I never initiate talks about money beforehand preferring to pay the guy what he is worth after. Very rarely have issues and nearly all seem happy with my tipping. Got to say, I so rarely get a guy from a bar these days much preferring to off a gay from one of the massage places or online. Again I never initiate negotiations but online often get guys telling me their price. This is rarely over half of what I'd normally tip them so most go away happy, as do I.

Boyztown boys seem to want 2,000 short time.

Some guys say here "when he performs well in bed I will pay extra".

 

But what is that extra performance you mean here? If I fuck a boy they all lie down or sit on top of me and I fuck them. What can they give as extra performance in this case? Make moaning sounds? Because it is a very passive activity for the boy. He is just being fucked. Other than some extra moaning sounds there isn't much 'extra' he can do.

 

Are you alluding to if he is willing to kiss? Then I understand. But in stead of paying him more if he wants to kiss,  we should pay boys less then the amount agreed if they don't want to kiss in bed. For me kissing is just a standard part of sex. Like cuddling, touching. If you off a boy for sex and fucking is agreed to, then it is normal to assume kissing is included too. I do not inform in advance: "Can I huddle you? Can I kiss you? Can I hold you in my arms?". That should all be included by default. I only ask if he is a bottom. That can not be assumed namely. All the rest should be standard.

 

But if it is standard, what is then this extra performance you guys are alluding to and which warrents an extra tip?

Well for a start there is kissing and kissing. I rarely find a long time off boy unwilling to kiss but some are more enthusiastic than others. I like deep tongue kissing over an extended period and if the boy performs it well he gets merit points. I am versatile and if the boy has a slim and very hard cock and knows how to use it more merit points are added, also if he rims me.

Boyztown boys seem to want 2,000 short time.

Doubt it!   Maybe at Boys but nowhere else!  They might want but rarely get anything close to that.

If a boy asks for 2000 short time, the normal response is to negotiate.

 

Counter with 1000 & go from there. Tipping in the range 1000~1300 is normal for short time, but Toy Boys might try their luck with a higher opening quote. That bar sees quite a few Chinese visitors, who might make a short trip to Pattaya and be prepared to spend.

 

 

As for service, well if your boy is expected to just lie face down & take it, well service doesn't matter too much.

For those of us who like some enthusiastic kissing, sucking etc, service can be more of a variable.

People always love to tell others they pay too much. For some this seems to be an ego thing.

with those I have no problem, those who say it you pay too much you are ruining an market for others I have problem with

I would never criticize anyone for being too generous unless he was a new visitor and had no knowledge  of the minimum acceptable price.

 

There are some first time visitors that go to the escort section on Planetromeo and might think 2500-5000 is the norm , especially when that is still far less then their home country.  

 

They deserve to have information on the accepted norms and then they can decide the amount that is appropriate.

 

But just information not criticism!

it was my case on the first trip back in 2001, I was armed with all knowledge but  did not know difference about short and long time and of course tipped short time boy long time rate / 2000 in BKK then / .

 

It's why ever since  I 'm overtipping I guess 

Doubt it!   Maybe at Boys but nowhere else!  They might want but rarely get anything close to that.

this is what I think too,

 

in June ABomb and ToyBoys  boys quoted 2000 long time , and another Toy Boy boy 1500 short and they seemed to be open to discussion but I did not bother to haggle.

 

Some BBB boys may be asking for more and if popular getting it, if we pay it depends on horniness I guess.

 

Nothing wrong with them trying, nothing wrong with us calling on competition instead.

 

For me kissing is just a standard part of sex. Like cuddling, touching.

Quite a few boys will not kiss. Not many twinks I'm dealing with but older more manly boys, often claiming to be straights. My talk with prospective off ALWAYS starts with questions ' do you kiss?"  and believe me I have reason to ask.

 

I will not disqualify him if he doesn't but I'm asking because don't want to force him to do something he will not  like to do making for very Styrofoam encounter.

 

Cuddling and toughing it's bit different best summarized by Jack from Senso whom i asked if he prefers girls or boys and he answered ' girls but I like your hand'

 

I'd even go as far as to claim that ''standard part of sex"  has completely different meaning for different people, not only along straight / gay divide.

 

Having cock up the ass has completely different meaning for  top and bottoms even if  sounds the same.

Kind of sex relativity theory 

Jack from Senso whom i asked if he prefers girls or boys and he answered ' girls but I like your hand'

Is Jack the one who said to you that " you have lots of hair like a monkey"? LOL. The funniest boy quote I have ever heard.

Is Jack the one who said to you that " you have lots of hair like a monkey"? LOL. The funniest boy quote I have ever heard.

no,  that was O from Hero, now apparently at Prince, best Hero masseur I ever had. I agree about funniest quote.

 

Only God knows how I miss my boys !.