SP/RIO Dec2024-Jan2025: Saunas and Interactive Boys

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In this series, I'll review saunas, dark room clubs with interactive boys, and online hiring based on my trip in December 2024 and January 2025. I'll also share a brief comparison of Brazil with other countries and my thoughts on Brazilian saunas. I hesitated to write this because it’s lengthy, and some forum members can be difficult when my views differ from theirs. Still, I believe truthful information is valuable, allowing readers to filter what matters to them. So take whatever valuable to you and ignore the rest!

For some reason, many here never disclose sauna or online hiring costs. Whether this is because regulars pay less and prefer to keep rates private or for another reason, I'm unsure. Knowing the standard rates beforehand would have made my trip more efficient, as I spent time updating them myself—something I'll reveal here. Since this isn’t common on the forum, it was another reason for my hesitation. In my daytime work, I evaluate markets, so much of my thinking reflects those professional habits. Keep that in mind as you read the following posts
 

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Lagoa in SP:
This was the first sauna I visited in Brazil on this trip, so I wanted to get a sense of the price range. Based on inflation data, 100 BRL in 2017 equates to 146 BRL in 2024. Alternatively, 100 BRL was about 30 USD in 2017, which translates to around 180 BRL today. I estimated the current rate to be between 150–180 BRL, but I knew it wouldn’t be that simple, so I asked around first. 😂

My first conversation was more of a market study than an actual hiring attempt. The guy approached me first—above average for the day but not my type. He quoted 200 BRL, I thanked him and walked away, but he kept chasing me down. That made me assume the rate was lower, probably around 150 BRL.

The second guy, Matheus or something, was someone I was actually interested in hiring. Curly hair, toned but not overly muscular, tight body, nice ass—average height and size. He also quoted 200 BRL, and assuming the rate was lower, I politely declined, expecting some negotiation. He simply said “okay” and left. No big deal, as he wasn’t exactly my ideal type. Later, I found out he charges 250 BRL online for full service in São Paulo, which suggests he had inflated his rate for the sauna. Given the suite fee, hiring him online might have been a better deal.

There were no other interesting options, so I left.

As for the setting, the place had endless stairs, and the sauna's shower was right next to the bar, fully visible to everyone. I hated both aspects. Given that most clients here seem older, did they really not consider how impractical all those stairs would be?
 

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RIO 202

My first visit was at point 202 during the pre-Christmas days. I arrived around 4:30 PM, which was too early, and it was empty. I didn't realize it starts later these days. Anyway, the first boy I liked was Bruno, a short guy with paler skin. His tool was too thick for me, and I had no interest in topping him for money, but I asked for his price for my market study. He quoted 200 BRL with a question mark on the translator, so I assumed he was willing to negotiate. I wasn't planning to engage with him right away but thought I might hire him later. I told him maybe I would do it later when I am used to smaller ones, but he showed an annoyed face and said everyone in the sauna has the same or bigger than him. I didn't like his attitude, so I never approached him again, and he didn't approach me either 😂. I'm not sure if this is good business etiquette, but I guess he is just young.

To my surprise, I saw the same Matheus from São Paulo show up later at night, but he didn't greet me, so I wasn't bothered to talk to him again. I followed his movements in the sauna all night out of boredom since I was just sitting around and checking everyone. He didn't get any customers that night, and we left around the same time. I saw him five times overall during this trip. If he had impressed me in São Paulo, he could have earned 750-1000 BRL from me, but I guess everyone has their own way of doing business. I felt like he could have been smarter with his approach to clients, but who am I to judge?

I left a sauna again without hiring and I was not happy about it because I prepared myself to bottom and it is quite annoying if I prepare for nothing.... overall I visited 202 five times during this trip including two on Wednesday, free suites day when it gets packed. I hired only one guy simply because he just teased me so much in the steam room by kissing and licking me and letting me touch his ass and dick. He had a nice body, not the best face but given his kissing skill I was happy to reward him. He wanted 200 and I said ok because for his effort it sounded reasonable. He actually even came and I didn't ask for it. But he was happy and thanked me and kissed me nicely when I paid. No fuzz about cumming/finishing etc. I was a bit surprised because it was relatively early in the evening...

In terms of the boys, I knew 202 didn't have the boys I like. Most of them are short and skinny, street looking boys. But in my previous visits I had some luck so I kinda wanted to check it out. In the end the damage is 75 with a sauna at the end 😂 That is what I thought but after 5 times, I realized the damage was more than one online hiring...Oh well...
 

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My recent trips to sauna 117 have been a mixed bag. While I used to rave about the place, my experiences this time around were less than stellar. I visited five times, but even on a Tuesday (supposedly their less busy night), the quality wasn't what it used to be. The biggest difference? The guys. While previously I found a plethora of attractive men, this time, the selection felt limited and less diverse. Many seemed older, and the overall attractiveness had diminished.

When I visited 117 for the first time (long time ago), I wondered why anyone would go there if they had access to Thermas in Barcelona, considering the cost isn't substantially less when you include the suite fee. Adjusting for the trip cost, it can add up even more. Some members explained that the quality of the boys is different. I agreed because the quality was much better than Thermas. Unfortunately, that can't be said now. The guys who go to 117 nowadays are somewhat okay or good-looking but not like the ones I used to die for. Tuesdays at 117 these days still have better quality than Thermas weekend but not by a large margin it used to have. Back in the day, I always felt like a kid in a candy store: "Oh my god, I want to get this guy for sure!" Nowadays, it's more like, "Okay, good-looking and sexy, but should I get this guy? Or maybe that one is better? No, he has an ugly face," etc. I realized I had a lot less excitement when I walked around the sauna these days.

What I miss the most is that there used to be multiple good-looking guys in a night: tall and nicely built, and easy to interact with. At least a half of them gave me an amazing experience in the suite. Except for one or two cases, most guys were giving me 100 BRL as their initial price in the sauna back then. What's more interesting is that those sexy guys were interested in coming to my hotel regularly for a little more, so I guess I wasn't underpaying, even though I used to wonder how they could come again and again for such a low price. I wasn't (and still am not) a very demanding customer overall, as long as the guy can kiss well and get hard so that might be the reason they wanted regular with them. Anyway, some fond memories.

Back to this trip. The first thing I noticed was the lack of diversity in the pool in terms of skin tones, (sizes,) and looks. Yes, some muscled guys are there, some tall and a few skinny, but if I were to summarize them by two keywords: tanned and hung. The differences are in body shape and face. In my book, Brazilians are not the best-looking ones when it comes to face, but overall, I felt like the guys got uglier and older compared to before. For me, I was able to get similar guys in the dark room quite easily, so I was not very willing to pay high prices in the sauna.

If you like tanned, hung guys, I think 117 is still a good place to go. Maybe...maybe not. Maybe not because I did have a bit of difficulty interacting with the boys. My first guy said he wanted 500 BRL, but he did say it is full service; I guess he meant finishing off. Either way, I didn't like it, so I said no. He didn't even try to negotiate, so I thought maybe he is getting that kind of rate from others. Look-wise, he was not tall, not that handsome in my opinion, but this is hugely subjective. He didn't have the best body either, so the only explanation is that he thinks I am a stupid tourist and played with me. Either way, it was not really important as I didn't feel like missing out by putting him on my "virtual block list." I do it from time to time when I am annoyed 😂. I don't talk to them again once they are on the list.

The second guy was Emanuel, a tall, fit guy. He had been smiling at me all the time and touching me when he passed by, so I talked to him. His tool might be too big for me, but I didn't mind just having soft fun, so I told him so. He said he wants 300 BRL, and I said I am happy to pay 200 BRL, but he said, "Oh, I usually charge 500 BRL, but because you want only vanilla sex, I give you a discount at 300 BRL." I knew this was a BS. I didn't feel the urge, so I said, "Enjoy the night." I see he can get busy, so I was not going to hassle with his valuable time, but I didn't put him on my block list 😂. This was before New Year's. We didn't talk even though we ran into each other a couple of times. But I did pay attention to his activities, just out of curiosity and boredom in the sauna. He seems to target tourists exclusively, even though he has zero English. Always on translator 😂. He did have a couple of customers before New Year's, but after New Year's, it seemed like it slowed down, and he was smiling and winking at me again, but he didn't talk to me, except just come and stand next to me. Either way, I didn't want to go over the stupid price discussion again unless he came to me and said let's go for 200 I proposed, so I didn't initiate the conversation again either. So nothing really happened. 

I also saw some canadaian touriests payed 300 BRL, but the guy he hired didn't accept it and started arguing. Not sure what the issue was, but it was funny because he paid the hefty price as a clueless tourist, yet he got himself in more trouble. These things do not leave a good impression on visitors, which can be the reason why some might not be very tempted to come back again.

Another was Rafael, a straight top introduced to me by Buttercan, who kindly helped me with a lot of information during this visit. I planned to hire him later in the day, but he got busy, and I left a bit early after my first hire. The next time he came to the sauna, I was about to leave for a meeting. It wasn't a good day because the options were limited, but I came prepared and was fasting, so I was quite hungry, which makes me easily annoyed. Instead of leaving empty-handed, I thought I could try him out and have at least one regular hire if I liked him. My reservation was that he was straight and didn't kiss passionately, but the only way to know was to hire him. He said he wanted to have a session after 30 minutes, but I was in a rush to leave, so I said now or next time. He agreed to now. As usual, I asked him how much he wanted, and he said 300 BRL. This was a bit of a turn-off because I could get a much better deal by hiring someone online, considering I would be paying the suite cost and was in a rush. Those thoughts crossed my mind, and I said sorry, no. I left for the locker, but he asked again if I wanted or not when I was in the locker right after that discussion, and I said sorry, no. I mean, I did say no upstairs, why ask again? Maybe he wanted to update his price, but he didn't say so, just asked if I wanted or not. Anyway, he never talked to me again after that, even though we ran into each other multiple times in my subsequent visits to 117. I could see he actively avoided eye contact with me 😂. What gives? It didn't work out mostly because he wanted to play a game, which didn't work out, but come on. Even when I don't hire, other escorts do not give an unpleasant face in the sauna. I find it a bit childish. Anyway, on a busy Tuesday after New Year's, I noticed he didn't have any clients until 10:20PM when I left. I guess that is also karma...

But I did hire some gps this time, mostly a bit reluctantly because I wanted someone hotter in sauna yet I am happy to pay 200 even just trying out just because it is still relatively cheap. I mean I paid so much money to come here, so I needed to hire...A few experiences that I had were just ok. One was just struggling to get fully hard but he did have a nice attitude and was trying hard, so I was not bothered. Another one was not really a good match in sex. They both wanted to repeat but no point in repeating not so great experiences. 

If you remember my first encounter at 117, who was virtually blocked by me, he came to me again after New Year's and started touching and kissing me. This time, I was a bit mean; I probably shouldn't have been. I said, "You thought I was a stupid tourist," and he said no. I replied, "That's why you wanted 500 from me last time." He didn't respond but kept kissing and touching me. Well, this guy has some balls...at least he doesn't have a big ego like some other GPs here. I still didn't want to hire him or renegotiate the rates because he wasn't that sexy but he was part of the reason why I didn't enjoy the sauna experience this time so I guess I said something mean to him. When I visited during the busy Christmas and New Year's time many years ago, I didn't have this much hassle from the GPs. Maybe I'm missing some reason why they try to charge a lot more now compared to the past, but as I showed in the beginning, the rates should not be higher than 200 BRL even if we swallow the exchange rate or inflation arguments. So, I do believe that the GPs are getting a better deal, but the quality has declined significantly, and I had to go through stupid price negotiations all the time now.

Ultimately, my recent trips to 117 confirmed my suspicions that the sauna's quality has declined. The prices have increased, while the quality of the men has decreased. While some attractive men remain, the overall experience is no longer what it once was. I'm left with a sense of closure, accepting that 117 is no longer the same place it used to be.

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Now the fun part! Darkroom interactive shows
Sp:
Hot club: There is a thread about Hot club on this forum, some members really enjoyed this club so I was so eager to visit, because, from my reading, the experience must be quite good. But I was so disappointed and I did reply on that thread as well. My understanding from the posts was that I would be allowed to play with the interactive boys in the darkroom and it is busy with many customers. When I visited Hot club, I was the only customer...Hello, am I too lucky because I can have the interactive boy for myself or am I too unlucky because it is not what I thought it would be? Well it was the latter. The interactive boy sat with me for an hour to chat. Through translator!!! Yes this guy liked me so much because he got a lot of free tips for investment but I didn't get anything. Out of patience, I asked where the dark room is, he showed me around and showed his dick in the dark room and that was it. We came back to my table and talked about investment again I don't really mind giving investment information to GPs as I hope they find financial independence at certain point because they can do this job only while they are young. But I want my service too. He said his shift is ending at midnight so he left at midnight and a Go-go boy came to me and sat with me. I asked again how it works, what the interactive boy means etc. He said he can be my interactive boy for 300. I just laughed and left. Anyway, the bar and cashier guys do not speak any english, they just charged me the full price including the (unlimited?) drinks without even asking so overall I felt like I went right into the tourist trap...What a great way to start my dark room experience... 

Upgrade club: After my awful experience at Hot club, I was not gonna give up because I needed to experience it fully. Well because Upgrade club had 10 interactive boys at a night! So I visited Upgrade club on that day. The reception at the Upgrade club was friendlier and did speak enough english. I think I got a locker key and put my clothes in the locker but I was in my underwear. My intention was to watch and learn, not to be part of the game. Initially, I see guys in the darkroom are playing but i had no idea which ones are the interactive boys but most looked a bit older, so I was just watching. Then a guy who was ok (in his 30s, more white looking brazilian, not fat but not fit either but overall balanced body) started touching me and then it went on, He was sucking me and licking me everywhere and kissing. One thing i really like about brazilians is that they kiss very passionately with a lot of tongue involved, and he was a typical. Anyway, after a while there was an announcement in Portuguese and everybody moved to the bar area so I followed. So all 10 boys showed up and started taking off their underwear and getting hard and everything. After a few minutes of dances and playing with each other, I can see customers got involved and it became more of customers vs boys in the bar area. Then they moved to the dark room. All of them had the santa hat so it was easy to spot them. One of them was my type, so I followed him but I was not brave enough to act because it was my first interactive show. One thing that surprised me so much was everything was BB...He was fucking whoever comes without protection and I didn't wanna be a part of it. But I gradually loosened up and started touching him while he was being sucked or fucking and then all of sudden he just grabbed my neck and he kissed me, and it was a good one. This gave me a lot of confidence. After a while, he wanted me to suck him but I am not a big fan of sucking, so I smiled and said no. Then he turned me around and started rimming my ass. He was really good and it is quite rare that GPs rim asses. Then he wanted to top me raw in front of everyone and I said no and I told him that I will find him on Instagram and contact him and he nodded and moved to top someone else. It was a bit crazy because he was literally fucking everyone who comes nearby. And after a while there was no one who was willing to be fucked, most wanted to watch. This was quite funny because the customers got tired of being fucked haha Anyway I moved around a bit and there were a lot of fucking everywhere. And there was another interactive boy, who had a nice body but I don't remember his face or could not see it clearly. When I was standing nearby and watching him, he reached out to my penis and eventually started sucking. At this point, I understood the game better and there were some condoms provided by the venue so I kept some with me just in case. Well, the case actually happened because I wanted to top him and I had my condoms so I did. I really liked the overall atmosphere there and in this scenario I don't mind being the top, although when I hire, I tend to bottom. I left after this. Overall amazing experience.  
 

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Rio
Taurus: I found some info from this forum about Taurus and I wanted to try it out. Now that I have been to Upgrade club, I was more confident and understood the system. After my disappointing experience at 117, I explored my options online on garotolocal. I found one guy of my liking and asked his rate over whatsapp. He said 300, so I invited him to my hotel. The sex was ok so i didnt repeat him later. Then I tried a massage guy from garotolocal. He charged only 100 for normal massage and 150 for sensual, which meant he would be naked with hand release. For 150, it was worth trying so i went for the sensual one. Overall the massage was ok, not too bad, but he just kept talking during the whole time: he broke up with his boyfriend and he works at a restaurant etc. He even asked if I was single and whether he should quit his job. Well it was annoying because I didn't care about his life and had no interest in meeting him again. He asked my age and then he said his ex was around my age...I felt like he was implying something but I just wanted to be out but he definitely wanted to make me happy before I left, so I got a hand release. So this is my second time finishing before going to Taurus. I rested that night, partially because I needed to recharge but also because it was raining. I arrived at Taurus a bit after midnight but I was told that the next show was at 1:30am, and the previous show is just ending. They had 6 interactive boys that day, so I didn't know they had 3 different shows with 2 boys each. They asked me if I wanted a locker, which is 5 reas. One should get it because this place is more like sauna without sauna, where most guys will in underwear or naked.

The first floor is the bar, and this is where they start the show and the boys will move to the second floor after a few minutes of the show. The second floor has dark room in a sequence, the darker when you go further inside. There are some private cabins as well. One cabin with glass on the side so you can see what is happening. Great for voyeurism. The condoms are available at the bar and most people here were either naked or only on underwear. There is one small (and nasty) shower on the second floor but toilet stands all have water guns next to it, so it is easier to clean my front. Anyway, I had some time before the show so I went up to the second floor. This is after christmas and before new years, and it is important to note that because I realized that the quality of guys vary based on the timing. I think a lot of hot visitors were there because the quality of the guys were worse after the new years. As a matter of fact, one of the hottest guys was from SP because I saw his profile on grindr. He was noticeable because of good looking face and tall and well built body. He was not very active but roamed around, so I just assumed he wouldn't be into me. He is like one of the GPs that used to come to 117 before covid. Then there was another really hot guy showed up, a bit drunk and i can see a lot of guys were trying their luck with him, he didn't seem to be interested but he didn't show any unpleasant attitude toward them in a way that he would let them touch him but not interact and just walk around when he feels it is too much. I noticed this after a few times going to the dark room places: Brazilians are quite welcoming and don't really mind being touched or watched, at least in this sort of setting. Anywhere else in the world, I would assume guys like him would be pissed or a bit aggressive toward the people who they are into. They tend to show unpleasant facial or body language when someone who is not their type would touch them etc. But Brazilians seem to be just ok but they do have a limit and cuts it nicely when they are not into them. A lot more pleasant way of saying no. Anyway, interestingly the two hot guys mingled when they find each other, which made sense but they were doing it in a corner, so I watched them right next to them. They didn't mind and someone else came and he started touching them, and they were ok, so I touched them as well. They were ok but they didn't really reach out to anyone else who was watching. Then another aggressive guy came and starting disrupting them so they went into a cabin. They kinda reminded of the guys I could hire at 117 before and they still do exist in Brazil but not at the saunas anymore. I was hoping one of them would show up at 117 next day but hell no! They both left before the interactive show so I was kinda sad.

Anyway, then there was the announcement and the interactive show started. I really liked one of the guys, he was a bottom. When they went upstairs I was right next to this bottom. Some people started getting sucked and I was just watching as I was not sure if I would be up for topping him after two finishes earlier in the day. But he reached out to me and started kissing me. Then he went to suck someone next to me, so I started rimming his ass, which was really nice. Then I started watching him sucking another guy next to me, he reached out to my pants and pulled it down and started sucking me. And I got hard easily, then he let me fuck him (I had a condom but most guys were doing it raw). When I was topping him, the guy next to him and me started sucking my nipples and there was another guy on my left who kissed me in the lips and my hand reached out to his ass, which was really muscular and round. Both of these guys were around 30-40 I would say, one was quite fit and the other was not so fit but not fat either. Not someone I would pay for sure but for free sex it was amazing to have a nipple play and kissing and fucking all at once. Someone else was grabbing my ass but I don't really know who he was and I didn't really care. I came quite quickly and stopped and went to clean myself and the rest kept playing all together without me. I think this is the part I really like about the interactive shows because the interactive boys usually connect people and make them do things together. After cleaning myself and having a drink, I went up again just to see and everyone was playing with everyone. It was quite a night. I noticed there was a new hot guy showed up. He really liked watching this black guy topping someone and started touching the black guy's balls etc. When the black guy finished it, he looked around and stood next to me and starting jerking off. These kinda guys are never into me, so I wasn't sure if it meant anything but I knew one thing for sure. I wasn't gonna get hard at this point to satisfy him. Anyway, while I was thinking about too many things about this guy, the same black guy came back and stood on the other side of him. They started touching each other and the black guy wanted to fuck him but he seemed to indicate it is too big for him. So the black guy went away and the hot guy went into the last section of the dark room, which is the darkest and this is where everything happens without really knowing who you are playing with. I followed him not to lose track of him in the dark area. He just went in and started fucking randomly, which was quite shocking given that he was so hot, like GP at 117 before covid hot. Whenever he fucked someone, I stood next to him and touched his ass, which was really nice round and muscular and he didn't seem to mind at all. Anyway, I realized that I was not get hard again, which was a disappointment so I decided to call it a day. When I left it was around 2:20AM and the interactive boys were still in the main room...I don't know how they can take it...Either way, it was such a fun night overall.

I visited Taurus again multiple times after the new years and sadly I noticed a decline in the quality of guys and I attributed to the new year's crowd that came to RIO. In my second visit, I visited earlier because the hot guys came and left before the show in my first visit. There were a couple of decent guys in their 20s but mostly over 30. So I went into the last section where all the things happen. There were two tall and fit guys. I have no idea how old they were but they didn't have any belly and had quite a fit body, both very tall. They were fucking each other, so I stood next to them and started touching the top's ass, which was nice. Then he started kissing me and grabbing my dick and then pushed me to the front of the bottom so he could suck me, and the bottom did suck me. I kinda liked how obedient the bottom was. Then he turned the bottom around and wanted me to top him, so I put a condom and started topping him. He got sucked by the bottom and started kissing me. After that I didn't feel much because it was so loose and pulled my dick and then he started topping him and pulled me to his backside. I kinda understood he wanted me to top him, so I tried to put it in, which was a bit difficult because it was so tight. But mine eventually went in and after a while he stopped me as I was getting faster. It seemed like it was a bit too much for him, and he started kissing me. Then I felt like there is nothing to do there and tried to walk out but there was someone short and I touched his body, it was fit and had a nice around ass, so before pulling out the condom, I tried to put my dick into ass, he just let me do that. It was kinda funny because he had no idea who I was. I topped him for a while and I didn't like it anymore, so I pulled out and left to downstairs. After a quick drink, I went up and I noticed a guy in his early 20s standing around the entrance where the light can show his face. Curly brown hair, pale skin, I was not sure if he was a tourist or Brazilian. Either way, he had a nice body, so I was not sure if he would be into me. But at this point, I became a lot more confident and stood next to him. He was already jerking off, so I touched his dick a bit and then he touched mine. Then I grabbed his ass, which was quite big and round. I got hard and he wanted me to top him. So I did. This time I enjoyed it quite a lot and I was like an energizer bunny and I came in the condom. Then he asked me something in Portuguese, which I had no idea about, so I smiled and left. I went downstairs and rested a bit and came up again. The same guys I played with were not there anymore and I wasn't into anyone there. So I went down to wait for the show, which was just ok because the interactive guys were not as nice as their pictures. Given that no one hot was there, I just left as soon as the boys went upstairs.

My third visit to Taurus probably had the worst quality: mostly guys in their 30s with some skinny guys in their 20s. There were 6 interactive guys planned for that night, so learning from my mistake during my first visit, I went there early, around 10PM, assuming that I can have at least two shows. But I was wrong, they had only one show at 1:30AM with three boys and I don't know when they had the other show. Must be before 10PM. It was a long wait without much fun so I was not very happy. I was bored so I wanted to check their boys schedule, which was by the entrance and I noticed one black guy showed up and stayed around the door. When I got closer to the door, I could see him clearly and he had a really nice face, overall tall and fit, maybe in his late 20s. He looked at me and there was a moment we had an eye contact. I briefly suspected maybe he was into me? Either way, I am usually shy so I didn't do anything but checked the board and came back to the bar area. He then went to the bathroom, which is next to the locker, so I passed by him. We had an eye contact again, this time I was more sure that he was interested, yet I didn't know what to do. So I went around the toilet and locker area, he was peeing and again had an eye contact. He then washed his hand and I was standing in the area. He looked at me in the mirror and came to me and said ola or something, and I replied with Ola, then he smiled and said a lot in Portuguese, which I assumed that he thought I spoke Portuguese. I said no Portuguese and he looked a bit disappointed and said his English was not good. I said no problem and then he just kissed me and we had a really nice kiss. Then he took me upstairs to a cabin and he literally licked all over my body, including dick and anus. Then he wanted to top me but he was too thick so unfortunately, we ended it there. Soon after the show started and I watched them, but it was just ok. So I decided to leave but on my way to the locker, I saw the same black guy topping short young bottom, so I stood next to him and started kissing him and the bottom started sucking me. After a while another guy came, who was not my type but we had this triangle kissing. Again, Brazilian kisses are the most passionate I would say. Anyway, I came and promptly left. Overall I had a lot of fun at Taurus and I really liked this place.   

[young11]

Hole: There was a special event called Hole, Buttercan informed me about this event and apparently very popular (sold out before the event!) and there was an interactive show so I assumed it would be more fun than Taurus. It was held at a larger venue without locker or shower facilities in Centro. But overall it was more like a club with some actions among guys in the corner. There were certainly some hot guys but many of the hot guys wouldn't be involved in sex and the ones involved seem to be interested in other hot guys. The interactive boys were not really my type and the play was somewhat limited and they were taking photos etc. So overall it was not my scene. 

Black cat: It is a club/bar in Copacabana, which has a dark room and interactive shows time to time. Again, thanks to Buttercan, I learned about this place. They don't have shower or locker, so people were fully clothed. This was not good for playing...Apparently, on the day when they have the show, it has the show at 2AM. It was quite late and I showed up a bit after midnight and had 2 hours to kill because they have a small darkish room on the ground floor with some actions but the guys were not really my type. Most guys were kinda like middle or upper class snobby but not so good looking or fit guys, maybe some tourists who would fall into the same type? Either way, I waited for the show and it happened at 2:30 instead of 2...Brazilian times...This was actually the worst interactive show. One of the interactive boys was Henrique, who would just outright refuse to be touched or interact with many of the guys there. I was bored so I watched/followed him quite a bit and followed him upstairs. I can see he was outright refusing to interact with many of the guys on the way. What is the point if the interactive boy is not interacting? Almost all interactive guys I saw in the past had this amazing attitude but not this one...After the interactive show, the dark room upstairs opened up. It has two rooms, not completely dark unless you go into the corner of the second room. But the guys on that night were very aggressive. One guy was just following me all night even though I made it clear that I was not into him. When I watching Henrique topping a guy, I was standing next to him. This stalker guy grabbed my hand and put it on Henrique's ass. But then Henrique took my hand off, maybe he didn't like it. This would be absolutely ok with the other interactive boys. Either way, not big deal. Then I went around and there was a small young guy with a nice ass, so I touched him and he reciprocated and started sucking me. He was not a good sucker so I put the condom and started topping him. Guess what, the stalker guy who was following me was next to me and he pulled my dick out. Huh??? I was not happy about this incident so I just left because there was literally no one interesting in the crowd. I never returned to this place again. 
 

[young11]

Online, grindr hiring and massage places

Because the reas was quite weak and I really wanted to have a good massage this time, I did hire some massages during this time. I usually do not hire massages outside of asia because they just hide under the name of massage so that they don't have to deliver anything good. Well, that was exactly what these massage places were. Some members here said Solaryun Spa in Copacabana was good, so I gave it a try. My therapist was Vinicius, who claimed to be the owner of the place. First I tried the relaxing massage because I really wanted some good massage. But this was one of the worst massages I ever got in my life. If you read their google review, some people said it was the best massage in their life, so I was not expecting this bad quality. Anyway, some people just do not know what a good massage is like...The spa manager seem to respond to google map reviews, and one of the response was that this place is for tantric massage. So I decided to give it a try for the tantric one because I really like Vinicius body. Overall, the massage was better and especially the body to body part but it is just a hand release. There is no oral or kissing or anything. Of course, no penetration. It is 250, so given the massage skill is kinda bad, there is no point in massage but rather the finishing part becomes what it matters. Then I asked myself, I can probably pay for a normal sex with penetration for 250 when I hire online. So why am I paying so much for this half ass experience? Well, that is my conclusion and you should consider that if you want to go there...

I also hired some hot guys from garotolocal for massage if they list it on the ad. Usually most seem to do some sort of massage in nude with a lot of touching and the finishing part varies individually, some would do everything but penetration. Most charged 150-250 but there were some outliers like 400 once. Didn't even hire him. Overall, the massage part is always underwhelming but naked hot guy was always the point...I wouldn't waste much time/cum/money for massage thing again in Brazil.

I only looked at garotolocal for online hiring for full sex. I probably should have explored more websites. But the quality of guys there is just impressive, all those sexy guys I used to hire at 177 are now online. Overall, SP had a lot more ads and different looking guys where Rio was the second largest but Rio cannot really match SP in terms of the quality, quantity and diversity of SP guys. Of course, there were a lot of traveling GPs and in fact, the ones I liked in Rio were visiting from SP. I usually send the default message that garotolocal generates for WhatsApp from my local sim WhatsApp number. So my guess is that some of them did not know I was a tourist. So maybe I was not getting too touristy prices but over 90% of the guys I contacted quoted me 300 reas. Simple distribution was: 180, 200, 250, 250, many 300s, then 330, 400, 500. There were only one 400 and one 500. The funny part is that the guy who quoted 500 was not the most impressive looking. I contacted him simply because he didn't have a naked picture on the ad, so I was hoping he had a small one...Anyway, from my experience the price rarely reflects the quality of hiring in this business so I was not surprised. I did pay quite a few 300s and they came to my hotel, which allowed guests without any issues. But sometimes they don't even check their id, so I was a bit worried. In Colombia, they checked everyone's id and I had to call the reception before my guests leave so that the reception knows I was ok with the guest leaving. This was a bit awkward but it seems like Colombians know this well and it worked well for my safety. 

In Rio, I had one completely empty profile on grindr saying I want a GP. Some people contacted, more so in Rio than SP where I had a shorter time. Overall, there were not many I would be interested in hiring from grindr but I got two 150s and one 200 and one 400. I was not really enthusiastic about hiring someone from grindr but all of them were very insistent. The good thing about grindr is that the guys were closer, just a few hundred meters away. I did hire the guy for 200 because he looked quite nice, well built and nice face, tanned and a typical face from Rio. It seems like he was straight, so first he didn't want to kiss but then when he realized he was not getting hard quickly, he just did everything from rimming me to kissing me with tongue. He was about to be topped because he was not getting hard but after a lot of kissing he got hard lol it was fun as an experience but was not a good sex. Then there was a guy who wanted 150 and he came to me right before I left Rio because I was worried his rate was a bit too low. This is because I prepared myself for the sauna and got nothing, so I got a bit desperate and I finally accepted his insistence, he messaged me at the right moment haha. He was around 175cm tall, no fat, or maybe should I say all of his body fat seemed to have come to his ass...Nice round ass but otherwise very tight muscular body with six pack. Amazing kisser but he also rimmed me, sucked me, licked me all over my body. The finale was so good because his balls were slapping my ass as he got harder and harder before I came...The only bad part is that I resisted so long because his rate was so low and I was a bit worried and I was leaving when I finally had this amazing sex...After the sex, we had some nice chat and he was asking about my plans until I leave but the poor guy didn't know I was leaving next morning...I told him I don't know when I will leave but he kept messaging me ever since. If I met with him earlier, I could have hired him everyday for that price lol Well at least I had one nice experience in Rio as a bottom. So in the end, my best bottom experience was from grindr, my best getting rimmed experience was from an interactive boy and my best experience as a top was also with an interactive boy. Where are the sauna boys??? 

[young11]

Thought on Brazilian market and comparison to Colombia and Barcelona:

Overall, I am just very disappointed with the sauna scene in Rio and SP. Of course, it is cheaper but for someone like me who is taking an expensive business class ticket to Brazil from Europe, it really didnt make a  lot of sense. Let's say I pay at least 3000 euros to get there, I can hire 20 top escorts in many european cities for that money so I am not sure if going to Brazil is worth...In that regard, Thermas in Barcelona still provides an amazing value: the rate is fixed at 50e and it never changed throughout the whole inflation period. The quality of the guys is not that bad compared to the top guys at 117 nowadays. It is very easy to get there, compared to going to brazil (this is the major part for me but maybe not true to Americans and Aussies). 

In terms of online hiring, I have to admit that SP has amazing selections. But it comes with its own hassle of online hiring and safety issues of SP etc. To me, I do like colombian guys a bit more look wise, and I find guys in Bogota slightly cheaper and easier to deal with than SP. Overall these two cities are very comparable in my opinion. I like the food scene in Bogota but I like the brazilians' attitude when I meet with guys. 

One thing stood out a lot is the interactive show. I don't think anywhere in the world can provide this sort of crazy experience. And it happens for a penny! Overall Brazilians have this amazing attitude toward sex and it is amplified in the interactive shows by the boys. The only downside is the quality of the interactive shows is not up to the level of the top guys in SP online market. But that is understandable. 

Overall, I think I will hold off any future trips to Brazil for a while unless I have a good reason to go there because the sauna scene is really disappointing these days. What do you guys think in terms of your plans and international comparison?

[Riobard]

What’s important here is that your analysis will have been useful to you. 

I’m paying by time denominator about the same as 10 years ago although prices in reais have trended up in absolute terms that are nevertheless considerably fractionated in percentage terms and objectively paltry amounts according to my home currency. Moreover, it is home-based escort price increases that have escalated when Brazil prices have been comparatively static against the only currency that has valid meaning. Hiring at home has been ruined because my overall impression is half the appeal for several multiples the cost. 

My set point was established at a historical juncture that anchored the financial meaning that I assign today. That reference point renders visitor-to-visitor comparison pointless. Because my disposable income is much higher 10 years on, that entire duration unbroken in retirement status, it would take a lot of deterioration in Brazil trade quality to erode the wow factor that I find consistently accessed. I feel more deprived than ever in between visits.

That said, a decade is a solid period of time to accrue a stellar reliable roster of good matches. I haven’t one bit based that membership on some degree of price variation that arises between escorts and that I consider par for the course. Bien sur another advantage with having a trusted roster is removing the necessity of double-dipping into funds for where deeds are done. It’s not a large roster of guys but trading off a huge group of different guys for profoundly satisfying consistency seems worth it. Ten years has afforded dozens of connects that contribute to a sense of grazing an entire buffet. 

My analysis is only useful to me. It wouldn’t occur to me to approach it the way others do in spite of absolute clarity regarding those data collection practices that deviate from mine. Life is too short and shortening. I also cannot replicate a data acquisition design in which cost is explicitly inquired about. Me not do it that way. 

I’ve been to Barcelona as much as Brazil over the past year. Getting there costs about the same. Being there is more expensive. Hiring there considerably pricier. I have neither mental yearning nor desire to repeat with any particular guy I’ve met. In contrast, my erotic thoughts are highly populated by memories of several Brazil-based guys. The larger resource pool where you can see them in person before committing is a plus. I don’t need to budget much for disappointment. 

[ToTheCore]

Thanks very much for sharing...   

[tymoniz]

You're a saint for sharing - I'm glad you managed at least a few good experiences! 

[Riobard]

I’m taken aback by your capacity to hold all of that extremely detailed content in mind for such an extensive written rendering months later. How do you do it? It’s like a vacuum cleaner bag exploded and you nevertheless organized and packaged all of the content into a vastly quantitative yet qualitive narrative. 

[young11]

16 hours ago, Riobard said:

I’m taken aback by your capacity to hold all of that extremely detailed content in mind for such an extensive written rendering months later. How do you do it? It’s like a vacuum cleaner bag exploded and you nevertheless organized and packaged all of the content into a vastly quantitative yet qualitive narrative. 

In general I have a very good memory but certainly can't do this after months. I had it written in January when I was on my long flight back to Europe and never really wanted to publish it for some reason but I was going through my flies yesterday to delete unnecessary files from my laptop so I deleted it after putting it here 😂 maybe someone might find it useful but I realize I should have done it earlier. 

[Riobard]

25 minutes ago, young11 said:

In general I have a very good memory but certainly can't do this after months. I had it written in January when I was on my long flight back to Europe and never really wanted to publish it for some reason but I was going through my flies yesterday to delete unnecessary files from my laptop so I deleted it after putting it here 😂 maybe someone might find it useful but I realize I should have done it earlier. 

Well the subforum has been on life support, so good on you to feed it some oxygen. 

[travguy]

As for prices, one member posted about being firm and setting a price of say 200 RS with a GP, pretty much not allowing further discussion. I assume that member speaks good PT and that 200 is a reasonable locals price for what is expected in the program. Apologies if I have misquoted or misinterpreted. I did pay more for a couple of GPs that seemed exactly like what I was looking for. One was and one was not. Lol. I also went to the Bangu sauna club outside of Rio a few times. Fun times with rough trade. I  had no issues playing at Taurus in Rio. Folks do not always match up though. You seemed quite timid but we are all different. You might note which hotel you stayed at that was ok with your visitors. Was it the Atl Copa by M Siq Campos? 

I very much agree that the hot ness of the guys has gone done over the years. Some note that the guys can now make money off onlyfans etc and perhaps this is the reason for fewer hot GPs at the saunas. 

Did you try the gay sex cinemas or booth places like Sexy Rose in Rio or similar in SP? Pauleiro posted great info about cruising places in SP maybe a year ago but I don't have the link to his post. Did you try some of his recommendations? 

Thx for your postings and details. 

[12is12]

Young 11, per ur opening post, I salute u for:

1 - ignoring "difficult member

s" who don't believe in freedom of opinion;

2 - ignoring the convention of not disclosing prices paid;

3 - GREAT reports!!!

[young11]

12 hours ago, travguy said:

As for prices, one member posted about being firm and setting a price of say 200 RS with a GP, pretty much not allowing further discussion. I assume that member speaks good PT and that 200 is a reasonable locals price for what is expected in the program. Apologies if I have misquoted or misinterpreted. I did pay more for a couple of GPs that seemed exactly like what I was looking for. One was and one was not. Lol. I also went to the Bangu sauna club outside of Rio a few times. Fun times with rough trade. I  had no issues playing at Taurus in Rio. Folks do not always match up though. You seemed quite timid but we are all different. You might note which hotel you stayed at that was ok with your visitors. Was it the Atl Copa by M Siq Campos? 

I very much agree that the hot ness of the guys has gone done over the years. Some note that the guys can now make money off onlyfans etc and perhaps this is the reason for fewer hot GPs at the saunas. 

Did you try the gay sex cinemas or booth places like Sexy Rose in Rio or similar in SP? Pauleiro posted great info about cruising places in SP maybe a year ago but I don't have the link to his post. Did you try some of his recommendations? 

Thx for your postings and details. 

yes I was not very confident initially but after the first visit, I became more confident and I wish I was a bit more upfront/confident from my first visit, which had the best quality in terms of guys. I will have a very pond memory of my visit there after christmas and before new years. It was so hot to watch two super sexy guys do things right in front of me and let me touch them while they are doing it...

In Rio, I mostly stayed in Airbnbs and one hotel (I forgot its name, it is not an expensive 5 star hotel, but a large mid range 3-4 star hotel with many rooms). The reception did not even ask me if I was expecting someone when my hire came to the room but luckily I had no safety issues. In SP, I stayed at Canopy by Hilton, and Ibis. Both of them allowed guests without any issues. Canopy had a really nice restaurant and one of the escorts said it was one of the well-known restaurants in the area. He seemed like he wanted me to take him to the restaurant, which I would not have minded if he did his job well but he was just ok so I didn't hire him again. Otherwise, it is a nice restaurant to invite someone you want to spoil without going out of the hotel  

I didn't explore the cruising scene because I had a feeling that I am not into those guys. Hiring online was very reasonably priced and I could always go to interactive shows for some fun so I didn't want to waste my cum or energy on that. Thinking back, I did feel like the guys in SP were a bit older and more diverse in terms of skin tones and looks compared to Rio. Guys in Rio were relatively younger, mostly tanned skin and mostly fit. But my experience in SP interactive shows is very limited...If I go back to Brazil, I will probably spend more time in SP for hiring, although Rio is a lot more fun beyond hiring.  

[Riobard]

Deuce Hundo is Deuce Hundo is a flogged dead Queens Plate horse. Who needs to choke on breaking old news? Every throat has its tool limit. More spread legs, less spreadsheets. 

”Everything in moderation, including moderation.” ~ Wilde

[floridarob]

Regarding the interactivos.... I mentioned this to a friend that is one on occasion, this was his reply:

Keep in mind that these are  interactives for several people, and the intention of the interactives is to make customers interact, not necessarily to have sex with them.

So I told him that people on this board said they have sex with the interactivos and he said:

sometimes, but it's not a rule, and as I said there are a lot of people, it's impossible to have sex with everyone, and when it happens it's, I don't know, 3 minutes each

[young11]

1 hour ago, floridarob said:

Regarding the interactivos.... I mentioned this to a friend that is one on occasion, this was his reply:

Keep in mind that these are  interactives for several people, and the intention of the interactives is to make customers interact, not necessarily to have sex with them.

So I told him that people on this board said they have sex with the interactivos and he said:

sometimes, but it's not a rule, and as I said there are a lot of people, it's impossible to have sex with everyone, and when it happens it's, I don't know, 3 minutes each

that is good to hear, at least they know their job to make customers interactive with each other, I find it quite nice. I also understand that it is not possible to have sex with everyone but except for Henrique, every interactive boy I reached out to did not refuse me, or for that matter, they were interacting with everyone who reached out to them. Of course, I noticed a trend that the boys spend more time with certain people, maybe because they are the boy's type, so you can't spend 30 mins with an interactive but that was not really my intention either and I hope people did not imply that from my reviews. Certainly there is a limit to this scene but I find quite appealing to me at least and certainly an insane value given the small fee we pay. I usually would hire someone during the day and head out to these shows later at night, so that might be a good use of it. In the end, I really applauded the interactive boys because they were doing it non-stop for a while. For example, the guy at the Upgrade club in SP literally topped anyone who came near him and after one hour, no one wanted to be topped by him and just wanted to watch. It was a very interesting scene and you gotta admire the attitude and stamina of these boys....