him 4-5 years to do that. One is in University right now and the other is looking for a new University or school. I find most Thai boys are very good at reading whether a foreigner is going to be good to them or not. Back when I met them both, I had about 3-5 other guys living with me and they saw how well I took care of the other guys and they wanted to be a part of the "family" or "party." These 2 have lasted through all the other boys that have lived with me over the many years and both have been great to me. I hope that gives a bit more background on the guys but also on why I love Thailand so much. Because, you really can make a difference in the life of the guys here but also, anything is possible if you are patient and kind to them.
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They did not know each other at all. They are not a couple when I am not here. Both have ladies they live with when I am away and they go home to visit from time to time when I am in Thailand. Both are straight but have been wonderful to me. They are both very loving, great at taking care of me, great sex and I have no doubt love me a great deal. But, loving me is as much as 2 straight guys can love a gay guy double their age and 4 times their weight. I have always been pretty up front with boys I see. I have expectations and when met, I am very good to them. These 2 boys have a great life for Thai standards or just about any other standard but I am a realist. They have both stayed with me in ups and downs and have always gone above and beyond anything I ever expected of the guys. In return, both have gotten an education and both seem to really enjoy when I am in Thailand. It is perfect for them as I have zero jealousy with regard to their ladies and I have meet both gals and they realize when I am in Thailand I am priority. Does this sound odd to you? Maybe it does. But, it works for me.
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I had a great time at The Avenue's newest Pool hall, VIP Pool. It is great and a wonderful place to take your Thai boyfriend or a group of sexy guys for a relaxing day or evening. The new pool hall boasts 14 pool tables, and is open from 11 am – 2 am, and offers drinks with reasonable prices. The hall is open daily, and the hourly fee from 11 am – 6 pm is 150 baht, and from 6 pm – 2 am is 200 baht. It is on the ground floor of The Avenue right across from the Closed California Wow (which betrayed it customers and closed). The Avenue use to be fabulous to hang out at before Central Festival opened but still the area is nice and has this great pool hall and Major Cinema and Bowling. I loved VIP Pool!
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Well, guys, these are my 2 long term guys (8 years each) and even after all that time, they still put up with all my antics.
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She must have been doing a hell of a lot of SMSing. I remember years ago when I traveled across the USA, I got a bill over 1k as I was going in and out of my carrier zone and I didn't even make calls.
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I have a few questions about Medical Insurance in Thailand and I'd love to hear some first hand experiences from others in Thailand. We had a great discussion about this in 2009: http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/4432-medical-insurance-for-someone-living-in-los/ I am curious how things have changed or stayed the same since then. I am looking for a policy that will cover me in Thailand. I have good coverage in USA and it does extend to Thailand but for a 6 month period. I'd like to have additional coverage in Thailand just in case. What plans, companies would you recommend?
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Friday October 12 is International Farmer's Day
TotallyOz replied to TotallyOz's topic in Gay Thailand
Are you sure you picked up the Thailand version of the Farmer's Almanac? I remember it last time I looked at it and I thought Out in Thailand was a major sponsor. -
Here is the word for this week: apostle PRONUNCIATION: (uh-POS-uhl) MEANING: noun: A strong supporter or pioneer of a policy, cause, or belief. USAGE: "Romney is the frontman and apostle of an economic revolution, in which transactions are manufactured instead of products, wealth is generated without accompanying prosperity, and Cayman Islands partnerships are lovingly erected and nurtured while American communities fall apart." Matt Taibbi; Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital; Rolling Stone (New York); Aug 29, 2012. ETYMOLOGY: From Greek apostolos (messenger). Earliest documented use: 950.
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I grew up on a farm and while in Thailand, I still love farm boys. So, in honor of Farmer's Day, I am going out on Friday Night and I'm going to pick up a Rice Farmer.
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I have finally gotten setteled into Pattaya and went to California Wow this AM to work out and I was surprised to find it was closed. I had seen it open a few months back but have been told it was closed for a couple of months. That does not leave many choices for Pattaya for working out. And, I am pissed to have lost the money I gave them for a 3 Year membership. It sucks they can do this without any reprucussions. Anyone heard of anyone getting their money back from this scam?
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I like Brad anyway I can get him!